How is it that Korean jurisprudence has a very poor record of awarding damages in civil lawsuits, yet Dong-guk University wants to sue Yale University for fifty-million dollars because they mistakenly sent a fax that verified Shin Jeong-ah’s bogus degree ?
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Utterly hilarious. I just hope the lawyers for Dung-guk got paid up-front.
“Because of these contradictory messages from Yale, the public wrongly believed that Dongguk had never checked Shin’s degree and had tried to cover this up with forged documents, Dongguk claims.”
No, we thought ’she’ forged the fax.
Besides, it was easy enough for me to find information online that revealed her lies, mainly a list of all the dissertations written by student who have earned the same degree she forged.
Any truth to the rumors that Dong-guk University will get Roy Pearson to represent them?
AOA
“Dongguk University’s reputation was so seriously damaged that it can’t be restored with just an apology.”
but $50 million will restore it’s reputation? that’s funny.
Yeah…keep dreaming about that 50mil, cause that’s as close as you’ll come to getting it!
In all honesty, I would be suing Yale too. Yale first, should have been more careful when they were asked to verify Shin’s credentials, and second, when questioned again, they should have checked to see if THEY had made a mistake, which they had. On top of that, Yale took the easy road and said that they did not send the original fax, when in fact they did, causing even more trouble.
All-in-all, Yale is responsible for a great deal of this mishap. They really needed to be more careful.
As for a $50 million apology, well, isn’t that how it is done?
$50 Mil? What happened? Did Yale agree to clean Dongguk U’s pants and lose them instead?
http://www.signonsandiego.com/.....wread.html
Dongkuk’s reputation was ruined? Where, in the 3rd world?!
They really do live in fantasy land over here don’t they?
There goes my chance for a “Yale” degree.
Personally, I had no idea that Dong-guk’s reputation had been harmed by this. There are other considerations as to the reputation of Dongguk and Yale is not a part of that embarrassment.
You’d have to have a reputation to sully in the first place. The only reputation these degree mills have is for bribery to get tenure, plagiarism, research of the lowest standard and membership-training soju binges involving sexual coercion of female freshmen.
Hey, don’t knock it. Yes, $50 million is a ridiculous, hyperbolic figure. But there is nothing I’d like to see more than Korean universities moving towards international standards in academic ethics. If this farce of a lawsuit gets the ball rolling, I say all the better.
By the way, I love the Korean language for this reasons like this: I know “Dong-guk” probably isn’t really interpreted as “Poop Land,” but until I’m explicitly told otherwise, that’s what I’ll assume.
#7, where is this evidence that Yale made a mistake? My read is that Yale simply apologized to be the “bigger person” in this mess–though it’s not a mess from their POV. They probably don’t give two shits about anything Korean in the grand scheme of things. I’m sure since there are probably records of faxes sent, that the evidence will show the fax was indeed forged.
Do you think Yale goes around accusing people of forgery without cause?
Now that this has a lawsuit slapped to it, I’m sure Koreans will look like even bigger fools, since that data (or lack thereof) can be traced.
#13: “By the way, I love the Korean language for this reasons like this: I know “Dong-guk” probably isn’t really interpreted as “Poop Land,” but until I’m explicitly told otherwise, that’s what I’ll assume.”
Perhaps no one else has replied because it’s too obvious, so I’ll be the asshole and bite.
The dong in Dongguk uses the hanja for “east” and is spelled 동. The Korean word for shit is actually spelled differently — 똥 — and bears no relation to the former.
Thus, the pun would only work half-way in Romanized format, and in any case most shit comes from a southern rather than eastern direction.
On the same subject, I met an art critic for the Village Voice last year in Brooklyn and he told me he had a friend who made a fine living writing the M.A. theses for Korean art students in New York. He listed no less than 5 examples, all involving Koreans.
Now THAT’s pretty poopy!
Thanks, asshole.
#16: You’re very welcome.
Incidentally, the term shit is not always a pejorative in Korea. “Shit pork” is actually a delicacy here.
I’ve heard it tastes very good with piss soju.
Doesn’t shit pork comes from Jeju-do pigs who are fed human shit exclusively in order to give their meat some sort of sweet flavor? Where does piss soju come from?
#18: Probably the fine folks in Andong would be able to answer that question better than I can.
I’ll bet Shin Jonga herself would get a handsome cut of the take for providing “evidence” against Yale.
i think Yale is the one with the reputation problem by forever being associated with dong Guk after this incident
#14. Here is how the thing played out.
Dongguk sent a request to Yale to verify Shin’s credentials. Yale sent a faxt back saying “Yes, it’s all good.” Shin was hired.
Scandle breaks. Dongguk again contacts Yale, Yale denies sending original fax, says it is a fake that Dongguk forged.
Time goes by.
Yale is contacted again. OOPS, yes, indeed, Yale DID send the original fax. So sorry…..
Now, in MY mind, that makes Yale more than a little responsible.
As for the $50 million, come one people. Anyone who knows anything knows that when one is suing, one asks for at least twice what they hope to get…….
Bottom line. Yale f..ked up. Now they can just suck it up and move on….
Now, I would like to ask all of you who are thinking Dongguk is being somewhat rediculuous.
YOU have graduated from Yale. YOU apply for a job. YOUR new employer contacts Yale to verify YOUR credentials. Yale makes a terrible mistake and denies that YOU graduated from their fine, could-never-make-a-mistake university. YOU do NOT get the job. Would YOU sue Yale???
@22 Yes, for $50,000,000.
“Dongguk sent a request to Yale to verify Shin’s credentials. Yale sent a faxt back saying “Yes, it’s all good.” Shin was hired.”
Not quite. They were sent a copy of a forgery, which they fell for. They were never actually asked to verify the degree, Shin had already been hired by that point. They are guilty of saying, “That is my signature.” They never actually stated that she had graduated from Yale. What good is the reputation of a school that doesn’t even bother checking people out before making them Professors? Wait, I work at a place like that…
So even if Yale did make a mistake, I still don’t see where that puts them on the hook for Shin & Dongguk’s dumb-assery. Anyone care to point to any similar case where the plaintiff actually came out winning?
Somewhere, Shin JA is giving a blowjob. And that’s about all there is to this story.
“the fact that a person by her same name did go to and graduate from Yale,”
Unconfirmed rumour from “the other board.”
My how stories evolve.
My guess is they want to settle out of court for an undisclosed amount and flaunt that as a victory and proof of their innocence in the matter.
#24. Yes, Yale was sent a copy of the degree, and a request of verification. Yes, Shin had already been hired. Companies HIRE people all the time on the condition that the information given is complete and accurate. If it is not, the person is fired. That is one of the contingincies behind a “3 month” trial period.
The point is, when Yale received the fake degree AND the request for verification, Yale simply signed the verification form without going to the TROUBLE of actually looking up on their computer whether this individual actually DID go to/graduate from their university.
Then, several years later, Yale LIED about having even received the request for verification, putting the blame back on Dongguk University, saying THEY lied about having sent the letter for verification.
I am thinking that the real sticky wicket here is the lie. Yale screwed up, several times. But it is the lie, and the attempt to put the onus back on Dongguk University, that is the real issue.
I am thinking Dongguk has a pretty good case. Especially since Yale has admitted its guilt through its many apologies.
#29 - Even with Yale’s admission of ‘guilt’, there’s still the little issue of what actual duty they owed to Dongguk that would give rise to some sort of liability. As far as I can see, there’s really nothing there.
“Yes, Yale was sent a copy of the degree, and a request of verification. ”
No, Yale was sent a copy of a forgery claiming to be a letter of verification. They were never asked to verify the degree, nor were they ever shown a “degree.” All they verified was a signature. Not the same thing.
#31,
And Dongguk’s lawyers will need to prove that it has hurt their reputation in the US. The judge, unless he’s Korean American, will think, “Dong Who?” and that will be the end of that. No, I think they want to settle out of court. See my previous post.
Ah. Those crafty Buddhists.
I think they’d settle for a written apology from Yale, signed by the president of the university; they’d frame it and display it at the university’s entrance gate in another claim for extra legitimacy, given their failure to crack the Newsweek Top 100 University rankings.
“Hey Seoul National! The president of Yale never apologized to YOU, sucka!”