This is the kind of sentiment Newsis warned us about last week. In the stridently right-wing Free Zone News, reporter Jeon Gyeong-woong — whose email appropriately enough is enoch@freezonenews.com — gives readers the “Rivers of Blood” treatment in a piece lambasting left-wingers, including the previous administration, for turning a blind eye to the problem of illegal immigration to Korea.
Jeon’s rant starts off, of course, with the murder of the middle school girl in Yangju by an illegal alien:
On March 7, a middle school girl was murdered by an illegal alien in Yangju, Gyeonggi-do. Like in the case of every violent crime committed till now by foreigners, the major dailies and broadcasters are ignoring the story. Netizen rage about this is slowly growing, and the rage is transforming into hatred toward left-wing authorities.
Paradise for Illegal Aliens
Calling Korea a “paradise for illegal immigrants,” Jeon notes that Korean society has changed a lot over the last decade, and one of those changes is the greater number of foreigners living in Korea. Immigration authorities estimate there are 1 million foreigners living in Korea, and of those, about 230,000 are believed to be illegal.
Activists protesting illegal immigration blame left-wing government policy. In particular, the Justice Ministry — citing “Korea’s image abroad” and “improving the living conditions of foreigners” — did away with mandatory fingerprinting of foreigners in June 2003. Since then, foreign crime has climbed 20% per annum, but the arrest rate has decreased.
My favorite part:
In the last five years, the areas around industrial zones near major cities and some parts of Seoul have transformed into foreigner residential districts. In some parts of Gyeonggi-do, public security has worsened to the point of driving down land prices, and in southern industrial zones, you can’t go out at night. And in parts of Seoul, even if foreigners run riot, police dispatched to the scene have to run away.
Good heavens!
Much, much more below.
Jeon also accuses the Roh administration, human rights groups and Korean Confederation of Trade Unions (KCTU) of helping illegal aliens to form a trade union, which later participated in illegal demonstrations against the Korea-US FTA without being punished. He said illegal aliens, calling themselves “migrant workers,” have even formed a TV station — Migrant Workers TV — which receives government subsidies.
Meanwhile, in Itaewon, Guro-gu and parts of Gyeonggi-do, foreigners have formed violent gangs who earn their livings by extorting their compatriots, smuggling drugs, counterfeiting documents and performing illegal foreign currency transactions. Some illegal migrants even seduce Korean women in order to obtain Korean citizenship. They seduce young Korean women by lying about their nationalities and education, and even use sexual violence.
Some illegal aliens use Koreans as drug mules.
According to Jeon, illegal migrants have no fear of committing crimes because religious and civic groups will speak for them. For instance, in 2005, police arrested the chairman of the migrant workers’ union. In response, the KCTU forcefully occupied the office of the head of the Korea Human Rights Commission to conduct a long-term hunger strike. The migrant union head, meanwhile, got his lip scratched while he was resisting arrest, and sued the state for 10 million won. After one year, he was freed.
Jeon also said illegal aliens needn’t fear even if they are deported, since regions and nations like (Southeast) Asia, Africa and China don’t have proper family registry laws. Illegals can simply change their name or passports and reenter Korea.
At the same time, the power of immigration authorities to crack down on illegal aliens is being eroded by civic groups advocating “human rights.” For instance, the Korea Human Rights Commission advised that immigration officials not carry any other equipment other than handcuffs, even when arresting illegal aliens armed with blunt weapons. Because of this, it’s said that of the only 200 Immigration Bureau officers charged with rounding up illegal aliens, 10% are in the hospital at any given time.
Immigration authorities constantly ask for more enforcement personnel, but in vain, and the media refuses to listen to their plight. On the contrary, a reporter with a particular media company wrote a malicious story about an immigration officer who had arrested an illegal migrant who was resisting arrest. Because of the piece, the officer had a tough time for a while, and nobody would listen to his side of the story.
Foreign Laborers Collude to Steal Korean Jobs
Jeon notes that most Koreans living in the hearts of major cities aren’t affected by the illegal immigration problem. But if you look, you’ll see how serious it is. In fact, the illegal immigration issue spans from threatening the livelihoods of society’s underdogs to becoming a threat to national security.
The 3,000 members of the Citizens Alliance for Measures Against Foreign Laborers have ceaselessly documented incidents involving illegal aliens. In particular, they note that most foreign laborers in Korea are unskilled workers from underdeveloped countries who are directly hurting Korea’s social underdogs. Foreign laborers first head to Korean construction sites and small-scale manufacturers for employment, where they are said to work harder and for less money than Koreans. After time, if they get recognition from the business owner, they introduce their friends for employment.
Even after this, they appear to work hard. What business owner would refuse foreign workers who work hard, listen, and receive less salary? Eventually, the business owner switches over entirely to foreign workers.
Once they’ve gotten all their friends hired, however, the foreign workers make a 180-degree turn. Comparing their salaries with those of other companies, they begin work slowdowns. If the boss doesn’t give into their demands, they take off as a group in the middle of the night. Ultimately, the business owner is forced to give them the same wages they were paying their Korean workers.
According to Jeon, countless Korean workers and businessmen have been hurt by this tactic, but there is nowhere they can turn for redress. They can tell the Labor Ministry if an industrial trainee runs off, but illegal aliens use human rights centers and religious groups to threaten business owners with prosecution. Business owners are fined 10 million won if they are caught hiring illegal aliens, but illegal aliens aren’t punished.
Meanwhile, the Korean laborers who have lost their jobs to illegal aliens find it difficult to find new jobs, since it’s commonly believed that they cost more than foreigners.
Foreigners, the Hole in National Security
Then there are the other foreigners, says Jeon. The ones who enter Korea on tourist visas to do business. English speaking ones from former British colonies in Southwest Asia and Africa first head to English hagwon.
Native speaker English teachers make an average of 4 million won a month. Because you can get a degree forged for about 200,000—300,000 won, they can get a job anywhere. And because they (i.e., the black folk) tend to be popular with Korean women, they can get along “just like it was Harlem” (emphasis mine). After a few years, they take the money they’ve earned to start small businesses.
In the case of Chinese, they find work in the skyrocketing number of Chinese hagwon. They make less than English teachers, but it’s still enough to live on.
Most run small-scale trading companies, but some run illegal businesses, such as hawala money transfer businesses, drug smuggling and document forging. Violent gangs eventually get involved in these businesses, which in turn often leads to bigger crimes.
These activities are having an impact on national security. If you go to the restaurants near the Ministry of Defense in Yongsan, you’ll notice that many of the restaurant employees are from China. Some people seem to think that since they are older women, there’s not much of a problem, but if one remembers that China uses all of its overseas nationals to obtain intelligence, it’s impossible to know how many secrets are slipping out.
It’s easy to understand, said Jeon, if you think back on how a Chinese restaurant in Yeouido frequented by lawmakers and high officials turned out to be a safe house for Chinese intelligence agents.
Southwest Asians and Africans are also a problem. Koreans think Korea is safe from terrorism, but they’d be wrong — in 2003, the CIA informed the Korean National Intelligence Service (NIS) that an Al-Qaeda operative had visited Korea in the late 1990s. In particular, because Koreans tend to believe that all white folk come from the West and terrorists are from Southwest Asia, Korea is completely defenseless against white terrorist organizations like the Chechens.
Despite this, Korea’s media, government, civic groups and intellectuals are excessively lenient to foreigners. In particular, many take the side of Joseon-jok (ethnic Koreans from China), citing shared ethnicity, and people from Asia and Africa, calling them poor people who have come from underdeveloped nations far away to make money. Other figures protect foreigners by claiming that the idea of “ethnic homogeneity” is a symbol of national isolation and exclusivity, and that Korea must become a multi-racial nation.
Examples of Failure from Overseas
Jeon asks, however, would it be such a great thing for Korea to unconditionally accept foreigners, as they claim? Some 25 years ago, there were two regions adopting a similar policy of importing foreigners. Those would be the United States and Europe, namely France.
In the case of the United States, the institution people find most frightening is not the Pentagon, CIA or FBI, but the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) and Citizenship and Immigration Services (CIS). In a particularly charming turn of phrase, Jeon says the CIS is to illegal aliens what the spirit that takes departed souls to the underworld is to the population at large. It’s said that every years, 8—9% of the US population is either entering the country or leaving. This flow of foreigners in and out of the country, however, is strictly managed by CIS.
America’s favorite immigrants are high-tech workers and investors. The US government gives them benefits equal to those it gives its own citizens. On the other hand, the US isn’t particularly welcoming to unskilled laborers. Through this policy, the US is able to maintain its top-class industrial level and share its fruits with the entire society.
France and Europe, on the other hand, pursued a different immigration policy, and hence their societies are now undergoing great transformation. These nations accepted many Southwest Asian and African immigrants in the early 80s under the so-called “tolerance” policy. They believed immigrants would fill-up the labor shortages affecting a Europe that was growing older.
The result, however, was completely different from what they expected.
Countries like France and Austria, which have better social welfare systems than the United States, extended foreign laborers the same social benefits as its own citizens. Foreign laborers, however, only took advantage of these benefits; rarely did they work hard. They also had little zeal for education. Moreover, they refused to assimilate with the host society, citing ethnic and religious reasons, and in some instances, they are forcing their religion on existing social constituents.
One generation later, and now the word “Eurabia” (”Europe” and “Arabia”) is going around Europe. This is because foreign laborers have brought all their family from home, driving Europe’s foreign population past 10%. The concerns over these transformations are more serious in nations that stress social welfare and human rights.
The result is that social conflict is insecurity is growing progressively worse. Neighborhoods where foreign laborers live have become slums, while skinheads and racists grow in number. Representative of this are the riots that started in France and spread throughout Europe and the election in France of President Nicolas Sarkozy. Since then, immigration laws have been growing tougher.
The Failure of the Left’s Attempt to Follow Europe
We can learn a lot from these overseas examples, says Jeon. Looking to these instances, the Japanese instituted from late last year a fingerprinting system. The Japanese were more concerned about the rise in crime that about the issue of racism. In particular, the Japanese were greatly troubled by Chinese and Joseon-jok who were committing crimes using forged Korean passports.
On the other hand, Korea has spent the last several years mimicking the French by accepting any and all foreigners. Because Korea lacks a proper verification system, even guys like Canadian pedophile Christopher Paul Neil, who was wanted by Interpol, could come to Korea and operate.
People point out that the biggest problem behind this is the media’s and leftist civic groups’ excessively lenient view of foreigners. In particular, they consider the media’s and civic groups’ worship of white society and their sympathy for foreigners from underdeveloped Asian and African nations to be serious mistakes.
These leftist groups, however, are not admitting their mistakes, says Jeon. Despite citizen anger at violent crimes like the killing of the girl in Yangju, some leftist media has been running columns like “Isn’t it natural for foreigner crimes to increase along with the increase in the foreigner population?” and “Foreigners commit fewer crimes than Koreans.”
Jeon concludes:
The Lee Myung-bak government recently said, “The foundation of a developed nation is establishing legal order.” Citizens are interested to see where the Lee administration’s intention will be applied to foreigners without discrimination, too.
Marmot’s Note: While I don’t expect the mainstream conservative press to take as strident a tone as you see above, I do expect under LMB more and more pieces like this Dong-A Ilbo story from last week. Coincidentally, I don’t disagree completely with such sentiment — I’m not a fan of large-scale immigration, illegal or otherwise. But if you’re going to argue against immigration, especially with the way the numbers play out in Korea, you have to stay away from crime (unless you can demonstrate that foreigners are especially prone to violence) and focus more on the debatable wisdom of importing foreigners in numbers so large that it hinders assimilation, creating social divisions.*
*At 1 million foreigners, a mere 2% of the total population, of which only 20% is illegal, one might also question whether we’ve reached the point at which “rivers of blood” is a clear and present danger. Sure, the development of ghettos like Ansan and Haebangchon isn’t good, but really, how difficult would it be to send in the karcher, so to speak? It’s not like Seoul is ringed by suburbs full of angry immigrants prepared to make the place look like Gaza.


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As a former illegal immigrant in SK myself, I just have to say “meh” to this whole article. Questionable inferences drawn from questionable facts… I especially enjoyed the part about English teachers making an average of 4 million nowadays. I had no idea that enough English teachers taught private classes for enough hours a month to push that average up so high.
The whole article is predictably Lou Dobbs-ish…
hoo boy!
If he had just posted this on an internet forum, he’d be called a troll. I think our resident trolls are going to be eating this up.
The underlying assumption throughout this whole piece is that foreigners are different from Koreans. That foreigner crime is somehow worse than Korean crime. A good way to challenge this is to state one fact and ask one question.
The fact is this: Koreans and foreigners both commit crimes, the same crimes.
The question is this: Would you prefer that all crimes in Korea only be committed by Koreans to Koreans?
If a Korean teacher regularly travels to Thailand to fiddle with little boys, is that somehow better than Christopher Paul Neil? And if a Korean factory worker rapes and kills school girls, is that somehow better than if a Filipino factory worker did it?
I don’t actually know what the consensus would be if you asked 100 Korean people those questions without getting killed first, but the point is that horrible crimes won’t go away when the foreigners do.
What a bunch of BS, foreigner crime is rising but at a slower rate than the foreigner population and its still lower than the Korean crime rate.
And 4 million being the average pay for hagwon teachers? WTF?
Quite a long translation. Thanks for all the work.
There is really so much tripe in the article it is impossable to make much of a comment. Think I’ll just e-mail enoch when I have settled down.
Do many Koreans buy into this rediculous “journalism” ?
4 Million a month Hahahahaha!
Stealing jobs from real Koreans you say? Aren’t these the “3D” (Dangerous, Dirty and Demeaning(?)) jobs no Korean in his right mind would do? Inhaling all those glass particles making LCD screens down in Chonan and such?
Proof that extreme rightists are just as deranged (not to mention developmentally challenged) as their overzealous counterparts on the other end of the political spectrum. Fortunately, I reckon that most Koreans - as would be the case in the United States, Canada, Japan, Britain, and other normal societies - occupy a space somewhat closer to the middle.
“On March 7, a middle school girl was murdered by an illegal alien in Yangju, Gyeonggi-do.”
Apparently true. On the other hand, it would appear that the majority of murders in Korea - some of them just as shocking and disturbing as the aforementioned example - are committed by Koreans, against fellow Koreans.
“Like in the case of every violent crime committed till now by foreigners, the major dailies and broadcasters are ignoring the story.”
I only wish this were the case.
“Meanwhile, in Itaewon, Guro-gu and parts of Gyeonggi-do, foreigners have formed violent gangs who earn their livings by extorting their compatriots, smuggling drugs, counterfeiting documents and performing illegal foreign currency transactions.”
Kind of makes one nostalgic for the good old days when local crooks had a monopoly on such activities in Korea.
You can tell its fluffed up with alot of horse shit numbers.
Of course, if you’d like to listen to the column in its original English:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=Ybb4oxL-9Ek
One thing Jeon does not address is the issue of ethnically-Korean non-Koreans in Korean society. Considering the number of joseonjok and koryoin, as well as European and North American gyopo, who live here, the immigrant population has a lot of Korean blood in it.
I’d like to know Jeon’s position: does he think these people represent something different from their non-ethnically-Korean compatriots?
Lions and tigers and bears, oh my!
Well, he does mention the joseon-jok, and not in a positive way. As for gyopo from Western nations, I don’t think he really cares. Jeon’s beef is with migrants from developing nations, including China. In fact, no where does he mention Western foreigners.
One of the few consistencies I’ve seen in all the countries I’ve lived in, including my native USA, is that when a society faces internal problems, they blame the immigrants. I realize this is a very general, blanket statement, and a gross over-simplification as well. But it’s one I’ll stand by.
#12,
Yes, inner problems breed xenophobia. Sometimes, it’s done deliberately so, an attempt to divert public attention to outside threats, sometimes real but mostly imagined, by those responsible to the inner problems.
The tide cannot be stopped now, and if the shoes were on my feet, I wouldn’t let a little thing like legality keep me from escaping extreme crime, drugs, and poverty for the hope of a better life my family and myself.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/n.....tees_N.htm
Can you honestly say you wouldn’t do the same things if by the simple twist of fate you happened to be born into the circumstances faced by these people?
#14 Touche.
I thought it was implied that the native English speakers who got 4 million won a month from their jobs on forged diplomas and “got around like it was Harlem” were Western. Even worse, these degenerates are taking their money and *gasp* opening small businesses!
Utterly hilarious.
“Netizen rage about this is slowly growing”
Wow. It must be serious.
“One of the few consistencies I’ve seen in all the countries I’ve lived in, including my native USA, is that when a society faces internal problems, they blame the immigrants. I realize this is a very general, blanket statement, and a gross over-simplification as well. But it’s one I’ll stand by.”
I think that’s a historically accurate observation. In Arizona, where subprime crisis hit the economy horribly, people are blaming illegal immigrants for the economic decline (when the legislation hostile to illegal immigrant that they passed has severely decreased the state’s spending power as well as workforce)
Chinese Americans during the early 20th century, Irish Ameicans during the “Know-Nothing” era, Jews everywhere between Diaspora and WWII… numerous examples of immigrants becoming the scapegoat.
the expat wont be happy until korea becomes just like the states. that is, until korea allows illegal immigrants to overtake their country, the exee wont be satisfied. you see, he doesn’t really believe in immigration. he doesn’t live colored blind. he simply wants korea to be overtaken by illegals because the same thing is happening to his country.
korea better wise up to the expat game. koreans need to think long and hard about who they want as immigrants. to me, these things are a no brainer:
1. no chinese- you can’t trust a chinaman in your midst since he remains loyal to his country. the chinaman could represent the 5th column. no chinese immigrants.
2. vietnam, philipines, mongolia- YES! the koreans need to relax about the filipino murder. there should be open immigration from these countries since these folks can be intergrated into korean society. a presdent ramos chang-ook one day? wonderful!
3. no muslims- you know why!
4. westerners- any westerner who wants to becomes a korean should be allowed to do so as long as he can pass a background check.
5. indians, pakis, bangladeshis- NO!
6. africans- ? i can’t see many africans wanting to go to korea.
korea needs to have a sensible immigration policy so that it can avoid america’s fate. don’t let the expat dictate policy here. keep his true intentions in mind.
“korea needs to have a sensible immigration policy”
I’m not sure race/religion-based immigration policy is anything even resembling ’sensible’…
The assumption that U.S. style immigration policy would work in Korea is a folly, however. Korea is, if not racially homogeneous society, at least culturally homogeneous society - at least until recently, cultures that are significantly different have not existed in the country in significant numbers. Even now, the different cultures (even when clumped up as one statistical category) stands at 1~2% - significantly different from an inherently multicultural nations like United States.
‘I’m not sure race/religion-based immigration policy is anything even resembling ’sensible’…’
alright but what would be sensible immigration policy for korea? you don’t think korea should be thinking about who could one day blend into korean society? it would be a huge mistake to follow the same road as the euros and americans. korea most definately needs to think about the race and religion of those who wish to call korea home. korea needs immigrants. they need to base policy on what’s best for korea and not what’s best for the expat.
“you don’t think korea should be thinking about who could one day blend into korean society?”
Agreed.
“they need to base policy on what’s best for korea and not what’s best for the expat.”
Agreed, though I’m not so sure where the expat community came into this discussion, seeing as how majority of them fall more into the category of guest workers than immigrants. (no intention of permanent residency)
“korea most definately needs to think about the race and religion of those who wish to call korea home.”
Now here’s the logical link that I don’t get. “race” and “religion” does not necessarily factor into a person’s ability to adapt to Korean culture. South Korea is religiously diverse country, and if I’m not mistaken, Islam is part of the religious population in the country. In addition, race-based distinction in immigration policy is, frankly speaking, frightening. At a point in South Korea’s history where racism is declining at a rapid rate, such policy would be a huge leap backwards into late 19th century U.S.
So wait a second here…. Are you actually claiming that the Chinese Exclusion Act was a bad thing? I think a few of the people around who’ve been throwing around the term ‘Demographic Suicide’ might disagree with ya.
Jeon’s and Pawi’s opinions are in the minority in Korea.
Overwhelming Koreans still sympathize with 3-D workers illegal or legal doesn’t matter. Too much sympathy that I think it’s also bad in another way. 3-D workers have become nothing objects of sympathy. “oh you poor poor thing”.
What Korea needs is a balanced immigration policy that treat them as equals, not 3-D workers nor objects to sympathize.
he simply wants korea to be overtaken by illegals because the same thing is happening to his country.
Where do you get this?
“1. no chinese- you can’t trust a chinaman in your midst since he remains loyal to his country. the chinaman could represent the 5th column. no chinese immigrants.”
You do realize that Koreans are ethnically a variety of Chinese/Mongol tribes that formed a tiny appendix off of the large intestine of China. If Korea keeps claiming 5000 years of history, then China will have every right to take the credit for most of the accomplishments. Sorry, just saying what the rest of the world already thinks. However being a hermit for soo long can cause xenophobia/dementia in an entire culture.
I should also add that how would you feel as a Korean pawi if a Chinese person posted in regards to Koreans living in China
“1. no Koreans- you can’t trust a Korean in your midst since he remains loyal to his country. the Korean could represent the 5th column. no Korean immigrants.”
see, it works both ways
Is there a bigger hypocrite in this forum that Pawi, who lectures “the expat” on racism and then repeatedly uses the racial pejorative “Chinaman” in making negative blanket generalizations about an entire ethnicity?
Pawi, you’re such a sad clown.
“I think the preferred nomenclature is Asian American.”
Pawi, I’ll tell you what. Just for you, next time we have our Expat Cabal meeting, I’ll table a motion calling on us to stop forcing the Korean government to adopt mistaken immigration policies. And depending on how I feel that day, I might even include an article that would allow the government to rigorously enforce immigration law.
Man-bear-pig!
Wow… there are no words.
Well there are: What a fucking piece of shit extremist retard.
There might be more.
Nope. He was referring to Africans, most likely the Nigerians.
“You do realize that Koreans are ethnically a variety of Chinese/Mongol tribes that formed a tiny appendix off of the large intestine of China. If Korea keeps claiming 5000 years of history, then China will have every right to take the credit for most of the accomplishments.”
This is a shitty argument.
“next time we have our Expat Cabal meeting”
Hey, it was supposed to be a secret!
Welp, we told them, now we’re going to have to kill them.
But before we do, I’d like to say that I think if you base the Korean immigration policies on who will be able to blend in with Korean society you’ll end up with a big fat zero. Koreans have problems accepting full-blooded Koreans who have lived abroad too long. Koreans have problems accepting other Koreans with more than three syllables in their names. Koreans have problems accepting other Koreans who want to have a different hair cut in high school. Koreans have a lot of problems with anyone that can remotely be classified as different.
Right now, the only long-term immigration policy that Korea has is “Marry one of us, and live with scorn and derision for both of you for the rest of your life.” That, quite frankly, sucks, and I’m going to pass on it.
And by the way, Pawi, you can’t talk about both expats and immigrants as if they were the same group. By definition, expats are people with another nationality living outside their own country wit no intention of immigrating, while immigrants would be people who want to come and live in Korea forever. The two groups are, fundamentally, separate and will always be so because that’s how they are defined. If an expat marries a Korean and applies for resident status he is no longer an expat.
#19 Pawi.
1. Fifth Column, not Robert Kim, surely!
#30, Robert. Sign me up for the cabal meeting, I’ll bring the Korean baby-head chalices to drink sweet, pure, Han blood from.
#33 — Ah, I see. I wasn’t reading that paragraph in conjunction with the one above it. I think the Harlem reference especially threw me — I had no idea there were that many bona-fide Africans in Harlem.
pawikirogi, you have not bothered me so much on this blog until i read your first comment within this post.
Have you forgotten that Turkey sent the second largest contingent of troops to Korea during the Korean war? I can’t find the source, but I remember reading that there are 20,000 Korean believers of Islam, in Korea.
You say “3. no muslims- you know why!”
I really don’t know why, and this is the last time i respond to anything you write.
koreans cannot allow muslims to be immigrants to korea. the muslims are the world’s problem child and korea needs to do whatever it takes to avoid hosting large numbers of them. the muslim cannot adopt to korean society nor will he want to. the koreans believe in open prostitution. they drink like fish. they eat mounds of pork. the muslim cannot intergrate into such a society and like i said, he won’t want to. he’ll just wait; he’ll just wait to the numbers are right, and then he’ll start to impose his culture onto koreans threatening violence if he doesn’t get his way (9 out of 11 say so). that’s happening in europe as we speak. that’s happening here though religion is not the issue and the muslims are not the conquistadors.
koreans cannot allow large numbers of muslims into korea.
NO!
‘I’ll bring the Korean baby-head chalices to drink sweet, pure, Han blood from.’ aaronm
you’d be fun to have a drink with. btw, my voice is extremely deep.
And because they (i.e., the black folk) tend to be popular with Korean women, they can get along “just like it was Harlem”.
But this is not Harlem, and so as Jeon Gyeong-woong would have it, people should not be getting along.
‘You do realize that Koreans are ethnically a variety of Chinese/Mongol tribes that formed a tiny appendix off of the large intestine of China.’ acroplis
this is where you lost my sense of fair play. according to your logic, the japanese had a large movement from the bowels of korea.
wow, now i have even more pride! thanks acrap! you sure are swell.
lastly, ‘chinaman’ is not a pejoritive word here in the states. sonagi is chinese, so i understand her anger.
Pawi, have you ever taken a stroll up the hill in Itaewon?
#39 Most younger Koreans don’t care who died for their country. Some do, but very, very few. They just pull out the victim card and expect to get everything they want.
It seems that they actually think the world owed it to them because they were victims.
They don’t care about all the people that died, the families destroyed, etc…
You can bet if an American or someone else said the things pawikigori and Koreans like him say, there would be victim cards a flyin.
Pawi,
Anytime you are in Jakarta, mate, just say the word.
Cheers
Burp.
@#42:
“Chinaman” is certainly a pejorative term in the US; since you are American and your first language is English, you know that. Lest you continue to play dumb as a cover for your prejudice, check out any dictionary or even Wikipedia.
Learn the wisdom of this Chinese proverb, Pawi:
掩耳盗铃
Plugging one’s ears while stealing a bell.
“lastly, ‘chinaman’ is not a pejoritive word here in the states.” - pawi
Actually, it almost certainly is considered pejoritive to most Chinese Americans, or to other Asian Americans who have had the pleasure of being on the receiving end of the expression.
So is the term “paki” which you also felt a need to use in #19.
Your blanket - and, it should go without saying, often incorrect - use of the term “expat” doesn’t bother me. Keep it up. Just makes you like an even bigger idiot.
“lastly, ‘chinaman’ is not a pejoritive word here in the states. sonagi is chinese, so i understand her anger.”
These two statements are as exactly as truthful as anything pawi has ever written here. This is the level we’re talking about here, folks.
“Marry one of us, and live with scorn and derision for both of you for the rest of your life.”
How many here living in scorn and derision in Korea? Hands up.
I’m living in dorn and scarision. I think it’s underrated.
I note the lack of any comment about getting cheap labor from “their own”. If labor is needed in the
ROK why not go all out with an official govt policy to encourage the reception of ethnic Koreans from China? Coordinate it quietly with the Chinese in their big new Seoul embassy.
Of course this is a rhetorical question on my part, I think I I know the answer as to “why not”. Still if the ROK needs labor, the old saying applies: “charity starts at home…”
Personally, I’ve found most people are the same, regardless of “culture”.
However, the idea that those who violate the law should be rewarded is asinine at best. It might be considered treasonous.
While I don’t know the law in Korea, in the US it is treason to use force to hinder execution of a law. 18 USC Chapter 115.
Thugs and gangsters who invade a country in violation of the Laws of War and terrorize civilians legally present should be given their choice of wood (Ponderosa Pine or Douglas Fir) for their last government benefit, a scaffold. After a fair trial, of course…
YMMV. Those in the military who operate under orders and obey the Laws of War are exempt; but then, some folks apparently thing the distinction is too subtle. To them I merely offer the opportunity to do more research on their own (so as to stop acting like they have no family).
about ten years ago, i decided to take a course at the local community college. my prof was a chinese man who announced to the class that the word ‘chinaman’ was no longer pejoritive. that’s why i use the word.
and slim, i think you need to go back to that classical chinese! lol
lastly, congrats to hyundai for finally making into the top ten of consumer report. dram man, you say what?
Chinaman IS pejorative, hand sown. Sonagi is a white gal from Michigan.
What was your case, again?
Pawi, you sometimes crack me up.
In all seriousness, is Pawi for real, or is he really using the clever-imitation-as-mocking approach? Something like Stephen Colbert’s “The Colbert Report”?
#53 - Actually, only people who owe allegiance to a country can commit treason against it, which pretty well excludes foreign-born terrorists, unless they’ve been naturalized.
typo: hand sown > hands down
So one ethnic Chinese man declares that using the word “Chinaman” is okay, and f*ck the millions of ethnic Chinese who find the term offensive. Pawi, I am beginning to enjoy the comic relief you provide to this forum.
Almost as amusing is your ASSumption that I must be ethnic Chinese since I read Chinese characters, and ironic, too, given your indignation over my belief that you were raised in a Korean-speaking home.
And as for your knowledge of classical Chinese,
서당개 삼 년에 풍월 읊는다
:b
#60,
No only that, it was a rather pathetic appeal to authority. A college professor 10 years ago. Pshaw. (besides, I get the feeling that 10 years ago Pawi’s voice hadn’t even begun changing yet).
#57,
Pawi has long proven himself/herself to be a troll. We just play along.
yeah, i know you’re not chinese. i was just pretending just like you pretend you don’t understand my points when you actually do. and don’t bother telling me you never do that cuase i’m old enough to know that you do.
someguyinkorea, i’m thinking about excommunicating you. just a warning.
and when did i say i knew anything about classical chinese? don’t think i ever have.
Koreans are rejecting many parts of their own culture, not because of outside influences, simply because their culture does not suit them or appeal to their better senses. Korea is trying to fit into Korean culture, but as the old die off and the young remain, better buckle up pawi, because times are a changing, with or without you
‘…better buckle up pawi, because times are a changing, with or without you.’
wow, how did you guess that? you sure are swell. thanks for the input. your stunning and magnificent observation reveals your true abiltites. keep up the good work!
your friend
pawi
btw, if al of you are sooooooo offended that i use the word ‘chinaman’, i’ll stop using it. however, you’re making a mountain out of a mole hill!
sonagi, you use the communist inspired characters. this makes me suspicious of you.
I’ve not been offended by your use of that word but I am not Chinese. If one Chinese individual says it is offensive then it is offensive. I will not say what is offensive to you and you would be wrong to decide what I am offended by.
Amazing! Even I could figure this out.
I think the idea of a clueless, dishonest, backward asshole using chinaman freely is perfectly fine. Let the quality of the language and the speaker match.
well slim, i wasn’t so clueless when i sent on that wild chinese goose chase, was i?
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