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	<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/14/an-olympian-struggle/#comment-142779</link>
		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#35 - Of course most posters on here can tell that oppressed minority/occupied country X has similarities to oppressed minority/occupied country Y.  Heck, you could point out obvious similarities between Tibet, the Native American Nations, Ireland...  well, the list goes on and on, really.  And yes, China is aggressively assimilationist towards its minorities.  So how do the "waygook" articles you cited 'get it', where the posters here don't, exactly?  I mean, if you're trying to argue that it's absurd that someone would condemn the occupation of Tibet on the one hand, while pointing out the good things about the historical occupation of Korea on the other, I guess I can agree with that...  But I haven't seen the usual "the Japanese brought the Koreans running water, roads, and longer life expectancy" crew in this thread making much noise about Tibet...  

But to claim that Koreans don't "get the same sympathy" kind of overlooks a couple of things:
A) Korea hasn't been occupied for half a century...  most "waygooks" probably aren't even particularly aware that it ever was occupied...  So apples and oranges, really...
B) "Waygooks" are actually allowed to hold a variety of beliefs and opinions.  If you don't find the group you're with particularly responsive to your tales of woe, then maybe you should look elsewhere for validation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#35 - Of course most posters on here can tell that oppressed minority/occupied country X has similarities to oppressed minority/occupied country Y.  Heck, you could point out obvious similarities between Tibet, the Native American Nations, Ireland&#8230;  well, the list goes on and on, really.  And yes, China is aggressively assimilationist towards its minorities.  So how do the &#8220;waygook&#8221; articles you cited &#8216;get it&#8217;, where the posters here don&#8217;t, exactly?  I mean, if you&#8217;re trying to argue that it&#8217;s absurd that someone would condemn the occupation of Tibet on the one hand, while pointing out the good things about the historical occupation of Korea on the other, I guess I can agree with that&#8230;  But I haven&#8217;t seen the usual &#8220;the Japanese brought the Koreans running water, roads, and longer life expectancy&#8221; crew in this thread making much noise about Tibet&#8230;  </p>
<p>But to claim that Koreans don&#8217;t &#8220;get the same sympathy&#8221; kind of overlooks a couple of things:<br />
A) Korea hasn&#8217;t been occupied for half a century&#8230;  most &#8220;waygooks&#8221; probably aren&#8217;t even particularly aware that it ever was occupied&#8230;  So apples and oranges, really&#8230;<br />
B) &#8220;Waygooks&#8221; are actually allowed to hold a variety of beliefs and opinions.  If you don&#8217;t find the group you&#8217;re with particularly responsive to your tales of woe, then maybe you should look elsewhere for validation.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/14/an-olympian-struggle/#comment-142700</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:01:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;‘the chinese are destroying tibet’s culture! it’s genocide!’ exclaimed the expat

‘the japanese tried to do the same thing to us.’ korean to same expat

‘SHUT UP! THEY GAVE YOU SCHOOLS AND MODERN MEDICINE!’ he replied&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Which "expat" commenter are you paraphrasing or are you hearing voices again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>‘the chinese are destroying tibet’s culture! it’s genocide!’ exclaimed the expat</p>
<p>‘the japanese tried to do the same thing to us.’ korean to same expat</p>
<p>‘SHUT UP! THEY GAVE YOU SCHOOLS AND MODERN MEDICINE!’ he replied</p></blockquote>
<p>Which &#8220;expat&#8221; commenter are you paraphrasing or are you hearing voices again?</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/14/an-olympian-struggle/#comment-142682</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I actually have to agree w/pawi here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I actually have to agree w/pawi here.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'(but perhaps not intentional) effort to milk modern-day sympathy from past wrongs.'

pointing out your average expat's hypocrisy ain't trying to look for sympathy, slim. but of course, you'd focus on the wrong angle. the right angle would expose your contradictions. 

'the chinese are destroying tibet's culture! it's genocide!' exclaimed the expat

'the japanese tried to do the same thing to us.' korean to same expat

'SHUT UP! THEY GAVE YOU SCHOOLS AND MODERN MEDICINE!' he replied</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;(but perhaps not intentional) effort to milk modern-day sympathy from past wrongs.&#8217;</p>
<p>pointing out your average expat&#8217;s hypocrisy ain&#8217;t trying to look for sympathy, slim. but of course, you&#8217;d focus on the wrong angle. the right angle would expose your contradictions. </p>
<p>&#8216;the chinese are destroying tibet&#8217;s culture! it&#8217;s genocide!&#8217; exclaimed the expat</p>
<p>&#8216;the japanese tried to do the same thing to us.&#8217; korean to same expat</p>
<p>&#8216;SHUT UP! THEY GAVE YOU SCHOOLS AND MODERN MEDICINE!&#8217; he replied</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/14/an-olympian-struggle/#comment-142663</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:31:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nah, wasn't looking for sympathy.  Understanding perhaps?  Most posters here can't even see the connection, let alone sympathize.

I've found it hard to talk about issues of colonialism with people who are from a country that don't have a history of being on the other (oppressed) side of colonialism.  Me?  I'm one generation removed.  My dad knows Japanese and was 6 years old when they were evicted from the peninsula.  My eldest uncle was 9.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nah, wasn&#8217;t looking for sympathy.  Understanding perhaps?  Most posters here can&#8217;t even see the connection, let alone sympathize.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve found it hard to talk about issues of colonialism with people who are from a country that don&#8217;t have a history of being on the other (oppressed) side of colonialism.  Me?  I&#8217;m one generation removed.  My dad knows Japanese and was 6 years old when they were evicted from the peninsula.  My eldest uncle was 9.</p>
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		<title>By: slim</title>
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		<dc:creator>slim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Proof that not all waegooks are clueless.

First, prove that any are clueless on this thread. 

Sonagi and others merely demonstrated the inaptness of your banal "mulligan" remark and the apparent (but perhaps not intentional) effort to milk modern-day sympathy from past wrongs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Proof that not all waegooks are clueless.</p>
<p>First, prove that any are clueless on this thread. </p>
<p>Sonagi and others merely demonstrated the inaptness of your banal &#8220;mulligan&#8221; remark and the apparent (but perhaps not intentional) effort to milk modern-day sympathy from past wrongs.</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/14/an-olympian-struggle/#comment-142652</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 16:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/17/opinion/edbowring.php

Another waegook article from someone that just get's it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/03/17/opinion/edbowring.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/20.....owring.php</a></p>
<p>Another waegook article from someone that just get&#8217;s it.</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/14/an-olympian-struggle/#comment-142647</link>
		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay,

Finally able to respond now.  Found an interesting article that outlines my thoughts well.  Written by a waegook named Peter Schurmann.

http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=a6de59e74e5c612b2e8089c0375e34c5

"Letter From Seoul: Tibet Protests Recall Korea’s Independence Movement"

Some quotes:

" The winds blowing in from China across the Korean peninsula carry with them not just the annual arrival of yellow dust storms, but also news of violent protests in Tibet."

"I am standing outside a memorial to Korea’s own independence movement against Japanese rule in 1919, located just outside the city of Andong, which means Eastern Peace. I can’t help but compare it to Tibet’s struggle against China. The similarities are striking."

"It is a struggle that parallels with the one that occurred here in Korea a hundred years ago when Japan hailed the annexation of the country as a return to its ancient empire. Like China, Japan held out the promise of modernity to a country and culture it saw as hopelessly backward. In the hyper-modern South Korea of today, one cannot help but see how deeply Koreans cherish both their independence and their culture."

Proof that not all waegooks are clueless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay,</p>
<p>Finally able to respond now.  Found an interesting article that outlines my thoughts well.  Written by a waegook named Peter Schurmann.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=a6de59e74e5c612b2e8089c0375e34c5" rel="nofollow">http://news.ncmonline.com/news.....c0375e34c5</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Letter From Seoul: Tibet Protests Recall Korea’s Independence Movement&#8221;</p>
<p>Some quotes:</p>
<p>&#8221; The winds blowing in from China across the Korean peninsula carry with them not just the annual arrival of yellow dust storms, but also news of violent protests in Tibet.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;I am standing outside a memorial to Korea’s own independence movement against Japanese rule in 1919, located just outside the city of Andong, which means Eastern Peace. I can’t help but compare it to Tibet’s struggle against China. The similarities are striking.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;It is a struggle that parallels with the one that occurred here in Korea a hundred years ago when Japan hailed the annexation of the country as a return to its ancient empire. Like China, Japan held out the promise of modernity to a country and culture it saw as hopelessly backward. In the hyper-modern South Korea of today, one cannot help but see how deeply Koreans cherish both their independence and their culture.&#8221;</p>
<p>Proof that not all waegooks are clueless.</p>
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		<title>By: Janus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Janus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, MK Goode</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, MK Goode</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
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		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 17:33:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23, you might be mixing up cm and cmm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23, you might be mixing up cm and cmm.</p>
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