Comments on: This could be a long semester http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 19 Jul 2008 17:56:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-142175 Sperwer Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:18:22 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-142175 Gosh, typos galore; some corrections It=He Hilare=Hilary 18th century=19th century fpisted=foisted (the former sounds like a a bit of kink) Gosh, typos galore; some corrections

It=He

Hilare=Hilary

18th century=19th century

fpisted=foisted (the former sounds like a a bit of kink)

]]> By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-142089 Sperwer Sun, 16 Mar 2008 05:03:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-142089 Yes, Kim's focus is on the period 1860-1885. It has an excellent account of the calculated efforts by Li Hung-Chang to utilize Korea to distract the western barbarians and buffer China against them, as well as to make it an economically exploited appendage of China a la so-called Western imperialist schemes. Hilare Conroy has an even more detailed account of Li's machinations in this regard in his superb account of "The Japanese Seizure of Korea". I cited Kim only because his book was ready to hand, and the point he makes about the nature of the Chinese-Korean relationship generally (not just in the period at issue)is so incontestable that he just gives a brief statement of it in the introductory material, which I cited as such, to assist the uninformed to appreciate that in the beginning anyway Chinese manipulation in the late 18th century was of a piece with what had been going on for millenia (it changed during the period into a more western style imperialism with the dispatch of Yuan Shi-Kai to manage Korea as China's resident and the new Chinese-Korean commercial treaty fpisted by China on Korea in order to advantage China at the expense not only of other foreign traders but Korea itslef. Yes, Kim’s focus is on the period 1860-1885. It has an excellent account of the calculated efforts by Li Hung-Chang to utilize Korea to distract the western barbarians and buffer China against them, as well as to make it an economically exploited appendage of China a la so-called Western imperialist schemes. Hilare Conroy has an even more detailed account of Li’s machinations in this regard in his superb account of “The Japanese Seizure of Korea”. I cited Kim only because his book was ready to hand, and the point he makes about the nature of the Chinese-Korean relationship generally (not just in the period at issue)is so incontestable that he just gives a brief statement of it in the introductory material, which I cited as such, to assist the uninformed to appreciate that in the beginning anyway Chinese manipulation in the late 18th century was of a piece with what had been going on for millenia (it changed during the period into a more western style imperialism with the dispatch of Yuan Shi-Kai to manage Korea as China’s resident and the new Chinese-Korean commercial treaty fpisted by China on Korea in order to advantage China at the expense not only of other foreign traders but Korea itslef.

]]> By: pawikirogi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141936 pawikirogi Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:41:29 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141936 thank you, sperwer. i will look into it though i did notice the title of your first source says it covers the years 1860-1885. i've copied your sources and will get back to this subject. 'Four posts in a row directed at one commenter, Pawi?' i was savoring the moment. :-) thank you, sperwer. i will look into it though i did notice the title of your first source says it covers the years 1860-1885. i’ve copied your sources and will get back to this subject.

‘Four posts in a row directed at one commenter, Pawi?’

i was savoring the moment. :-)

]]> By: pawikirogi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141933 pawikirogi Sat, 15 Mar 2008 07:35:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141933 'I honestly don’t know what else to say here.' slim how bout you spoke too soon? ‘I honestly don’t know what else to say here.’ slim

how bout you spoke too soon?

]]> By: Sperwer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141815 Sperwer Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:39:44 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141815 E.g., the introductory material in Kim, Key-Hiuk, "The Last Phase of the East Asian World Order: Korea, Japan and the Chinese Empire 1860-1885", esp. pp. 13-15, which is a succinct summary of well and long-established scholarly view of the matter. Frederick Nelson is also good on this topic. Do the rest of your remedial research on your own. E.g., the introductory material in Kim, Key-Hiuk, “The Last Phase of the East Asian World Order: Korea, Japan and the Chinese Empire 1860-1885″, esp. pp. 13-15, which is a succinct summary of well and long-established scholarly view of the matter. Frederick Nelson is also good on this topic. Do the rest of your remedial research on your own.

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141801 Sonagi Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:18:29 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141801 Four posts in a row directed at one commenter, Pawi? Your obsession with Slim is taking on stalkerish tones. Four posts in a row directed at one commenter, Pawi? Your obsession with Slim is taking on stalkerish tones.

]]> By: slim http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141782 slim Fri, 14 Mar 2008 19:56:17 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141782 I hope whoever your caretaker is has removed all sharp objects from your reach and doubled your doses, pawi. I honestly don't know what else to say here. I hope whoever your caretaker is has removed all sharp objects from your reach and doubled your doses, pawi.

I honestly don’t know what else to say here.

]]> By: pawikirogi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141761 pawikirogi Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:59:30 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141761 guys, i'm not trying to be wjk so please forgive three posts in a row. one last thing, slim. i posted my revelations on the open thread for the very situation that unfolded here on this thread. it worked out like a charm. hook, line, and sinker. 'obscures your all-purpose idiocy.’ slim are you sure i'm the idiot, slim? lol! guys, i’m not trying to be wjk so please forgive three posts in a row.

one last thing, slim. i posted my revelations on the open thread for the very situation that unfolded here on this thread. it worked out like a charm. hook, line, and sinker.

‘obscures your all-purpose idiocy.’ slim

are you sure i’m the idiot, slim? lol!

]]> By: pawikirogi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141757 pawikirogi Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:47:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141757 '...just dazzle us with that linguistic brilliance that, to some, obscures your all-purpose idiocy.’ slim 'that’s why i put those litlle chinese characters at the end of my posts; i knew it would drive some of you to acutally waste your time in trying to understand their meaning. secret messege? not hardly...' pawi '...just dazzle us with that linguistic brilliance that, to some, obscures your all-purpose idiocy.’ slim 'are you sure my purpose was to dazzle?' pawi ‘…just dazzle us with that linguistic brilliance that, to some, obscures your all-purpose idiocy.’ slim

‘that’s why i put those litlle chinese characters at the end of my posts; i knew it would drive some of you to acutally waste your time in trying to understand their meaning. secret messege? not hardly…’ pawi

‘…just dazzle us with that linguistic brilliance that, to some, obscures your all-purpose idiocy.’ slim

‘are you sure my purpose was to dazzle?’ pawi

]]> By: pawikirogi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141754 pawikirogi Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:39:10 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/13/this-could-be-a-long-semester/#comment-141754 ‘Learn the meaning of basic English expressions (Night school?) before you start fucking with classical Chinese, dipshit.’ slim 'Wank about all you want with middle Korean uses of Chinese characters (from an era where your mindset is stuck, coincidentally) — in fact, I’d prefer that you drop all the English in your postings and just dazzle us with that linguistic brilliance that, to some, obscures your all-purpose idiocy.' slim ‘Learn the meaning of basic English expressions (Night school?) before you start fucking with classical Chinese, dipshit.’ slim but you are the idiot in this case, aren't ya? 4 years? you haven't learned anything, have you? careful about your accusations for they may make you look like a fool. behold: from the last open thread: pawikirogi Posted March 14, 2008 at 5:04 am | Permalink i’ve known for some time that people here keep records on me. some have acutally even done worse than that. i’m a bit amused by it all and that’s why i put those litlle chinese characters at the end of my posts; i knew it would drive some of you to acutally waste your time in trying to understand their meaning. secret messege? not hardly. here lookee: 波衣古衣皆次 = 바 이 고 이 가이 시 = rock swan king = kogurean 巌 = 바(호이) = rock = middle korean 波兮 君 干 = 보이 닐임간 = rock king = kogurean and baekchean no random use. all have meaning. and that chinese last night, marm, was just hyangchal. lol. now you all know! ‘uh, slim, you were saying?’ pawi 波 兮 君 干 lol. you the fool, slim. ‘Learn the meaning of basic English expressions (Night school?) before you start fucking with classical Chinese, dipshit.’ slim

‘Wank about all you want with middle Korean uses of Chinese characters (from an era where your mindset is stuck, coincidentally) — in fact, I’d prefer that you drop all the English in your postings and just dazzle us with that linguistic brilliance that, to some, obscures your all-purpose idiocy.’ slim

‘Learn the meaning of basic English expressions (Night school?) before you start fucking with classical Chinese, dipshit.’ slim

but you are the idiot in this case, aren’t ya? 4 years? you haven’t learned anything, have you? careful about your accusations for they may make you look like a fool. behold:

from the last open thread:

pawikirogi
Posted March 14, 2008 at 5:04 am | Permalink
i’ve known for some time that people here keep records on me. some have acutally even done worse than that. i’m a bit amused by it all and that’s why i put those litlle chinese characters at the end of my posts; i knew it would drive some of you to acutally waste your time in trying to understand their meaning. secret messege? not hardly. here lookee:

波衣古衣皆次 = 바 이 고 이 가이 시 = rock swan king = kogurean

巌 = 바(호이) = rock = middle korean

波兮 君 干 = 보이 닐임간 = rock king = kogurean and baekchean

no random use. all have meaning. and that chinese last night, marm, was just hyangchal. lol. now you all know!

‘uh, slim, you were saying?’ pawi

波 兮 君 干

lol. you the fool, slim.

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