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	<title>Comments on: &#8216;Why Don&#8217;t You Stick to Teaching the Kids!&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-142062</link>
		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re. #101: From The Korea Times (14 March 2008):

"The Seoul metropolitan area had 21,724 unsold apartments in January, up 7,100 from the previous month, while the number of unsolicited homes in provincial areas increased by 4,017 over the one-month period.

With mounting unsold apartments, many construction firms, particularly smaller ones based in provincial areas, went bankrupt. The number of builders that went bankrupt totaled 57 during the first two months of the year, up 50 percent from the same period last year.

An official at the Construction Association of Korea, a lobbying group for construction firms, said if the number of unsold apartments continue to pile up at a current pace, more than 200 builders will be out of business by the year's end, urging the government to support the construction industry."

Hey, everybody, I have a good idea! Let's dump a couple thousand more officetel units on the market in Chongno, since that's obviously what the market needs right now!

Those poor developers need all the help they can get, right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re. #101: From The Korea Times (14 March 2008):</p>
<p>&#8220;The Seoul metropolitan area had 21,724 unsold apartments in January, up 7,100 from the previous month, while the number of unsolicited homes in provincial areas increased by 4,017 over the one-month period.</p>
<p>With mounting unsold apartments, many construction firms, particularly smaller ones based in provincial areas, went bankrupt. The number of builders that went bankrupt totaled 57 during the first two months of the year, up 50 percent from the same period last year.</p>
<p>An official at the Construction Association of Korea, a lobbying group for construction firms, said if the number of unsold apartments continue to pile up at a current pace, more than 200 builders will be out of business by the year&#8217;s end, urging the government to support the construction industry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hey, everybody, I have a good idea! Let&#8217;s dump a couple thousand more officetel units on the market in Chongno, since that&#8217;s obviously what the market needs right now!</p>
<p>Those poor developers need all the help they can get, right?</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141869</link>
		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 02:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#110: "Now who is being “disingenuous”?"

I was referring to my lack of commentary on the article itself on my own site to which I linked.

As for my initial cheeky comments on this thread, so sue me for playing by house rules. I don't expect much rational or even-handed debate here, frankly.

In any case, this thread has gone over 100 comments unlike the orginal post on the related topic that got exactly ZERO comments:

http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/06/old-restaurants-in-korea/

I'm willing to take a few personal hits if it means raising greater awareness of an important issue.

People keep saying I'm self-important and arrogant, but actualy there's nothing I'd like more than to focus on the issues rather than myself, believe it or not.

What I wonder is why people keep making this a personal issue when it certainly isn't my own intention?

I have my own theories as to why, but frankly I just don't care anymore.

Happy blogging, y'all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#110: &#8220;Now who is being “disingenuous”?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was referring to my lack of commentary on the article itself on my own site to which I linked.</p>
<p>As for my initial cheeky comments on this thread, so sue me for playing by house rules. I don&#8217;t expect much rational or even-handed debate here, frankly.</p>
<p>In any case, this thread has gone over 100 comments unlike the orginal post on the related topic that got exactly ZERO comments:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/06/old-restaurants-in-korea/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/.....-in-korea/</a></p>
<p>I&#8217;m willing to take a few personal hits if it means raising greater awareness of an important issue.</p>
<p>People keep saying I&#8217;m self-important and arrogant, but actualy there&#8217;s nothing I&#8217;d like more than to focus on the issues rather than myself, believe it or not.</p>
<p>What I wonder is why people keep making this a personal issue when it certainly isn&#8217;t my own intention?</p>
<p>I have my own theories as to why, but frankly I just don&#8217;t care anymore.</p>
<p>Happy blogging, y&#8217;all.</p>
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		<title>By: Zerg</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141833</link>
		<dc:creator>Zerg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 00:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You will note that all I did at the top of this thread was link to an article that I translated without even leaving any personal commentary to the story myself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I look at post #16, I see a bunch of insults and no link. In post #19 there is a link and more insults. Now who is being "disingenuous"?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>You will note that all I did at the top of this thread was link to an article that I translated without even leaving any personal commentary to the story myself.</p></blockquote>
<p>When I look at post #16, I see a bunch of insults and no link. In post #19 there is a link and more insults. Now who is being &#8220;disingenuous&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141824</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:54:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I have spoken first hand with people in an area eyed by developers, and the owners refused to sell their property later experienced vandalism in the form of broken windows, smashed doors, and damage to cars. Some of them joined the squatters and refused to leave. I don’t know how the owners were removed in the end, but there are high rises there now.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I'm sure if you got the real story from the first-hand contacts, what you'd find is that they refused to sell, hoping to get more money from the developers -- which is their right -- and then found themselves losing the game of "chicken", ending up getting their properties condemned once enough of their neighbors' properties had been acquired.

Once the properties are condemned, the owners who refuse to leave become squatters themselves -- their legal rights to remain having been terminated by the condemnation process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I have spoken first hand with people in an area eyed by developers, and the owners refused to sell their property later experienced vandalism in the form of broken windows, smashed doors, and damage to cars. Some of them joined the squatters and refused to leave. I don’t know how the owners were removed in the end, but there are high rises there now.</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sure if you got the real story from the first-hand contacts, what you&#8217;d find is that they refused to sell, hoping to get more money from the developers &#8212; which is their right &#8212; and then found themselves losing the game of &#8220;chicken&#8221;, ending up getting their properties condemned once enough of their neighbors&#8217; properties had been acquired.</p>
<p>Once the properties are condemned, the owners who refuse to leave become squatters themselves &#8212; their legal rights to remain having been terminated by the condemnation process.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141819</link>
		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#106: "I also believe that, through an either smooth or rough process, this market imbalance will eventually correct."

Nothing like a little "creative destruction" to sort things out, eh?

"Or, are you saying that, if leveled and then replaced by ‘affordable’ (whatever that might be) housing, the redevelopment of P’imat-gol would be alright?"

You're joking, right? We ARE talking about central Seoul, after all. There's nothing affordable about it and won't ever be. 

What I AM saying at this point is that people can read that JoongAng article I first linked to and draw their own conclusions on the matter. I actually grew tired of this issue quite a long time ago, but thought that merely providing some factual information on it to people by translating that article might be of some use.

Yes, I admit that my idealism sometimes foolishly gets the better of me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#106: &#8220;I also believe that, through an either smooth or rough process, this market imbalance will eventually correct.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nothing like a little &#8220;creative destruction&#8221; to sort things out, eh?</p>
<p>&#8220;Or, are you saying that, if leveled and then replaced by ‘affordable’ (whatever that might be) housing, the redevelopment of P’imat-gol would be alright?&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re joking, right? We ARE talking about central Seoul, after all. There&#8217;s nothing affordable about it and won&#8217;t ever be. </p>
<p>What I AM saying at this point is that people can read that JoongAng article I first linked to and draw their own conclusions on the matter. I actually grew tired of this issue quite a long time ago, but thought that merely providing some factual information on it to people by translating that article might be of some use.</p>
<p>Yes, I admit that my idealism sometimes foolishly gets the better of me.</p>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141811</link>
		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scott, I'm glad you agree that people want comfortable, modern (and among Koreans, frequently, 'luxurious') environments in which to live. You've now taken up the idea that, this accepted, such housing is too expensive. Please bear in mind that I did also use the expression 'as...as they can afford'.

I agree that the price of homes has increased dramnatically, and currently poses a problem for many of those looking to buy. I also believe that, through an either smooth or rough process, this market imbalance will eventually correct.

But that's another issue, is it not? Or, are you saying that, if leveled and then replaced by 'affordable' (whatever that might be) housing, the redevelopment of P’imat-gol would be alright?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scott, I&#8217;m glad you agree that people want comfortable, modern (and among Koreans, frequently, &#8216;luxurious&#8217;) environments in which to live. You&#8217;ve now taken up the idea that, this accepted, such housing is too expensive. Please bear in mind that I did also use the expression &#8216;as&#8230;as they can afford&#8217;.</p>
<p>I agree that the price of homes has increased dramnatically, and currently poses a problem for many of those looking to buy. I also believe that, through an either smooth or rough process, this market imbalance will eventually correct.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s another issue, is it not? Or, are you saying that, if leveled and then replaced by &#8216;affordable&#8217; (whatever that might be) housing, the redevelopment of P’imat-gol would be alright?</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141805</link>
		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 23:03:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#104: "King Baeksu’s message is right that much more needs to be done to protect the charming places of the past, though few will be willing to bore through the six-inch-thick layer of arrogance and angry prose to find that message."

You will note that all I did at the top of this thread was link to an article that I translated without even leaving any personal commentary to the story myself. And all I encountered in return after letting people read that story was sarcasm, haughty dismissal of the story or mostly just indifference.

I actually find it hard to bore through to any message here on this site other than a lot of self-interested noise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#104: &#8220;King Baeksu’s message is right that much more needs to be done to protect the charming places of the past, though few will be willing to bore through the six-inch-thick layer of arrogance and angry prose to find that message.&#8221;</p>
<p>You will note that all I did at the top of this thread was link to an article that I translated without even leaving any personal commentary to the story myself. And all I encountered in return after letting people read that story was sarcasm, haughty dismissal of the story or mostly just indifference.</p>
<p>I actually find it hard to bore through to any message here on this site other than a lot of self-interested noise.</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141746</link>
		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:48:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"In my experience, gangsters are brought in by property owners frustrated at extra-legal behaviors — such as squatting — by people claiming natural rights such as I’ve been here all my life! where they have no legal rights. Are you sure that’s not what happened with the restaurant?"

I have spoken first hand with people in an area eyed by developers, and the &lt;i&gt;owners&lt;/i&gt; refused to sell their property later experienced vandalism in the form of broken windows, smashed doors, and damage to cars. Some of them joined the squatters and refused to leave. I don't know how the owners were removed in the end, but there are high rises there now. 

King Baeksu's message is right that much more needs to be done to protect the charming places of the past, though few will be willing to bore through the six-inch-thick layer of arrogance and angry prose to find that message. 

King Baeksu, were the restauranteurs the owners or tenants of the building in the photo? 

I think it's sad that they had to leave, but if they were tenants and they knew the pink slip was coming, it might have been better to spend their energies on finding a suitable spot for relocation. Koreans stay loyal to restaurants for the food, not the building, and I'm sure most loyal customers would have been willing to go an extra block or so for the same delicious food they'd always enjoyed. If you're worried that "in 20 years everyone will lament there's no more [some such food]" then that's important.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;In my experience, gangsters are brought in by property owners frustrated at extra-legal behaviors — such as squatting — by people claiming natural rights such as I’ve been here all my life! where they have no legal rights. Are you sure that’s not what happened with the restaurant?&#8221;</p>
<p>I have spoken first hand with people in an area eyed by developers, and the <i>owners</i> refused to sell their property later experienced vandalism in the form of broken windows, smashed doors, and damage to cars. Some of them joined the squatters and refused to leave. I don&#8217;t know how the owners were removed in the end, but there are high rises there now. </p>
<p>King Baeksu&#8217;s message is right that much more needs to be done to protect the charming places of the past, though few will be willing to bore through the six-inch-thick layer of arrogance and angry prose to find that message. </p>
<p>King Baeksu, were the restauranteurs the owners or tenants of the building in the photo? </p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s sad that they had to leave, but if they were tenants and they knew the pink slip was coming, it might have been better to spend their energies on finding a suitable spot for relocation. Koreans stay loyal to restaurants for the food, not the building, and I&#8217;m sure most loyal customers would have been willing to go an extra block or so for the same delicious food they&#8217;d always enjoyed. If you&#8217;re worried that &#8220;in 20 years everyone will lament there&#8217;s no more [some such food]&#8221; then that&#8217;s important.</p>
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		<title>By: kevin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141737</link>
		<dc:creator>kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:11:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly those glass and steel buildings that are popping up all over jongno now sicken me..In a city as ugly as seoul Jongno used to be(and still is to a much lesser extent) a breath of fresh air(not literally of course- you have to go up to the mountains for that).
  like Scott, I have lived in the area for over 9 years and there are not too many other parts of this city I would even contemplate living in because most parts are simply too ugly, depressingly drab and soul destroying... This go,go, go mentality of putting up an uninspiring building as quickly and cheaply as possible, then tearing it down 15-20 years later when it looks old and shitty creates an environment of constant noise, disruption to both residential and commercial life(with never any compensation of course to shopkeepers when they can't even get in to their shops because there is a big pit outside it)..there is not a day of the week when the buzzsaws are not splitting the air around here from early morning till nightfall- and on more than one occasion even right through the night in the mad race to finish the building-in one case this went on for 3 months constantly- day and night without any concern for the impact it had on those who lived around here and the detrimental effect it had on their wellbeing. And for what? so a "new" hanok could be built and japanese and chinese tourists come and take photos of the "traditional" Korean house, dress up in hanboks and then make kimchii before being quickly vanned out of there so the next load of stooge tourists can come in for their authentic slice of real korea. Another example is for 6 MONTHS we had to put up with constant digging, drilling and jackhammering(day, night and sundays too) whilst they put in "walking night lights" into the ground so these same stooge tourists could stroll along the romantic, charming Kye dong gil at night(the streetlights had served the locals well enough for God knows how long)..Calls made to Jongno city office to complain about this hell were simply fobbed off..
  If you can't notice coffee bean and chain restaurants and shops eroding the character of a place like Jongno gu then you have to be semi retarded..What irks me is that locals have no say or sway over how their area is being transformed weekly right in front of them. Case in point a deokpogi ajumah who had had the same shop for over 30 years and was loved by all the school kids and locals, to my dismay after seeing her there 2 fridays ago after picking up my son from his piano class, went down to anguk station 2 days later and she was gone with a sign on her fridge for the council to pick it up. She used to complain to my wife that the 800000 won a month rent was killing her(this place was tiny) now there is a newer, more sterile shop there selling exactly the same stuff) and I overheard the ajummahs whose job it was to clean the place up that the new renter was paying 1500000 a month- kind of a hefty increase. People are being forced out of here as the kangnam types come and buy everything up
  So Brendan Carr, the simple point you are failing to grasp in this is the way people, their lifestyles and livelihoods are just being chewed up and spat out in a mad scramble to make property values go as artificially high as they can, and the very heart and soul is being displaced by a bland, generic kangnam north of the river.. Why shouldn't Scott be moved by that? Actually, I pity you and your parched soul(and go ahead, I am sure you will find many typos and mispelt words in here cos it is quite late, haven't you gotten anything better to do?)..and by the way I have no intention to reply to you, i don't actually read Marmot, this link was sent to me though so i read it..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly those glass and steel buildings that are popping up all over jongno now sicken me..In a city as ugly as seoul Jongno used to be(and still is to a much lesser extent) a breath of fresh air(not literally of course- you have to go up to the mountains for that).<br />
  like Scott, I have lived in the area for over 9 years and there are not too many other parts of this city I would even contemplate living in because most parts are simply too ugly, depressingly drab and soul destroying&#8230; This go,go, go mentality of putting up an uninspiring building as quickly and cheaply as possible, then tearing it down 15-20 years later when it looks old and shitty creates an environment of constant noise, disruption to both residential and commercial life(with never any compensation of course to shopkeepers when they can&#8217;t even get in to their shops because there is a big pit outside it)..there is not a day of the week when the buzzsaws are not splitting the air around here from early morning till nightfall- and on more than one occasion even right through the night in the mad race to finish the building-in one case this went on for 3 months constantly- day and night without any concern for the impact it had on those who lived around here and the detrimental effect it had on their wellbeing. And for what? so a &#8220;new&#8221; hanok could be built and japanese and chinese tourists come and take photos of the &#8220;traditional&#8221; Korean house, dress up in hanboks and then make kimchii before being quickly vanned out of there so the next load of stooge tourists can come in for their authentic slice of real korea. Another example is for 6 MONTHS we had to put up with constant digging, drilling and jackhammering(day, night and sundays too) whilst they put in &#8220;walking night lights&#8221; into the ground so these same stooge tourists could stroll along the romantic, charming Kye dong gil at night(the streetlights had served the locals well enough for God knows how long)..Calls made to Jongno city office to complain about this hell were simply fobbed off..<br />
  If you can&#8217;t notice coffee bean and chain restaurants and shops eroding the character of a place like Jongno gu then you have to be semi retarded..What irks me is that locals have no say or sway over how their area is being transformed weekly right in front of them. Case in point a deokpogi ajumah who had had the same shop for over 30 years and was loved by all the school kids and locals, to my dismay after seeing her there 2 fridays ago after picking up my son from his piano class, went down to anguk station 2 days later and she was gone with a sign on her fridge for the council to pick it up. She used to complain to my wife that the 800000 won a month rent was killing her(this place was tiny) now there is a newer, more sterile shop there selling exactly the same stuff) and I overheard the ajummahs whose job it was to clean the place up that the new renter was paying 1500000 a month- kind of a hefty increase. People are being forced out of here as the kangnam types come and buy everything up<br />
  So Brendan Carr, the simple point you are failing to grasp in this is the way people, their lifestyles and livelihoods are just being chewed up and spat out in a mad scramble to make property values go as artificially high as they can, and the very heart and soul is being displaced by a bland, generic kangnam north of the river.. Why shouldn&#8217;t Scott be moved by that? Actually, I pity you and your parched soul(and go ahead, I am sure you will find many typos and mispelt words in here cos it is quite late, haven&#8217;t you gotten anything better to do?)..and by the way I have no intention to reply to you, i don&#8217;t actually read Marmot, this link was sent to me though so i read it..</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/03/11/why-dont-you-stick-to-teaching-the-kids/#comment-141712</link>
		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:33:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#101: "Wrong building, bad timing."

At last we finally seem to agree on something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#101: &#8220;Wrong building, bad timing.&#8221;</p>
<p>At last we finally seem to agree on something.</p>
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