Comments on: New York Philharmonic Comes and Goes, But All Remains the Same http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/ Korea... in Blog Format Thu, 24 Jul 2008 06:12:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: knickerbocker http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138968 knickerbocker Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:40:42 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138968 People act like the maestro was playing for a bunch of homeless people. These are not people who are down on their luck or just hard to understand. They are oppressors who have no regard for human rights, let alone artistic expression. People act like the maestro was playing for a bunch of homeless people. These are not people who are down on their luck or just hard to understand. They are oppressors who have no regard for human rights, let alone artistic expression.

]]> By: knickerbocker http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138965 knickerbocker Tue, 04 Mar 2008 05:36:48 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138965 I wish the coddle-the-dictator crowd could get it through their heads that it was an emotional event because they were serenading a dictator. I'm guessing it's a powerful feeling to know that you're sitting amongst a group of people who are enslaved under a truly horrible system. I wish the coddle-the-dictator crowd could get it through their heads that it was an emotional event because they were serenading a dictator. I’m guessing it’s a powerful feeling to know that you’re sitting amongst a group of people who are enslaved under a truly horrible system.

]]> By: Piper http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138210 Piper Fri, 29 Feb 2008 10:06:33 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138210 An American orchestra plays its anthem in PY while anti-American propaganda is removed from public view. It's huge, even as temporary as it is. I can't believe the almost injured bitterness written here. Robert is sounding like someone just peed in his cornflakes! It's as if any progress would be a bad thing... An American orchestra plays its anthem in PY while anti-American propaganda is removed from public view. It’s huge, even as temporary as it is.

I can’t believe the almost injured bitterness written here. Robert is sounding like someone just peed in his cornflakes!

It’s as if any progress would be a bad thing…

]]> By: The Potemkin Performance: Left Flank http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138161 The Potemkin Performance: Left Flank Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:35:14 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138161 [...] get the point! Nothing changed in DPRK the night the New York Philharmonic Orchestra played (TMH's sly derision, ROK Drop's matter-of-fact outrage, Joshua's total outrage). But, if not only a way to dupe those [...] [...] get the point! Nothing changed in DPRK the night the New York Philharmonic Orchestra played (TMH’s sly derision, ROK Drop’s matter-of-fact outrage, Joshua’s total outrage). But, if not only a way to dupe those [...]

]]> By: Robert Koehler http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138158 Robert Koehler Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:30:42 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138158 day4night --- you owe me at least one click on my Google ads for making me sit through that Youtube. <blockquote>Hard to watch? Did you only see the beginning? I read a NY Times account that went on about how emotional the event was, but when I watched the arirang segment I found the immediate applause cold as marble–that North Korean unsmile we’re used to. But then something happened.</blockquote> Now, I wasn't there, so I can't say for certain, but judging from the Youtube, might I suggest that "what happened" was that the North Korean high officials in the luxury box kept clapping, and the rest of the crowd got the picture? day4night — you owe me at least one click on my Google ads for making me sit through that Youtube.

Hard to watch? Did you only see the beginning? I read a NY Times account that went on about how emotional the event was, but when I watched the arirang segment I found the immediate applause cold as marble–that North Korean unsmile we’re used to. But then something happened.

Now, I wasn’t there, so I can’t say for certain, but judging from the Youtube, might I suggest that “what happened” was that the North Korean high officials in the luxury box kept clapping, and the rest of the crowd got the picture?

]]> By: Responses to NY Philharmoinic | DPRK Forum http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138154 Responses to NY Philharmoinic | DPRK Forum Fri, 29 Feb 2008 05:20:56 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138154 [...] have not seen the other blogs (which I am sure you already have), make sure to read ROK Drop and Marmots. NKEconWatch has some good links to follow as well to get some more [...] [...] have not seen the other blogs (which I am sure you already have), make sure to read ROK Drop and Marmots. NKEconWatch has some good links to follow as well to get some more [...]

]]> By: day4night http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138047 day4night Thu, 28 Feb 2008 18:22:08 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-138047 Hard to watch? Did you only see the beginning? I read a NY Times account that went on about how emotional the event was, but when I watched the arirang segment I found the immediate applause cold as marble--that North Korean unsmile we're used to. But then something happened. After the first minute of applause the orchestra sat down, as did most of the audience. But some members of the audience kept up the applause, and they succeeded in rousing the audience new waves of applause were very different. As if a propaganda painting were coming to life, some members of the audience started to behave individually. Some whistled, many waved and kept on waving, their individual personalities showing through more and more clearly during the ten minutes of applause. It was especially true with the pudgy, good-natured looking guy who really kick-started the applause. I'm not in at all unaware of the terrifying realities of the DPRK regime, and as the video wrapped up I found myself thinking that while all of North Korea (including KJI) is in an enormous trap, at least the elite here were able to look out a little bit, and that some might remember this night fondly for the rest of their lives, and that it might even affect in some way their attitudes toward the future. Hard to watch? Did you only see the beginning? I read a NY Times account that went on about how emotional the event was, but when I watched the arirang segment I found the immediate applause cold as marble–that North Korean unsmile we’re used to. But then something happened. After the first minute of applause the orchestra sat down, as did most of the audience. But some members of the audience kept up the applause, and they succeeded in rousing the audience new waves of applause were very different. As if a propaganda painting were coming to life, some members of the audience started to behave individually. Some whistled, many waved and kept on waving, their individual personalities showing through more and more clearly during the ten minutes of applause. It was especially true with the pudgy, good-natured looking guy who really kick-started the applause. I’m not in at all unaware of the terrifying realities of the DPRK regime, and as the video wrapped up I found myself thinking that while all of North Korea (including KJI) is in an enormous trap, at least the elite here were able to look out a little bit, and that some might remember this night fondly for the rest of their lives, and that it might even affect in some way their attitudes toward the future.

]]> By: OneFreeKorea » The Clapton Gambit http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-137856 OneFreeKorea » The Clapton Gambit Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:19:29 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-137856 [...] for you, your enemies have an inexhausible apetite for superficial displays. They desperately want to believe that the gas chambers, nuclear tests, concentration camps, [...] [...] for you, your enemies have an inexhausible apetite for superficial displays. They desperately want to believe that the gas chambers, nuclear tests, concentration camps, [...]

]]> By: Railwaycharm http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-137853 Railwaycharm Thu, 28 Feb 2008 01:13:50 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-137853 #18 I am embarrassed for the Philharmonic Orchestra and the pathetic brainwashed lemmings. This was hard to watch. #18 I am embarrassed for the Philharmonic Orchestra and the pathetic brainwashed lemmings. This was hard to watch.

]]> By: day4night http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-137844 day4night Thu, 28 Feb 2008 00:41:40 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/27/new-york-philharmonic-comes-and-goes-but-all-remains-the-same/#comment-137844 You might not think the performance was meaningless after you watch this video of the North Korean audience applaud, wave, whistle and shout for ten minutes after The NY Phil plays Arirang: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DEdCovYObZQ You might not think the performance was meaningless after you watch this video of the North Korean audience applaud, wave, whistle and shout for ten minutes after The NY Phil plays Arirang: http://youtube.com/watch?v=DEdCovYObZQ

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