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	<title>Comments on: ROKAF Unveils Space Strategy</title>
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		<title>By: timmy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/17/rokaf-unveils-space-strategy/#comment-135906</link>
		<dc:creator>timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 23:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I stand corrected.  I hadn't heard about the Naro Space Center -- that's some fascinating stuff.  The technological advances in Korea are so rapid, it's hard to keep up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I stand corrected.  I hadn&#8217;t heard about the Naro Space Center &#8212; that&#8217;s some fascinating stuff.  The technological advances in Korea are so rapid, it&#8217;s hard to keep up.</p>
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		<title>By: Mizar5</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/17/rokaf-unveils-space-strategy/#comment-135884</link>
		<dc:creator>Mizar5</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 16:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The laser -if it works, and that's a very big if - would be useless. Korean society lacks the cajones to ever fire it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The laser -if it works, and that&#8217;s a very big if - would be useless. Korean society lacks the cajones to ever fire it.</p>
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		<title>By: Haksaeng</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/17/rokaf-unveils-space-strategy/#comment-135858</link>
		<dc:creator>Haksaeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 12:48:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Based on the stated goals in this article, it looks like Seoul has just about completed phase one of this plan and is working on phase 2.  South Korea's been in negotiations with Germany to purchase and upgrade two battalions of PAC-2 missiles from Germany (http://www.spacewar.com/reports/South_Korea_Wants_To_Buy_Second_Hand_Patriot_Missiles_From_Germany_999.html).  This will give the ROK a basic missile defense capability to go along with the capabilities it is getting with the AEGIS systems it is deploying on the KDX-III.

As Mins points out, Seoul is also starting to put its own imagery satellites into orbit.  Korea expects to complete its space center early this year and launch its first space launch vehicle from it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naro_Space_Center).  This center will also allow the ROK to launch classified payloads without having to expose them to another country.  Until this center is complete, Seoul has no option other than to rely on other countries to put it satellites into space.  The US launched the Arirang-1 and Russia launched the Arirang-2.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Based on the stated goals in this article, it looks like Seoul has just about completed phase one of this plan and is working on phase 2.  South Korea&#8217;s been in negotiations with Germany to purchase and upgrade two battalions of PAC-2 missiles from Germany (http://www.spacewar.com/reports/South_Korea_Wants_To_Buy_Second_Hand_Patriot_Missiles_From_Germany_999.html).  This will give the ROK a basic missile defense capability to go along with the capabilities it is getting with the AEGIS systems it is deploying on the KDX-III.</p>
<p>As Mins points out, Seoul is also starting to put its own imagery satellites into orbit.  Korea expects to complete its space center early this year and launch its first space launch vehicle from it (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naro_Space_Center).  This center will also allow the ROK to launch classified payloads without having to expose them to another country.  Until this center is complete, Seoul has no option other than to rely on other countries to put it satellites into space.  The US launched the Arirang-1 and Russia launched the Arirang-2.</p>
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		<title>By: mins0306</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/17/rokaf-unveils-space-strategy/#comment-135838</link>
		<dc:creator>mins0306</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 09:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes Timmy, my mistake and it has been corrected.  I don't think launching a spy satellite by 2020 is unrealistic.  Korea already has the Arirang-2 satellite in orbit which has an digital camera(I believe its optics are Israeli) with a 1 meter resolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang-2

Launching a satellite equipped with a camera that has a smaller resolution, isn't technically that far away.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes Timmy, my mistake and it has been corrected.  I don&#8217;t think launching a spy satellite by 2020 is unrealistic.  Korea already has the Arirang-2 satellite in orbit which has an digital camera(I believe its optics are Israeli) with a 1 meter resolution.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang-2" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arirang-2</a></p>
<p>Launching a satellite equipped with a camera that has a smaller resolution, isn&#8217;t technically that far away.</p>
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		<title>By: Timmy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timmy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 08:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The original article says "after" 2020, not "by" 2020.  To be sure, the announced plan's timeline is frustratingly vague, and the article could have done a much better job of explaining what "after 2020" means, but launching a spy satellite by 2020 is so unrealistic that it can't be a viable interpretation of the plan.  That kind of propaganda would make NK blush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The original article says &#8220;after&#8221; 2020, not &#8220;by&#8221; 2020.  To be sure, the announced plan&#8217;s timeline is frustratingly vague, and the article could have done a much better job of explaining what &#8220;after 2020&#8243; means, but launching a spy satellite by 2020 is so unrealistic that it can&#8217;t be a viable interpretation of the plan.  That kind of propaganda would make NK blush.</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 07:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;well i would wonder if the AF is responsible for shooting down their own dead satellites as China did. Could a laser be good for this?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

A laser might be able to do it (the most likely candidate is one mounted on a 747 or other high-flying vessel, in order to minimize the atmospheric distortion), but for dead satellites, it's really much better just to leave them in orbit.  After all, one big, uncontrollable object is much better than several thousand smaller ones.  I'm sure that every time anyone shoots down a satellite, there's probably some guy in NASA that loses it, 'cuz they've suddenly got that many more objects that they need to track (in order to keep clear stuff like space shuttles, international space stations, and other satellites) that are just that much harder to track.  Unless you've got a satellite that's de-orbiting anyhow, and you're worried that it might hit the lottery and actually damage something other than empty ground or an ocean, shooting down a dead satellite causes a lot more problems than it would propose to solve.  More likely, the &lt;i&gt;real&lt;/i&gt; purpose of a system like this would be either to A) knock out communications and surveillance satellites in the event of an actual war or B) shoot down missiles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>well i would wonder if the AF is responsible for shooting down their own dead satellites as China did. Could a laser be good for this?</p></blockquote>
<p>A laser might be able to do it (the most likely candidate is one mounted on a 747 or other high-flying vessel, in order to minimize the atmospheric distortion), but for dead satellites, it&#8217;s really much better just to leave them in orbit.  After all, one big, uncontrollable object is much better than several thousand smaller ones.  I&#8217;m sure that every time anyone shoots down a satellite, there&#8217;s probably some guy in NASA that loses it, &#8216;cuz they&#8217;ve suddenly got that many more objects that they need to track (in order to keep clear stuff like space shuttles, international space stations, and other satellites) that are just that much harder to track.  Unless you&#8217;ve got a satellite that&#8217;s de-orbiting anyhow, and you&#8217;re worried that it might hit the lottery and actually damage something other than empty ground or an ocean, shooting down a dead satellite causes a lot more problems than it would propose to solve.  More likely, the <i>real</i> purpose of a system like this would be either to A) knock out communications and surveillance satellites in the event of an actual war or B) shoot down missiles.</p>
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		<title>By: mins0306</title>
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		<dc:creator>mins0306</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long time no see, Haeksang.

There is also an Israeli system from Rafael called Trophy.  It is currently being tested on a Stryker AFV and I think it is also installed on a Merkava MBT.

http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/homepage.aspx?FolderID=281&#38;docID=963

From a magazine I read, the ROKA considered procuring the Trophy but dropped it because it couldn't protect armored vehicles from ATGWs that are attacking the top armor of armored vehicles.

As for the XK-2 it currently only has a passive defense system, but an active defense system is included in its future plans.  The active defense system will be based on the Russian Arena.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long time no see, Haeksang.</p>
<p>There is also an Israeli system from Rafael called Trophy.  It is currently being tested on a Stryker AFV and I think it is also installed on a Merkava MBT.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rafael.co.il/marketing/homepage.aspx?FolderID=281&amp;docID=963" rel="nofollow">http://www.rafael.co.il/market.....;docID=963</a></p>
<p>From a magazine I read, the ROKA considered procuring the Trophy but dropped it because it couldn&#8217;t protect armored vehicles from ATGWs that are attacking the top armor of armored vehicles.</p>
<p>As for the XK-2 it currently only has a passive defense system, but an active defense system is included in its future plans.  The active defense system will be based on the Russian Arena.</p>
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		<title>By: mins0306</title>
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		<dc:creator>mins0306</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 06:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;But anti-artillery/rockets lasers huh? Wouldn’t that significantly reduce the chance of “Seoul turning into sea of flames” scenario?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Assuming that a) the ROK government and Doosan don't give up on the R&#38;D and b) it works as designed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>But anti-artillery/rockets lasers huh? Wouldn’t that significantly reduce the chance of “Seoul turning into sea of flames” scenario?</p></blockquote>
<p>Assuming that a) the ROK government and Doosan don&#8217;t give up on the R&amp;D and b) it works as designed.</p>
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		<title>By: Haksaeng</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haksaeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 03:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"And didn’t an Israeli company already invent something like that? It was to be on a tank and would shoot down incoming rpgs…"

The Russians invented it--the Arena system (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_Active_Protection_System)--but it destroys anti-tank guided missiles before they impact a tank, not RPGs.  The South Koreans use a similar active defense system on the recently completed XK-2 main battle tank (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XK2).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;And didn’t an Israeli company already invent something like that? It was to be on a tank and would shoot down incoming rpgs…&#8221;</p>
<p>The Russians invented it&#8211;the Arena system (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arena_Active_Protection_System" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A.....ion_System</a>)&#8211;but it destroys anti-tank guided missiles before they impact a tank, not RPGs.  The South Koreans use a similar active defense system on the recently completed XK-2 main battle tank (see <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XK2" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XK2</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: bumfromkorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/02/17/rokaf-unveils-space-strategy/#comment-135751</link>
		<dc:creator>bumfromkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:38:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anti-satellite weaponry, as noted by the Economist few weeks ago (yes, that is my second Bible), will become one of the critical field of weapons in the near future.  As SK government seems to be focused on updating their military weaponry (Fighters, warships, tanks, etc.) without regards to cost, I don't think it's unreasonable for them to go for it.

But anti-artillery/rockets lasers huh?  Wouldn't that significantly reduce the chance of  "Seoul turning into sea of flames" scenario?  

And didn't an Israeli company already invent something like that?  It was to be on a tank and would shoot down incoming rpgs...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anti-satellite weaponry, as noted by the Economist few weeks ago (yes, that is my second Bible), will become one of the critical field of weapons in the near future.  As SK government seems to be focused on updating their military weaponry (Fighters, warships, tanks, etc.) without regards to cost, I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s unreasonable for them to go for it.</p>
<p>But anti-artillery/rockets lasers huh?  Wouldn&#8217;t that significantly reduce the chance of  &#8220;Seoul turning into sea of flames&#8221; scenario?  </p>
<p>And didn&#8217;t an Israeli company already invent something like that?  It was to be on a tank and would shoot down incoming rpgs&#8230;</p>
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