Seems like our friendly neighbors across the West Sea have been using the burning of Sungnyemun Gate to have a little classless fun :
Curious to see how this tragic event was being covered in the Chinese media, I visited some internet portals and after browsing the news stories, I read the comment threads and was shocked at the almost uniformly nasty vitriol spewed by Chinese netizens: scornful jokes about the unimpressiveness of the gate and put-downs of Korean culture and history, punctuated by the epithet “gaoli bangzi,” a favorite anti-Korean slur.
The anonymity of the internet is the refuge of scoundrels everywhere; however, one would expect message threads on major portals like Sina and Tianya to contain some voices of reason, yet nearly every Chinese netizen posting on the threads used the loss of a historically important city gate as an excuse to ridicule Korea and Koreans, revealing themselves as a classless and mean-spirited bunch.
Nice. Real nice.
(HT to reader)
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after browsing through, I agree with some points.
Foreign tribes which invaded China accepted Han Chinese culture, not the other way around.
China is all about China. The Center of the WORLD, they think.
stop assuming all of us yellow skins are Chinese. It’s a grave insult.
not that we make any such distinctions for white or black folk.
China, Korea, Japan are destined for war.
the prophet, baduk, has said so.
I agree.
Particularly ironic when you consider how the Chinese government reacted when a Korean pet shop owner was using a photoshopped picture of the Tiananmen.
Holy smokes, that’s pretty damn low by the Chinese. However, because it’s coming from China (as opposed to Japan), I am wondering whether or not the Koreans will just accept it since they seem to try to do anything to avoid upsetting or offending China at all costs, even if it means kowtowing to the Chinese as a “master”. On the other hand, if this was coming from Japan, then Koreans would unleash hell…and going so far as to do so with a joyful grin as they really don’t mind, but rather enjoy engaging in a chance to trash the country to the east. I really wonder why it is that they don’t act in the same way to the country to their west. Is it Sinocentrism?
However, I do remember how many Koreans were reported celebrating and posting on the internet joyful messages of how they were happy that many Japanese were killed during the 1995 Hanshin Earthquake and the train derailing a few years ago in Hyogo prefecture. I guess what comes around goes around.
Chinese have a very difficult time accepting that Koreans went beyond the peninsula and into PRC territory for a short time.
Why? Korea chose to be a tributary to China since 668AD. How dare they change stances after 1000s of years !
Baekje’s presence in China is based 95% on south Chinese kingdom records. It’s denied and not mentioned in Samguk books written by Mr. Kim.
Goguryo is mentioned as a foreign barbarian nation, not of Han Chinese origin. In Chinese history books. After swallowing up Khitan, Manchu, Mongolian, Tibet, PRChina wants to say these barbarian tribe were Chinese after all. They should, too. How embarassing to have been ruled under Yuan and Qing under 100s of Years! Nah, they were Chinese, too.
Of interest, Goguryo is mentioned in Romance of the Three Kingdoms…not as Han Chinese, though.
You are Chinese after all~,
You are Chinese after all~,
You are Chinese after all~,
You are Chinese after all…
look at the Chinese coming clean, and saying they consider the
Vietnamese “inferior” as well.
add Vietnam to the great East Asian War.
ROK will probably kowtow to China, continuing the stance they took, since they betrayed 2/3 of the peninsula kingdoms.
Going to that Peking Duck blog is like when the Simpsons kids in Springfield went over to Shelbyville to recapture the mythic lemon tree.
Ugh…
In a related topic, looks like they have a new plan for Namdaemoon:
http://www.koreadaily.com/asp/.....0108200200
Wouldn’t that expansion seriously mess with the traffic around there though?
“The anonymity of the internet is the refuge of scoundrels everywhere”
Really? Who would have thought? Thanks for the heads up!!
“one would expect message threads on major portals like Sina and Tianya to contain some voices of reason”
Really? Why would you think that? By your own account, “The anonymity of the internet is the refuge of scoundrels everywhere.”
“nearly every Chinese netizen posting on the threads used the loss of a historically important city gate as an excuse to ridicule Korea and Koreans, revealing themselves as a classless and mean-spirited bunch”
Really? Who are you calling classless and mean-spirited? The “scoundrels” on the internet? Chinese people in general? (that is the obvious connotation)So, what is the point of posting this ridiculous article? To bash Chinese people because SOME of them bash Korea?
Brilliant! Hate feeds hate. Stupidity feeds stupidity. Congratulations on being a part of the cycle!
It’s not much worse than the scoundrels who write graffiti on the Great Wall.
http://dereck.i.ph/photo/v/Pho.....8.jpg.html
I guess, but to be fair there is graffiti written and trash strewn all over the Great Wall, so it’s not a Korean thing at all.
Not sure if you caught it, but some pics of Japanese tourists posing and smiling in front of the burned down Namdaemun was the most-viewed piece on Cyworld News a day or two ago. The photos are gone from the cyworld site—from the looks of it—but the comments are still there:
http://cynews.cyworld.com/Serv.....4052890120
The photos are here: http://briandeutsch.blogspot.c.....scene.html
No, because they are building those walls on existing land which BTW doesn’t involve any removal of current roads.
Something that will be obvious if one were to look at photos of Namdaemun or maps of Seoul.
“I guess, but to be fair there is graffiti written and trash strewn all over the Great Wall, so it’s not a Korean thing at all.”
One does not excuse the other.
Tourists smiling in a picture? Well, gee, I never saw that before.
It’s always nice to know that some people have even less of a social life than I do.
# 8,
In all fairness, I can imagine if Zojoji temple or Sensouji temple in Tokyo burned down some stupid Korean kids would take smiling pictures with V signs as the hulks smolder in the background.
Just as long as people in East Asia aren’t shooting each other I think we’ll be okay.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/2.....232991291/
@3) I remember the last Korean Independence Day celebration I attended at city hall (two years ago?) when the fireworks and giant video projection culminated in footage of an atomic bomb going off, that is Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the corresponding roaring cheers from all the Koreans surrounding me…
#14,
I remember last time I went to Pagoda Park with my wife. Old men were insulting her just because she was with me. I just thought it was so damned ironic given the place we were at. I guess these old farts had never heard of Dr. Frank Schofield.
Genki japanese girls smile because they are genki. I don’t think those smiling tourists were gloating at their nation’s former imperial subject’s loss. Then again, when I was an elementary student, I wasn’t taken to a museum where I saw wax figures of evil Japanese oppressors torturing wax figures of my countrymen, etc., so I such blind hate weren’t properly instilled into me.
These girls were probably Japanese girls excited to visit Sparkling Seoul, the Soul of Asia.
Yes, the kids (and yes, it is almost invariably kids) on Sina and Tianya are being cunts. But is it even worth taking these people seriously? Who looks to 4chan for social commentary?
See also:
http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19
#13, I had no idea Dokdo was so densely populated.
We shouldn’t take those nasty comments by Chinese netizens seriously. Let them have their say, let them have their day. We don’t have to stoop so low to their level.
As far as I know the majority of Chinese people do respect Koreans and their culture. They see them as cousins.
You’re surprised at this?
It’s starting to get dangerous to be a Korean in China. One of the Samsung managers in China had his hand cut off by a Chinese mob because he dared to fire a subcontractor providing substandard food. So far the Korean media has covered up all kinds of assaults and hate crimes against Korean nationals because they don’t want to disturb their number one trading nation.
Scoundrels aren’t the only people who post comment on message boards. Nice people like us leave comments, too.
Please reread the quote you are commenting on. The subject of the sentence is “nearly every Chinese netizen who posted on the threads;” that is who “revealing themselves to be a classless and mean-spirited bunch” refers to.
Please notice that I posted at the Peking Duck, not the Marmot’s Hole. Many of the Peking Duck’s readers and commenters are Chinese; commenters of several nationalities have speculated as to the reasons for ill will towards Korea among some Chinese netizens and how widespread this is.
@21) Cover-up?
http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....40015.html
ru86ed, a little chippy there? “Nearly every Chinese netizen posting on the threads” somehow equals all Chinese? There was nothing ambiguous or difficult to understand about how she phrased it. Are you “likes to fight guy”? All the vitriol you are projecting is non-existent and you seem to be the type to imagine a shit-storm on a sunny day. ru86ed?
Um, those Japanese tourists aren’t posing in front of the destroyed building, the only one posing is the girl on the right, and she’s facing 90 degrees away and to the side of it.
“One of the Samsung managers in China had his hand cut off by a Chinese mob because he dared to fire a subcontractor providing substandard food.”
I suspect the Chinese probably share more genes with their Arabic brothers to be able to commit such an act.
“So far the Korean media has covered up all kinds of assaults and hate crimes against Korean nationals because they don’t want to disturb their number one trading nation.”
I think it’s probably more because of the journalists’ fear of the the Chinese thugs than the trade loss.
“Korea, meet your neighbour, oh; and resume the position”
Why no flak on the local TV news about this noise??
Beers for those who can answer.
#21,
That’s not a hate crime, that’s a mob hit. It just shows that there’s a lot of money to be made in China and that consequently there are bastards who will stop at nothing to claim a bigger share of the profits than they deserve.
To be fair, the feeling is mutual across the West Sea. Check out the comments for this particular post.
http://bemil.chosun.com/brd/vi.....num=102125
#24
“All the vitriol you are projecting is non-existent”
I’m sorry. I must have misunderstood this
“China is all about China. The Center of the WORLD, they think. Stop assuming all of us yellow skins are Chinese. It’s a grave insult.”
Or this
“Holy smokes, that’s pretty damn low by the Chinese”
And, of course this
look at the Chinese coming clean, and saying they consider the Vietnamese “inferior” as well.
add Vietnam to the great East Asian War.
ROK will probably kowtow to China, continuing the stance they took, since they betrayed 2/3 of the peninsula kingdoms.
And my favorite
“It’s starting to get dangerous to be a Korean in China. One of the Samsung managers in China had his hand cut off by a Chinese mob.”
Do you see anywhere in these comments the poster limiting their thoughts to the “Chinese netizen[s] posting on the threads”? No.
As I said, posting a comment about people hating other people simply causes more people to crap on about how they hate people, too!
Comment #24, which was mischaracterized or misread by #29, was attempting to correct comment #7’s mischaracterization or misreading of the original Sonagi post. I share your concern about hateful comments begetting hateful comments, but you gotta read more carefully.
Koreans do it to everyone else, so they’re getting what they deserve. Koreans hate everyone except Korean nationals. All Chinese are 3rd world, dirty, smelly people to Koreans. If Koreans don’t like it, them should shut the fuck up about others.
then…
How many of you recall the cheering by the Koreans over 9/11? And now to have Korea equate the, albeit tragic, loss of Namdaemun to the loss of the Twin Towers and thousands of lives? How offensive can it get?
http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....20011.html
Off topic:
Another US on-campus mass shooting has just occurred (sometime in the last couple of hours, prior to 2PM PDT US. At Northern Illinois University campus, DeKalb Illinois, about 65 miles w of Chicago.
A large campus, about 40,000 students. Gunman (white male?) opened fire in a lecture hall, early report is 18 total shot, at least 3 dead (one of whom is evidently the shooter, by his own hand). Gunman had a shotgun and a pistol.
A very prelim story link: http://www.usatoday.com/news/n.....ting_N.htm
And… Bai Ling got arrested for shoplifting:
LOS ANGELES, Feb 14 (Reuters Life!) - Chinese-born actress Bai Ling was arrested for shoplifting at Los Angeles International Airport after a gift shop employee accused her of stealing two magazines and a pack of batteries, police said on Thursday.
Ling, who has appeared in such films as “The Crow” and “Red Corner,” was taken into custody on Wednesday afternoon after leaving the store with two tabloid magazines and the batteries, Los Angeles Airport Police spokesman Jim Holcomb said.
She was booked on suspicion of shoplifting the items worth $16, a misdemeanor, and ordered to appear in court on May 5.
Some reporter reports the sentiments of a few people and then, of course, some moron ascribes these sentiments to an entire nation as the official stance.
Truth be told, any comparison between Namdaemun and 9/11 is ridiculous. But let’s not misunderstand and misrepresent what the report is about. I’m pretty sure that nobody is saying the burning of Namdaemun is equivalent to 9/11 in any sense- definitely not the full blown sense- except in the very particular sense of what it was like to see a national monument, a symbol of a country, burn to the ground in real time.
And, by the way, I certainly wasn’t celebrating 9/11 and don’t know any Koreans who were, just the opposite. I guess we missed the memo that states that we, as Koreans a part of the uniform entity “the Koreans”, were supposed to be celebrating acts of terrorism that result in mass destruction and tragic loss of life.
ru86ed, understood. You’re right about the dynamics of hate. It feeds on itself. On the other hand if you start throwing around the race card when it doesn’t exist it dilutes the instances of genuine racism. Kinda like the boy who cried wolf. People tend to be less alarmed.
Nough said.
abcblahblahblahblah, that was well put. Often we accredit large groups of people with the sentiment of the few. It may be a simple matter of what they’re saying is so dischordant that it seems louder. I’m certain that most Koreans were aghast on 9-11.
I must say I was not a big fan when I first started reading your posts. That’s starting to change.
Gillian’s #33 is certainly a really dumb complaint. Psychological effects of a disaster on people can surely be indicated by analogy to famous incidents in other nations, and there is never any requirement that there be proportionality of actual damage — it’s just about people’s feelings, the intensity of which nobody has any right to snootily judge.
If you’ve ever been trying to console a western boy or even man whose dog just died, you’d know that his emotions are as deep and real as anybody who was watching TV on 9/11, tho hopefully much more temporary. Namdae-mun is deeply symbolic to many Koreans, and the *psychological devastation to them* of the torching of its wooden superstructure can legitimately be compared to the same inpact on anyone anywhere about anything — comparrison of the actual physical damage is entirely another subject, and quite beside the point at the time.
I did not post at the Marmot’s Hole. I posted at the Peking Duck. This was a deliberate choice. I wanted to elicit opinions from Chinese and expat commenters. The thread over there has gone off-topic with bilateral bickering, but I don’t think that’s such a bad thing. Chinese and Koreans arguing about Duanwu/Dano or Goguryo isn’t hateful in and of itself although any argument about even the most trivial topic can turn nasty. Our blogger host can attest to that.
Koreans do it to everyone else, so they’re getting what they deserve.”
Considering our attitude, is it really that shocking to learn that we pretty poorly thought of all around the world?
To know us is to observe us pumping up our fragile egos at the expense of others.
Honestly, since coming back to the States, my wife and I have assiduously avoided other Koreans - we are just too tired of the incessant arrogance, boasting and being subjected to others’ judgemental material standards, something we seldom get from non-Koreans. After decades, it’s really gotten old.
We have now come to sympathize when we hear Chinese people say they don’t like Koreans.
As for 9/11, at Samsung, my colleagues were emailing around a cartoon lampooning the attack on the WTC, which they found quite hillarious.
Anyway, pretty soon many Koreans will calm down and realize that the most important part of the Sunnye-mun, the Actual Gateway, is made of good Korean granite and has survived this disgusting assault just fine. The relatively-quite-transitory fancy-lookin’ wooden pavilion on top will be rebuilt, as it would’ve needed to in time anyway, and when the paint fades it’ll look exactly the same up there on its super-strong foundation. And perhaps some good analogy can then be drawn from this minor tragedy about the Korean character in general…
It was an unwise decision by the Chosun Ilbo reporter or editor to lead with the 9.11 quote, however legit the sentiments might have been by those distressed individuals who expressed them at the moment.
“Honestly, since coming back to the States, my wife and I have assiduously avoided other Koreans - we are just too tired of the incessant arrogance, boasting and being subjected to others’ judgemental material standards”
You’re right. I have the same feelings myself too. In fact, remind me to avoid you and your wife too.
The Chinese netizens are right on one thing at least, the gate was rather unimpressive. It wasn’t even that tall or big to begin with. Why did government select it as national treasure #1?
And to clarify further, it’s not the nasty comments themselves but the absence of any rebukes by other netizens that surprises me. On North American national news comment threads, one finds racist, sexist, homophobic, and other bigoted comments. However, these hateful posts rarely dominate a thread, and there are always others calling commenters on their hate speech. This doesn’t seem to be the case with Chinese (and Korean) news boards, and I wonder why this is. That is why I sought comments from TPD readers.
Because it was the first one to be numbered.
#48:
sonagi, one reason might be this:
because such a high number of koreans and chinese refuse to acknowledge that racism exists in their respective countries, they don’t find their bigoted comments or the bigoted comments of others offensive.
This thread is like an orgy of generalizing the Korean population about how they like to generalize. The hypocrisy is hilarious.
“Koreans hate everyone except Korean nationals. All Chinese are 3rd world, dirty, smelly people to Koreans. If Koreans don’t like it, them should shut the fuck up about others.”
Yes. Thank you so much for reminding me of how my genetic dispositions make me think. I’m going to go ahead and tell everyone I know who’s not Korean “Hey… Sorry about this, but my genes are telling me that I hate you.”
Classic racism…
“And to clarify further, it’s not the nasty comments themselves but the absence of any rebukes by other netizens that surprises me.”
Funny… I could have said the exactly the same thing about this thread.
I don’t understand why some posters here assume that Koreans are more tolerant of Chinese offenses compared to Japanese ones. Granted, the Roh administration was a major suck-up for China, but that’s just a retarded president. Majority of Koreans do not agree with his policies, including his foreign policies.
I must say that China, Japan and Korea all have their share of ignorant assholes who would senselessly denigrate other cultures and peoples. Even in this very blog, we have one such individual, Jing. I think one excellent site to look at Korean responses to various posts made in foreign forums is http://www.gesomoon.com. It’s a nice place if you want to read about ignorant assholes from all parts, including Koreans.
That aside, however, I’d like to say that among the nationalisms of the three countries, Chinese nationalism is the most threatening to peace and most rampant among its urban populations(I won’t say the same for rural populations because I haven’t experienced them), not to mention the Chinese government itself actively sponsors aggressive nationalism for political ends.
“http://www.koreadaily.com/asp/…..0108200200
Wouldn’t that expansion seriously mess with
the traffic around there though?”
Not much you can do about the traffic unless you relocate Seoul
Station, or bury some tracks.
In my opinion the best thing to do with Namdaemun is move it as
far south as possible, about 90 meters, and eliminate the lawn on
the south. Have pedestrians converge into a very cramped urban
gate/wall entrance area near the existing office tower, and lead
them through a small entrance in the wall/gate to the north
side. Once through the gate and into the city they enter
the great Namdaemun lawn, and move out to the
market, city hall, etc….turning back to see Namdaemun in all
its glory.
The old Seoul Station is torn down and the tracks leading
north are buried undeground as far north as the second
crossing. The vehicular overpass just north
of Seoul Staion is taken down, and in its place is a huge
“constant flow” traffic circle just northeast
of the Seoul Station. The main entrance to the new station is now
to the north, traffic no longer stops on the east side.
Departing Seoul Station travelers can see the gate’s rooftops in the distance lit up just above the wall.
or something
As far as the sentiment issue goes, I came to Korea not long after 9/11 and I had teachers as well as students tell me that “Americans deserved it.” I have seen the cartoons about 9/11 generated in Korea.
As far as phychological effects on people, watching Namdaemun burn hardly compares to watching people jump to their death out of a burning building.
I am not discounting the emotional response to seeing an historical landmark distroyed, but the feeling that one is being attacked by an “Outside” enemy holds a whole different set of emotions. No one in Korea felt under attack. Everyone in the United States did. That is the difference.
I agree with you, bumfromkorea. While I enjoy this blog thoroughly for its interesting contents (e.g. the recent post on the gates) and Koehler’s photo essays, I can’t help but notice that the behaviors of many commenters on this blog mirror the behaviors of those idiotic Korean/Chinese/whatevs “netizens” who make racially and culturally insenstive comments and get away with it. It’s unfortunate that the commenters who critize Koreans for being narrow-minded and racist seem to make some appalling generalizations such as this one themselves.
Well, I guess it’s a matter of taste. Frankly, I felt the same way when I went to the Great Wall.
Unlike, ahem, a certain other East Asian nation, scale hasn’t been an obsession of Korean traditional architecture.
Actually, the Japanese colonial government did. And the numbers don’t mean anything — they just represent the time order in which the properties were listed.
If it’s covered up, how do _you_ know about it?
As I’ve said a 1,000 times, expats take on the characteristics of their host nation to a greater degree than perhaps they’re given credit for.
I think that conclusion is off the mark. Most Chinese and Koreans would find obvious bigotry offensive. I think North American news threads are more balanced because a)some, though not all, of the commenters are members of the offended group; and b) non-members feel the need to distance themselves from the offenders.
i live in a korea-town in china (a very rich one where upper-middle class koreans live much more luxuriously than they would in korea), and in my opinion both groups tolerate eachother in a rather subtle way. but give them a chancce to whisper their true feelings and it is easy to see why their is a silent rivalry. koreans think chinese are lower on the pedestal (lack of plastic surgery, different levels of hygene, fashion, and speech), while chinese simply laugh at korean culture and let them do their thing here in china knowing full well that the future of asia is in china.
An old man on a train once told me that China is shaped like a chicken…and Korea is its beak. Once the chicken gains its beak (North Korea falls), it will lay the egg (Taiwan), and eat the worm (Japan). Then Asia will be the EU with the RMB becoming the Asian euro. This won’t happen until the next “year of the chicken” comes along though. It is amazing how much economics in Asia is based on dates and supersition. The burning of Namdaemun, by some, can only be seen as sign that the beak is weakening.
#55 - Many Koreans compare the Sungnyemun Fire to 9/11 because a national icon has been destroyed. The destruction of Sungnyemun was not nearly as terrible as 9/11 (most people would agree with me), but it should be understood that Sungnyemun was very symbolic. It represented Korea’s past and also its future, and the struggles in between (it survived the Japanese Occupation and the Korean War).
Lack of plastic surgery is considered lower on the pedestal?
Sonagi, why did you post this? Now Korea is getting bashed left, right, Chinese, and expats taking turns. LOL.
Yeah, Koreans shouldn’t have let the gate burn, so they deserve this.
And poo poo that Chosun Ilbo, they made that infamous stupid comment about 9/11. Now all of Korea is stuck with the label of trying to demean Americans and their tragedy 7 years ago.
“The burning of Namdaemun, by some, can only be seen as sign that the beak is weakening.”
Talk about weakening now. Do you think China is aiming to squash Korea or the US? My bet is on the latter. Evidence? The recent spy case of Boeing secrets being handed over to China. I would say the beak itself is the United States.
#61 - Haha, China is shaped like a chicken? Now that I think about it, it does. Although to me it looks more like a duck.
What you’re implying, though, is that China will one day conquer Taiwan, Korea, and Japan? I’m sorry, but I don’t think that will ever happen.
Actually you won’t here any arguement from me Marmot. I really don’t care for the great wall. Climbing the thing is a bitch and really once you’ve seen one part of it, you’ve seen it all. It really isn’t that interesting from the ground, but is more appreciable from the air.
However, I will disagree regarding the issue of scale. Bigger is always better when it comes to landmarks. Afterall the Egyptians didn’t try to build sequentially smaller pyramids.
Stop whining #51. Learn to recognize racism. I was telling you exactly how most Koreans act and think. You got any evidence to the contrary? I got A SHIT LOAD of evidence to back my opinion up. If you don’t like too bad. Like Koreans say, if you don’t like it, go somewhere else.
Hey English Teachers: “You are being watched!”
I remember quite a few Koreans were happy about 9/11. The rest worried about what may happen to their economy. No racism in Korea eh Bum? Just victims.
Koreans, if you stop talking trash about others, and you do…you may not get trash talked yourselves.
@AussieThunder
You know, I’m kinda bored and midterm just finished. I’ll play with you.
“Stop whining #51. Learn to recognize racism.”
I believe you’re the one who made statements like “Koreans are [insert various characteristics]“. How different is that from pawi’s statements like “Expats are [insert various characteristics].”?
“I was telling you exactly how most Koreans act and think.”
So, you know exactly how 24,000,000+ people act and think, huh? You must be either the world’s greatest/most efficient pollster/psychologist/anthropologist, or you must be a psychic. Personally, I think latter is more likely.
“I got A SHIT LOAD of evidence to back my opinion up.”
I wonder how many evidences can prove your ridiculously absolutist statement: “Koreans hate everyone except Korean nationals. All Chinese are 3rd world, dirty, smelly people to Koreans.”
Let me guess. They’re all quotes from netizens.
Once again, ‘Generalizing is bad unless I do it’ mentality strikes!
“I remember quite a few Koreans were happy about 9/11. The rest worried about what may happen to their economy.”
Well, at least you’re giving us two choices of opinions rather than one. I guess that’s an improvement.
“No racism in Korea eh Bum? Just victims.”
Lol… that’s it. Make stuff up. Makes you look more like an idiot.
A SHIT LOAD of evidence to show that MOST Koreans hate non-Koreans? OK, let’s see what you got.
May I assume by “the rest,” you’re including the Koreans who were laying flowers in front of the US embassy?
Maybe the Chinese are angry about this Hankyoreh reporter.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Korea/IE26Dg01.html
Is it me or has bum implicitly stated that he wants nothing to do with pawi? This from a guy who once defended pawi in public.
The Chinese have a massive superiority complex. Its practically driven into them with distorted history and communist propaganda about how China was the greatest country in the world.
So when there is a country out doing them they develop anti-xxxx sentiments. Japan and Korea are both extremely hated in China. The west is really hated, they resent the fact that Americans/Europeans are better than them.
Honestly China needs to be held down and bomb to shit, I hope as a Korean, the US smartens up and sends China back to the ching chong dynasty.
@#73
there are some comments that are so asinine, it has to be rebuked on. But then again, there are some comments that are really, really idiotic that doesn’t even need logical rebuttal. This, I believe, is such a case.
Well, bum, to be fair, your comments are sometimes idiotic too.
Honestly China needs to be held down and bomb to shit, I hope as a Korean, the US smartens up and sends China back to the ching chong dynasty.
You need to be raped by Rosie O’Donnell wearing a dildo strap.
@#76
Such as?
“Is it me or has bum implicitly stated that he wants nothing to do with pawi? This from a guy who once defended pawi in public.”
Lol, yes min. The discussion here is actually a team game of GyoposTM vs. ExpatsTM where I agree with everything pawi says just because I defended him once.
“You need to be raped by Rosie O’Donnell wearing a dildo strap.”
I bow down to your greatness, Netizen Kim. How did you come up with that one? Awesome..totally awesome.
But damn frightening image.
#79.
Since this is an Expat vs Kyopo spat and since you are part of the Kyopo team, yeah one can assume that you are agreeing with him. Unless of course, you think pawi is part of the Expat team?
Also what’s it with the Expats and Kyopos spat? Why are American and Canadian citizens, who know little about Korea, for that matter, arguing with their countrymen, about Korea?
And now, you can’t even detect sarcasm anymore. I guess I’ll have to spell it out in plain language.
Just because I agreed and/or defended pawi on one issue does not inherently means that I agree with every issue with pawi. It’s really stupid to think that gyopos think alike (your assertion) - in fact, as stupid as thinking that expats think alike (pawi’s assertion).
And what idiotic things have I said in the past, mins?
I was also being sarcastic. Of course you haven’t detected that either.
Lol. Touche.
And it looks like bum helps prove the common Korean stereotype that Kyopos have no manners at all.
Lol… this is just going to be strings of personal attacks, isn’t it? I’ll read it tomorrow.
Personal attacks? LOL. Wow, bum you do live in utopia.
Let’s do this bitch MadLibs style
Bumfromkorea, wasn’t your comment at 75 a response to Korean-Canadian’s post which is now at 74?
I would have sworn min’s post, the following cm’s at 72, didn’t exist at the time I read your post.
If not, or if you don’t understand what I’m writing about, nevermind.
BTW, I must have anger-management issues because, frankly, if I could take a wooden bat and crack it over the skulls of racist knucklehead kyopos such as Korean-Canadian above, I think I would. Well, not really…. I’d hate to be one of those “kyopos with no manners” which Uncle Mins seems bent on proving.
This blog is so complex at times.
Mins, I don’t get you, man.
Why are you picking on Bum? He’s one of the more reasonable and sane kyopo’s on this forum, unlike me.
Bumfromkorea’s all right in my book.
And just to clear things up, I believe 75 was about Korean-Canadian’s post, but the numberings changed once I OK’d some comments being held in the Moderation List.
The only kyopo I know of who can be considered as “reasonable and sane” is WangKon936. The others, I wonder why they act in a matter that leaves them wide open to criticism by the other non-Korean commentators here.
Right, a Korean cannot be critical of Korea without being called Uncle something or other, ironically by Americans, who are under the illusion that they are part of the big happy clan.
Your thinking has some flaws, Min.
You care too much about what others, esp non-Koreans think. This is what I hate most about old-fashioned Korean thinking. It is so obsequious. It is not dignified behavior.
I wouldn’t have such a problem with you if you applied your standard across the board. The expats are certainly not above criticism here but you seem to single out kyopos. Why is that?
You need not feel so apologetic about what other kyopos say or how they behave. It’s no reflection on you. We are all individuals, responsible only for our own words and actions. What you need to be more concerned are the asinine generalizations, esp by these expats, which they reinforce time and time again about Koreans.
Are Korean students taught that all Chinese people smell and don’t take showers or wash their hair often enough?
If I had 천원 for every time that when Chinese people were being discussed by me with a Korean that they were very quick to make sure that I knew that Chinese people were dirty and smell…
This includes conversations with Korean lawyers, researchers, stewardesses, and other people with an educated background or in international positions. I’m sure that Chinese people, thanks to the three quarters of a billion who live in near poverty in the countryside, on average can’t clean up as well as richer Korea, but until I’ve been educated by Korean people, I didn’t realize that all Chinese are clearly very filthy being.
Hey wait a minute I am confused here…
Both Netizen Kim and mins hate Koreans? Or do they both hate kyopos? Or do they hate white people in Korea? Or do they hate white people in foreign countries? Or does one of them hate kyopos and the other hate Koreans?
I thought one of them or both of them are kyopos..or are both white guys posing as kyopos who hate each other? Or do they really like each other but pretend to hate each other?
What a tangled web we weave here. You guys help a brother out. I need the cliff notes for this soap opera.
bbundaegi, you bring the beer and whatever beer snacks you want and i’ll bring the cliffs notes.
i’m completely lost myself, so much so that i can’t summon enough energy to respond to sonagi’s response to my response to her opinion of something about koreans and chinese.
we may not get it all right, who’s whom and where who’s from and who’s wearing what and all, but at least we’ll have a few drinks and a bit of fun.
and who knows, we might even be able to parlay our version of the cliffs notes into a marketable screenplay or something…?
Actually I don’t care what the other non-Koreans and/or expats for that matter think. If I did I would be spending a lot of time battling it out with the non-Korean/expat commentators here. Just like pawi, bum, and cm.
Yes you’re right expats are not above criticism. Actually I didn’t care much about the kyopo commentators here either. I mean if they wanted to battle it out with the expats, well it’s their choice. Now as I once said I don’t mind criticism, there are commentators who disagree with me, say it in a respectable manner, and I leave it at that. But if a commentator start calling me “Uncle Kim”, or something like that whether they be expat or kyopo, I certainly wouldn’t treat them with respect. You will recall that there are two Canadian(not Korean Canadian) commentators that I’m not really fond of.
Who said I was feeling apologetic regarding what others kyopos say?
Aw, c’mon, guys, let’s not end the week this way. We’ve got a whole weekend to dis each others’ identities. Friday, 5 pm, and I’m thinking beers will do everyone a world ‘o good. Let’s call this one a tie and head for the Hof.
beers? I assumed you’d be off sniffing girls hair in gangnam station again this friday evening.
Well I wouldn’t mind a beer. Not sure about the anti-expat commentators, though.
So have Linkd been slapped by one of the girls in question? Or been dragged to the nearest police box?
99 was a reference to linkd’s “poetry” a weekend or so back.
mins, why are you here? i thought you said you were going on vacation. let this fellow korean give you some advice about quitting the marmot’s hole: forget it!
i’ve promised myself many times that i was done with this place only to discover an irresistible urge to return. i’ve finally accepted that i will be visiting until it’s closed or marmot ejects me.
you’ll be doing the same.
ps i can’t stand you either but rest assured i’d be by your sorry side if someone attacked you for simply being an expat korean.
As just one humble white-American with vague pretensions of knowing something in general about the history of the development of human civilization, i have to say they are one ethnic group that kinda deserves to have one. Most Chinese that i’ve met, and that’s been more than a few, handle it with good Confucian politeness, Daoist perspective and Buddhist grace — they just know and assume the reality that was, are quietly proud and loyal, don’t try to push it in anybody’s face. It seems that many of their younger internet posters do not display these qualities, but they will probably mature over time, as the new dynasty of their nation does.
I would say that’s just plain History — don’t know what you have read or seen or heard to the contrary. Considering some fairly rigorous criteria for that title, China has in fact been the greatest country in the world a number of different times in the past — distinctly more times than any other nation on earth. The only way you have any competition at all is if you consider all of Europe as one unit — and even then China comes out ahead.
I’m not any kind of raging Sinophile for emotional reasons — my heart is with America and Korea in fact. But it seems to me to be just objective reality — anybody with a survey of global history over the past 3000 years that has a different conclusion, i’d truly be interested to listen to it…
And nothing of Korea’s history can be understood without this perspective, that from its beginning Korea grew up in the shadow of this huge incredible “older brother” civilization — imitating and maintaining distinctions and competing and admiring and rivalry and fighting against and submitting to and maintaining independence from.
@102
Your loyalty to mins is touching. But, who would ever attack someone simply for being an expat?
@103 sanshinseon,
Maybe you should actually be friends with some Chinese first, instead of basing you opinion of media and history.
Confucian principles, collectivist culture and everything that comes with that does not work. What you get are a group of petty people who get jealous of everything. Honestly the Chinese are probably the most jealous people on the planet, I refer mostly to men though.
You develop a superiority complex to combat insecurity. Chinese have zero concept of being security or confident, they’re too busy rationalizing their shitiness.
China was great? It was conquered for half its history by different people. Tell me what made China the greatest? It is huge, but far from great. Chinese have disgusting manners and are probably the most ugly people on the planet. I have yet to see a good looking Chinese person and I fail to see how any country can be great when they surpress everything.
Korea’s history can be understood with or without China. Korea’s culture and history is influenced by Buddhism not China, but given our location things are transmitted through China from India & Tibet.
The truth is China has little to do with most culture in Asia. If you knew exactly what Confucius’ teachings were you’d realize that most Asian countries have almost nothing to do with Confucius.
The central conduit of culture is Buddhism, most of Confucius’ ideas and the same with Taoism existed long after Buddhism was founded.
The real center of Asian culture is India, not China.
Hey, let’s all come together in unity to celebrate our common hatred of the Japs.