Heh- the post-production work on that is pretty good, but they could have been a little neater on the breasts in the third pic. Her right breast has a strange line on it. The fourth picture is funny, in a sad, unrealistic way. Too bad, because it could have been really good. First two are hot, though, for sure.
‘Nice booty! I wonder how much she paid for that nose?’
‘Surgery- does a body good!’
most expats love to disparage korean women while they go and on about the korean man’s mistreatment of her. most of the time, they disparage the k lady by casually referring to her as a whore. however, depending on the subject, they also like to accuse any attractive k lady as being a man made beauty.
and yet, almost every expat on this board is in korea because of the woman he casually disparages.
and yet, i have yet to see a korean man on this board do the same.
’she thought she got a cadillac but what she really got, was a yugo.’ meiyounutsi daugaochu. ancient chinese poet
Nothing necessarily disparaging about noticing that someone has obviously had work done. It speaks more to the audience than the person having it done, in my opinion.
The irony, pawi, of your marks against the comments you quoted use the male pronoun, and while I can’t speak for both of us, they’re not necessarily made by men.
Seems a little bit like you were looking for something to react to rather than reading the comments and having a discussion about them.
Pawi apparently never reads Korean language media or blogs. If he did, he’d know that outing entertainers who’ve had plastic surgery is a favorite pasttime. Try Navering “곽현화 성형수술,” Pawi, and see if it’s only expats who think Ms. Kwak isn’t all natural.
Ms. Kwak’s bum looks much better when it hasn’t been blown out of proportion by some Photoshop fiend:
In light of #22, either of you care to clarify your views? And another thing, I find it absolutely amazing that you two, you two r-a-c-i-s-t-s, accuse others of disparaging anyone.
In light of #22, either of you care to clarify your views? And another thing, I find it absolutely amazing that you two, you two r-a-c-i-s-t-s, accuse others of disparaging anyone.
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I didn’t really notice she was Korean until Pawi pointed it out. I was too busy looking at her other ass-ets. Man-made or not, she’s smokin’! I sure wouldn’t be kicking her out of bed– does that make me racist?
This is not the first time I’ve mentioned this (nor will it most likely be the last), but Pawi, you really need to stop blaming every shitty little thing that’s happened to you on expats. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror at the person who is really to blame for all your misfortunes. Better yet, go read Mike’s post. Describes you to a “t”.
Us expats may bitch and complain about Korea sometimes, but only because it’s so culturally illogical (see Mike’s post), we can’t help it. It doesn’t mean we hate Korea, only that we can not see how a society can survive by revering old men who demand respect yet have no respect for those around them.
Quit pickling your brain with soju, go visit our cousins to the north and burn a few j’s. Chill out dude, every comment we make is not an attack on Korea, in contrast to every comment you make being an attack on foreigners. Contrary to popular belief, we are not here to steal your women and corrupt your children, but here to help make Korea the globalized country it so desperately wants to be.
What are you doing? Sitting in America, enjoying the fruits of OUR labors? Studying at OUR world-class universities? Working for a company that actually listens to what you have to say, no matter how low you may be on the corporate ladder (that may be stretching it a bit, but still…)? Maybe I’m calling the kettle black, but then that would make me a racist, since I’m white.
Korea on “street level” must be like the river which is never stepped into twice. I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to actually know it, although it’s easy enough to average out and imagine. One supposes there isn’t a vast cultural difference between the average Korean on the streets and the average Korean on TV or the net, the latter type being quite easy to understand. One tries to account for levels of apathy, individuality, and diversity, and adjusts for the daily toil the Korean on the streets would be dealing with and uses the information to modify what one takes to be the Korean in the full, abstracted cultural sense.
I suppose in this way, being the simple predictable creatures that we are, kyopos and expats are also very easy to understand. Seriously.
Anyway, the folk on this blog might be more familiar with Gwak from this number:
once again, we see the expat lose all sense of himself as he goes into attack mode. an expat can never address the issue even though he understands every word. he doesn’t like it when someone exposes him for who he is. tsk, tsk, tsk…..
‘… we are… here to help make Korea the globalized country it so desperately wants to be.’
lol! korea doesn’t need your ‘help’ since it’s already globalized. accepting your unshaven self is not a sign of globalization. it’s a sign of how tolerant koreans are.
man, the expat really is full of himself, isn’t he?
ps sonagi, we all know how certain your assumptions are, don’t we, arrogant white lady?
Virtually every post you write contains baseless assumptions and generalizations. Please explain once again why it’s okay for Koreans to speculate about celebrities and cosmetic surgery but not okay for others.
To borrow from another thread and MetroMichael, no cranky ajeossi gets cut as much slack here as pawi. It’s like affirmative action for the terminally illogical.
I am sort of lost since I am jumping right in, but are you sayhing that this hot comedienne, Ms. Gwak, was caught prostituting herself? I am so mesmerized by that video of her bouncing babies that I really couldn’t care less if she was a drug dealing hooker! I think she is damn fine for the reason that she isn’t “perfect” like these artificial models and celebrities. She has that level of slight imperfection but still holding that perfect ass which makes her even sexier. Plus, a lady who makes her living by making people laugh but at the same time has great looks is sooooo much more attractive than models whose only value is the latter. Does anyone understand where I am coming from?
Also, sort of off the topic, WJK, but hey…I was wondering if you like the Boston Red Sox too.:) Also, what is your general opinion of fans of the Yankees..especially those who live in Manhattan and go to games only when their bosses give them box seats tickets? What about those intelligent bleacher creatures? LOL.
Hmph. Seems to be working. Nothing left to say to me? Figures. Another comments drive-by. Yawn. And here I was hoping for something intelligent to respond to.
I always thought comedians who are successful in Korean TV must be absolute comedic geniuses… not because their acts are necessarily funny (though there are gems among the steaming pile of feces), but because they can make people laugh despite the insanely strict censor board that controls the Korean television.
I heard that these comedians have a semi-clandestine comedy club where they perform stuff that would never, ever pass the censors. Is that true?
Thanks for your input. Yankees fans are so damn annoying and bogus in my opinion…at least those who jumped on the bandwagon from the 90’s. So many of them are the ones who live in Manhattan and get box seats from their bosses.
You know, I used to post photos of hot chicks to promote social cohesion. Koreans, expats, gyopo, left-wingers, right-wingers — everyone likes T&A. T&A is supposed to bring the world together. But if this is how you guys are going to react, it’ll be dry policy posts for now on!
wjk — I can tolerate a lot of the oft-times bizarre things you say on this blog, including the incessant Japan-bashing, but you’re skating on thin ice when you attack the Yankees around here.
“You know, I used to post photos of hot chicks to promote social cohesion. Koreans, expats, gyopo, left-wingers, right-wingers — everyone likes T&A. T&A is supposed to bring the world together. But if this is how you guys are going to react, it’ll be dry policy posts for now on!”
i, for one, accused of being a wacko left-winger on occasion, will pretend to be a wacko right-winger if you, robert, would so kindly continue to post such photos. i am all for your such efforts at promoting social cohesion and will gladly do my part to ensure that you feel its worth it to continue gracing our eyes with such loveliness.
on a side note, if you’ll notice, there was cohesion on this thread in regards to the lovely ms. gwak until post 14.
you guys have three guesses as to who authored post 14–though you won’t need even one guess, as most of us already know who that is.
You know, I used to post photos of hot chicks to promote social cohesion. Koreans, expats, gyopo, left-wingers, right-wingers — everyone likes T&A. T&A is supposed to bring the world together.
I realize the Hole is unofficially a heterosexual men’s club, but we seem to have picked up a new female member, Pixel. Let’s not scare her off with pics of ugly chicks sporting enlarged silicone noses and breasts and blown up booties, fodder for silly threads soiled by verbal fluids spilled by foolish boys who can’t tell the difference between plastic and genuine pearls.
Pictures of natural beauties in Korea are just not easy to find nowadays. I mean, I know perfectly good looking Korean ladies who go under the knife when they don’t really need the work. Boggles my mind.
Well, at least North Korea has a natural resource that’s in short supply in the South…
You call having a Macdonald’s, Pizza Hut, Starbucks and Face shop, globalized? I call that a sorry state of affairs. I never went to those place in America, and I only go there now because I have no other choice. Or how about the 1% foreigner population– does that make Korea globalized? Our maybe we can switch continents and look at the revolving doors of management at Kia. Or better yet, the fact that the new Incheon International City AND new subway extension are both being overseen by foreign firms because Korea lacks the skilled engineers to do it themselves. What a joke.
What issue are we talking about again? The fact that Pawi can’t comment on this blog without attacking every foreigner? I thought we were looking at some T&A. DissedentDave got it right, we were all having fun until YOU showed up at post 14 and hijacked the thread. If I were Robert, I’d have banned your ass for destroying the social cohesion he was trying to create, but I also respect his decision to allow your sorry comments as a way of showing what a fool you really are. Even WJK makes more sense than Pawi. You’re just a hit and run troll. All hot air, but no substance.
And BTW, my wife, who is Korean, can’t wait to get out of this country– I’m the one keeping her here. After she met me, and thru me, a whole lot more foreigners, she figured out what assholes the average ajossi and ajumma really can be and how much the Korean media has lied to her all her life about foreigners. All her Korean friends tend be of the younger, more open-minded variety and/or married to foreigners because they, as a whole, see the same shit wrong with Korea as us expats do. Does that make her a racist or any less nationalistic than you? She points out surgical work way more than I do, and usually she will then tell me all about that person’s career up’s and down’s as a result of said surgery. Believe me, she gets just as pissed off at my Korea-bashing, but for different reasons– because she is ashamed of the way some Koreans are, not because I’m wrong. At least she has the balls (so to speak)to admit it’s not all rainbows in the land of the rising sun. What experiences do you have here in Korea? You’re an English-as-first-language Kyopo, Pawi, living in America. What kind of rights does that give you as a commenter on Korea policies or the word in the street? You’re not even here! Just because you happen to be Korean? shit, my wife is a Korean, born in Korea, who speaks Korean as a first language, and even she thinks you are a fool.
some of you people belong on dave’s elscafe. i come to the marmot’s to get away from first year hakwon teachers who complain about kimchee. maybe the marmot’s has turned into an online version of the seoul pub or three-alleys on a saturday afternoon.
korea has filled thy cup. be thankful for your hot korean wives, and the culture that drove them into your arms and paid you stupid amounts of money for whatever it is you do.
oh, believe me I am thankful. I love this country, and I love my mother-in-law’s kimchee even more, even if I do think it is ass-backwards sometimes.
One more thing before I’m off to corrupt the minds of Korean youth, (for the fourth year running), I have NEVER met a foreigner who has called my wife a whore, but I have met PLENTY of Korean men who have spit at her and called her a whore to her face because we were walking down the street holding hands. It was then, that I learned that a foreigner should never hit a Korean no matter how justified. I even had one guy hunt me down thru immigration and try to get me deported six months later after he attacked me and I defended myself. The cop handling the case, was pretty apologetic because I had to deal with such an asshole– he looked like he wanted to jump over the desk and hit the guy himself, and the accuser was pretty put out when he discovered I couldn’t be deported because I was married. I still got a fine for fighting (and admitting to it), but then so did my accuser. First rule of fight club– don’t admit to it, deny, deny, deny.
Thanks for the comment. I’ve been lurking here for quite literally years (god, how many new addresses did the Hole have for a while there? Seemed like every time I turned around the domain was changing), and may have posted ages ago but don’t remember for certain.
I’m no stranger to the T&A of the site, and I think it’s fine. I can hold my own with my boys and really, I appreciate people just being up front about all the ogling and what not rather than pretending they don’t do it. Meh. It’s just regular life, isn’t it?
Anyhow, Robert, don’t let ME dissuade you from posting girlie and NSFW pics/links. It’s the conservative bent that gets to me
be careful, though, that last comment of yours above
“it’s the conservative bent that gets to me”
will get you branded forever as a wacko liberal left-winger (not that there’s anything wrong with it, of course!!), which some here will never let go of, regardless of what the future leanings of your thoughts and opinions might be.
haha- I knew that would raise a few hackles. Actually, Dave, it’s that hacking by right-wing nutjobs on the wacko liberal left-winger bit that has left me lurking for a while. Anyhow, it’s more of the “not interested in conversation” bit by some posters than whatever branding may come that bugs me. Worst case I’ll take off my socks and put them on my hands as it seems some others like to do.
After she met me, and thru me, a whole lot more foreigners, she figured out what assholes the average ajossi and ajumma really can be and how much the Korean media has lied to her all her life about foreigners.
Every anecdote like the above I read makes me think that wife and expat have particular sessions set out for themselves in which they discuss why the wife is so grateful to be married to a foreigner and the flaws of the Korean man and Korean society. It’s as if man & wife are sitting around somewhere on some regular basis going down a laundry list of negatives or something, like a ritual which the couple performs in order to rotely justify their marriage to themselves.
I think expats should think twice about relaying these accounts about their wives or framing their personalities in such a way. It makes everyone look bad. I mean, did tz247’s wife one day say “I’ve been lied to all my life about foreigners” and such? Does she even speak English or does tz speak Korean? Ridiculous. Do these wives rant on and on about “Koreans” in their conversations with their husbands and see everything in black and white, as “Korean” this and “wayguk” that? If so, it’s pretty fucked up, and it’s become a stereotype.
#57: “Every anecdote like the above I read makes me think that wife and expat have particular sessions set out for themselves in which they discuss why the wife is so grateful to be married to a foreigner and the flaws of the Korean man and Korean society.”
well, abc, as a roundeye married to a korean woman and living in korea, my wife and i DO have a particular set of ground rules, written into our marriage vows, which explicitly stipulates that she must set aside no less than one hour a day to reiterate her gratefulness that i saved her from the flaws of korean man and society (forgetting, of course, that her brother and father are also korean men).
as a fair-minded, wacked-out, pinko stoner liberal dissident, however, i also think it’s only right that i deign to take at least 15 minutes per day to thank her for saving me from the flaws of american women and society. after all, since american women don’t stay home to cook and clean anymore, i was tired of coming home to a messy house and chips and salsa for dinner every night. i also was tired of not sleeping in the same bed with an american woman because the enormousness of their asses meant there was no room for me, her, and her pro-imperialistic ways.
Robert recently posted a link to two youtube videos about “yellow fever”. I couldn’t but help read some of the comments over at youtube. One of the posters wrote something like “I’m a white male with yellow fever.. because I hate white American women. They’re lying and dishonest and can’t be trusted”. Well, I think that’s fucked up too but at the same time curious. For whatever reason, the same behavior in the Korean setting seems far more deplorable whereas in the American settings it’s more like an oddball joke.
abc, i hope you know i was only poking fun at both sides of the racially mixed couple issue because it’s too funny not to make fun of (and not poking fun at you for your comments).
I saw your intent but nonethess your joke highlights a few things which support the point I’m trying to make. It’s obvious that calling some group of women fat or dishonest or something is wrong. But, on the one hand, this behavior is difficult to take seriously when it’s aimed at American women, and this point is reflected in your post by the fact that you were making fun. One doesn’t see bashing against white women often. On the other hand, I see tz’s sort of post very often, so much so that it’s predictable. Yet tz’s post above is mild in comparison to other posts I’ve read which more than anything give me the impression of self-hating Korean women who feel the need to engage in Korea-bashing for the sake of consolidating their relationships with their husbands. It’s pathetic. But I’m not pointing this out to criticize these women. I’m pointing this out to criticize the expat’s proclivity to write about these women and reveal what kind of individuals they are. It does nobody any good and just reinforces a negative stereotype I’ve developed in my mind from reading these blogs.
K-wife and non-K hub have these mutual goals to leave Korea, because the alternative is
1/ pay US college like money to educate bi racial kids out of K public schools
2/ leave Korea, go to North America, US.
I wonder if Hong Kong or Japan or Taiwan is more tolerant.
Bottom line why they have this goal. Not because K women self hates. Because ROK is very racist towards waegookin. You’re talking about a land where school children will be harassed daily if they are proven to be half Chinese or half Japanese, even.
For Korea’s advancement, this must stop.
Some outsiders have said that Koreans were never one people, and that the Japanese made the Koreans believe that Koreans are one people, dan-il-min-jok. Given that Japanese influence in Korea started at least effectively since 1880s to 1979 (Okamoto modeled ROK development as a carbon copy of Japan, if you didn’t ever realize)
We seem to be running the gambit in this one, but remember its cause which is actually pawi. Thus, if you love the hole, then, by transitivity, you must love pawi who is responsible for the length of this thread. Think about it.
#45. Marmot, I am down on my knees prostrate, praying harder than a heathen, that you do not institute such a policy! Even after all of the odd-ball posts, I can’t get my attention off of the lovely comedian.
I knew tz247 was gonna get flamed for claiming to save a Kgirl. While I can understand his viewpoint, hopefully everyone can understand how such a comment, despite it’s degree of validity, would be offensive to a Korean man. (It also makes pawi hate us ALL more.)
I’m not claiming to have saved any Kgirls (yet), but have met some girls who are hell-bent on not dating/marrying Korean men because they have heard stories from their married female friends, are too familiar with room-salon antics of 아저씨’s (don’t get me started), or other reasons. I think this is stupid though… excluding an entire race?
My current gf (Korean), however, hasn’t made any declarations to marry outside of her race, and has dated korean, gyopo, and foreigner, but, based on stories that she’s heard from married (to Korean) female friends, she’d decided long ago not to get married because of the resulting bad image she developed of married women’s life. Of course, now that she’s met me, she’s changed her mind.
Anyway, man that comedien is hot, I wouldn’t mind saving HER for awhile.
sonagi, your focus is wrong. and please, don’t tell me someone as smart as you didn’t understand the point of my post. you most certainly did. you’re just pretending you didn’t.
‘The irony, pawi, of your marks against the comments you quoted use the male pronoun, and while I can’t speak for both of us, they’re not necessarily made by men.’ pixel
are you for real? are you saying they’re lesbians? lol! did you see al-theia come back and praise big beautiful butt?
lastly, may i ask you politely if you are a product of your country’s school system?
I’m not sure why a woman who thinks another woman is beautiful has to be a lesbian or queer in any way. Can you look at a flower and see it as beautiful? A building? A car? I’m not sure why I can’t talk about a woman as “hot” or “beautiful” without you assuming I’m creaming in my pants. If cars, bikes, food, and other designed objects can be hot and have the word “pr0n” suffixed to them, I’m sure I (and others) can manage to appreciate the aesthetics of a human body without getting all hot and bothered. Good grief. If you had taken a little more time to read the stuff in the paragraph above what you wrongly assumed to be a disparaging comment you’d notice that the bulk of my comment dealt with poorly-done photo manipulation. (Are you even reading this? I know it’s more than one sentence per paragraph).
As for a-lethia, I’m don’t really know anything about him/her, you’ll have to take up your gripes directly.
As far as education is concerned, are we not nearly all the products of our country’s school systems (or at least what we think of as “our country”) plus the self-study and other non-curricular education we have completed? I’m not sure which nation you are assuming that to be (your jumping to conclusions is certainly making you look foolish). Don’t take the flags by people’s names at face value; they have certainly been wrong before.
and it can be safely assumed that there are a few here at the Hole who would call “queer” or “homosexual” a guy who casually critiqued another dude’s bod, especially if he deemed it to be “hot” or something. in my opinion, pixel, that would be no different than your having said that the lovely ms. gwak’s first two pics were “hot, though, for sure”. what’s wrong with a man concurring with an opinion that another dude is hot?
as well, i believe my post in #58 would be called a sarcastic take on certain perpetuated stereotypes steadfastly rooted in cultures on both sides of the pacific.
*as an aside–and sadly, though it’s related to the original post by robert of the lovely ms. gwak’s photo shoot, i have to call it an “aside” for obvious reasons–may the depraved fates who help robert run the Hole NOT neglect the obvious hints in posts 47, 54, and 67 (as well as the more silenced overtures and less obvious pleas hidden in the rest of the other rants here) that other NSFW photos as they are discovered be given their rightful place in future Hole post hierarchy.
Glad you’ve come back out of the shadows, Pixel. The comment section could use more estrogen to balance all the testosterone. You’re on the mark about women evaluating the looks of other women. When a man sees a woman or an image of one, he asks himself, “Would I want to **** her?” while a woman asks herself, “Would I want to look like her?” Men do the same thing but seem fo focus on a specific part. Research tracking eye movements of internet users demonstrates that men stare at the groins not only of other men but of animals, too.
I never claimed to save my wife from the Korean male. I was just making an observation about her observations of the differences between Koreans and foreigners. If anybody would know, she would. Trust me when I say that I get in trouble all the time about making off-hand comments about Korea. She may understand the foreigner better than the average Korean, but she is still a Korean, and just as nationalistic as any other– she just tries to keep an open mind and look at it from my point of view. She doesn’t always agree. It’s not like we sit down once a day and talk about our differences, but she hangs out without enough foreigners bitching about Korea, it’s hard not to talk about it at some point. And in hindsight, maybe I’m more narrow-minded than she is about it all.
Maybe “lied” was the wrong word to use. Let’s say that the Korean Media skewed her perspective of foreigners to a point where it was no longer believable compared to the reality of her situation. Keep in mind, that although my foreigner friends are mostly men, her foreigner friends are mostly women and she acts totally different around them than she does around other Koreans because she feels that she can be ‘herself’ (her words, not mine). I have quite a few foreigner male acquaintances she doesn’t like anymore than Korean males– there are assholes in every culture, but she doesn’t meet new foreigners with the expectation that are assholes like she does with older Korean males. Koreans closer to our age are a different story. More open minded, yada, yada, yada.
And really, who’s saving who? As far as any of you know, I could be some butt-ugly dude who had no better future then sitting in my parents’ basement spending my time making half-assed comments about how every body else is to blame for my faults on blogs half way around the world…
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Nothing funny about her — that’s some very serious breastage.
I disagree. She looks very funny — a comic genius.
She’s my new favorite comedian — and I’ve never heard her.
Nice!
Goes against the stereotype that comedians are not attractive.
Reminds me of that Yanpa article:
“Comedian Has Hilariously Firm Breasts”
she’s kinda ugly.
You’re kinda high.
Nice booty! I wonder how much she paid for that nose?
Heh- the post-production work on that is pretty good, but they could have been a little neater on the breasts in the third pic. Her right breast has a strange line on it. The fourth picture is funny, in a sad, unrealistic way. Too bad, because it could have been really good. First two are hot, though, for sure.
Surgery- does a body good!
Mr. Seo should pay some money to get those pics in the NYT *high five*
I wonder what her thoughts are on breast implants? Pro or con?
#10 — I would be against breast implants, but my wife refuses to get them.
@Zonath-
Zing! Heh heh.
i never seen her on tv!
good lord in heaven!!!
‘Nice booty! I wonder how much she paid for that nose?’
‘Surgery- does a body good!’
most expats love to disparage korean women while they go and on about the korean man’s mistreatment of her. most of the time, they disparage the k lady by casually referring to her as a whore. however, depending on the subject, they also like to accuse any attractive k lady as being a man made beauty.
and yet, almost every expat on this board is in korea because of the woman he casually disparages.
and yet, i have yet to see a korean man on this board do the same.
’she thought she got a cadillac but what she really got, was a yugo.’ meiyounutsi daugaochu. ancient chinese poet
pawi, thank you, sincerely, for finally using “most expats” this time and not implying “all.”
But you still come off as a disgruntled expat hater.
and, I can’t always tell who “on this board” is a korean man or otherwise. I wonder how you seem to know.
abcdefg, wanggon, wjk, baduk, bumfromkorea, cm, pawikirogi.
all korean guys. all regular posters.
now you know.
JK (a Korean guy) used to disparage non-Korean women, oft referring to the smell of their nether regions, IIRC.
That said, I see pawi’s point.
pawi forgot seoulmilk and a couple of others.
NICE ASS!
Pawi,
I said she got a hot ass, now leave me alone.
@pawi-
Nothing necessarily disparaging about noticing that someone has obviously had work done. It speaks more to the audience than the person having it done, in my opinion.
The irony, pawi, of your marks against the comments you quoted use the male pronoun, and while I can’t speak for both of us, they’re not necessarily made by men.
Seems a little bit like you were looking for something to react to rather than reading the comments and having a discussion about them.
gravatar check.
Pawi apparently never reads Korean language media or blogs. If he did, he’d know that outing entertainers who’ve had plastic surgery is a favorite pasttime. Try Navering “곽현화 성형수술,” Pawi, and see if it’s only expats who think Ms. Kwak isn’t all natural.
Ms. Kwak’s bum looks much better when it hasn’t been blown out of proportion by some Photoshop fiend:
http://news.mk.co.kr/newsRead......mp;sID=302
Pawi and Dogbert,
In light of #22, either of you care to clarify your views? And another thing, I find it absolutely amazing that you two, you two r-a-c-i-s-t-s, accuse others of disparaging anyone.
Is Kwak actually funny?
And just who are you again?
Dogbert is a racist??
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I didn’t really notice she was Korean until Pawi pointed it out. I was too busy looking at her other ass-ets. Man-made or not, she’s smokin’! I sure wouldn’t be kicking her out of bed– does that make me racist?
This is not the first time I’ve mentioned this (nor will it most likely be the last), but Pawi, you really need to stop blaming every shitty little thing that’s happened to you on expats. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror at the person who is really to blame for all your misfortunes. Better yet, go read Mike’s post. Describes you to a “t”.
Us expats may bitch and complain about Korea sometimes, but only because it’s so culturally illogical (see Mike’s post), we can’t help it. It doesn’t mean we hate Korea, only that we can not see how a society can survive by revering old men who demand respect yet have no respect for those around them.
Quit pickling your brain with soju, go visit our cousins to the north and burn a few j’s. Chill out dude, every comment we make is not an attack on Korea, in contrast to every comment you make being an attack on foreigners. Contrary to popular belief, we are not here to steal your women and corrupt your children, but here to help make Korea the globalized country it so desperately wants to be.
What are you doing? Sitting in America, enjoying the fruits of OUR labors? Studying at OUR world-class universities? Working for a company that actually listens to what you have to say, no matter how low you may be on the corporate ladder (that may be stretching it a bit, but still…)? Maybe I’m calling the kettle black, but then that would make me a racist, since I’m white.
I doubt that the kyopos here know and understand what the average Korean on the street is thinking or what the mood in Korea is at street level.
#29.
My words exactly.
Korea on “street level” must be like the river which is never stepped into twice. I don’t think it’s possible for anyone to actually know it, although it’s easy enough to average out and imagine. One supposes there isn’t a vast cultural difference between the average Korean on the streets and the average Korean on TV or the net, the latter type being quite easy to understand. One tries to account for levels of apathy, individuality, and diversity, and adjusts for the daily toil the Korean on the streets would be dealing with and uses the information to modify what one takes to be the Korean in the full, abstracted cultural sense.
I suppose in this way, being the simple predictable creatures that we are, kyopos and expats are also very easy to understand. Seriously.
Anyway, the folk on this blog might be more familiar with Gwak from this number:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=snZOaE_IXdI
once again, we see the expat lose all sense of himself as he goes into attack mode. an expat can never address the issue even though he understands every word. he doesn’t like it when someone exposes him for who he is. tsk, tsk, tsk…..
‘… we are… here to help make Korea the globalized country it so desperately wants to be.’
lol! korea doesn’t need your ‘help’ since it’s already globalized. accepting your unshaven self is not a sign of globalization. it’s a sign of how tolerant koreans are.
man, the expat really is full of himself, isn’t he?
ps sonagi, we all know how certain your assumptions are, don’t we, arrogant white lady?
‘pawi’s first language is korean.’ sonagi.
‘my first language is english.’ pawi
does sonagi have small boobs?
by the way, why does it excite the miguk saram, that
a 40 year old Korean momma was caught prostituting herself?
Because it solidifies the miguk saram’s false belief that ROK is a nation of whores from teenagers to halmuhnees?
Must be so.
Take heart. Miguk, Europe, or Cannabia saram.
Your wife or girl friend…How does she manage to escape your assumed stats?
Pawi,
Virtually every post you write contains baseless assumptions and generalizations. Please explain once again why it’s okay for Koreans to speculate about celebrities and cosmetic surgery but not okay for others.
And let’s not forget the gratuitous racial references.
To borrow from another thread and MetroMichael, no cranky ajeossi gets cut as much slack here as pawi. It’s like affirmative action for the terminally illogical.
Hey WJK,
I am sort of lost since I am jumping right in, but are you sayhing that this hot comedienne, Ms. Gwak, was caught prostituting herself? I am so mesmerized by that video of her bouncing babies that I really couldn’t care less if she was a drug dealing hooker! I think she is damn fine for the reason that she isn’t “perfect” like these artificial models and celebrities. She has that level of slight imperfection but still holding that perfect ass which makes her even sexier. Plus, a lady who makes her living by making people laugh but at the same time has great looks is sooooo much more attractive than models whose only value is the latter. Does anyone understand where I am coming from?
Also, sort of off the topic, WJK, but hey…I was wondering if you like the Boston Red Sox too.:) Also, what is your general opinion of fans of the Yankees..especially those who live in Manhattan and go to games only when their bosses give them box seats tickets? What about those intelligent bleacher creatures? LOL.
@ pawi-
Mic check 1-2 1-2.
Hmph. Seems to be working. Nothing left to say to me? Figures. Another comments drive-by. Yawn. And here I was hoping for something intelligent to respond to.
now, for something a bit more cheerful…until people start posting messages.
bbundaegi, I’m jumping threads.
The girl with huge boobies wasn’t caught prostituting as far as I know, and she’s not 40, nor a mommy.
I actually only like the New York Mets & Hanhwa Eagles.
I do have fond memories of the greatest ALCS collapse in all of baseball history, worldwide, wherever baseball is played.
I can hear it now, their bleachers yelling
2007 ! Boo, 2007 !
face it, New York Pigeons. You lost whatever you had over the Red Sox.
Aaaanyway…
I always thought comedians who are successful in Korean TV must be absolute comedic geniuses… not because their acts are necessarily funny (though there are gems among the steaming pile of feces), but because they can make people laugh despite the insanely strict censor board that controls the Korean television.
I heard that these comedians have a semi-clandestine comedy club where they perform stuff that would never, ever pass the censors. Is that true?
Thanks for your input. Yankees fans are so damn annoying and bogus in my opinion…at least those who jumped on the bandwagon from the 90’s. So many of them are the ones who live in Manhattan and get box seats from their bosses.
Speaking of the Korea League, how are the Hanwha Eagles by the way?
You know, I used to post photos of hot chicks to promote social cohesion. Koreans, expats, gyopo, left-wingers, right-wingers — everyone likes T&A. T&A is supposed to bring the world together. But if this is how you guys are going to react, it’ll be dry policy posts for now on!
wjk — I can tolerate a lot of the oft-times bizarre things you say on this blog, including the incessant Japan-bashing, but you’re skating on thin ice when you attack the Yankees around here.
32 …Korea is already globalized? guess you have a different definition than others, not that that would surprise anyone.
34 …did you write this or did pawi? hard to distinguish.
“You know, I used to post photos of hot chicks to promote social cohesion. Koreans, expats, gyopo, left-wingers, right-wingers — everyone likes T&A. T&A is supposed to bring the world together. But if this is how you guys are going to react, it’ll be dry policy posts for now on!”
i, for one, accused of being a wacko left-winger on occasion, will pretend to be a wacko right-winger if you, robert, would so kindly continue to post such photos. i am all for your such efforts at promoting social cohesion and will gladly do my part to ensure that you feel its worth it to continue gracing our eyes with such loveliness.
on a side note, if you’ll notice, there was cohesion on this thread in regards to the lovely ms. gwak until post 14.
you guys have three guesses as to who authored post 14–though you won’t need even one guess, as most of us already know who that is.
I realize the Hole is unofficially a heterosexual men’s club, but we seem to have picked up a new female member, Pixel. Let’s not scare her off with pics of ugly chicks sporting enlarged silicone noses and breasts and blown up booties, fodder for silly threads soiled by verbal fluids spilled by foolish boys who can’t tell the difference between plastic and genuine pearls.
got it, Mr. K.
# 48,
Pictures of natural beauties in Korea are just not easy to find nowadays. I mean, I know perfectly good looking Korean ladies who go under the knife when they don’t really need the work. Boggles my mind.
Well, at least North Korea has a natural resource that’s in short supply in the South…
You call having a Macdonald’s, Pizza Hut, Starbucks and Face shop, globalized? I call that a sorry state of affairs. I never went to those place in America, and I only go there now because I have no other choice. Or how about the 1% foreigner population– does that make Korea globalized? Our maybe we can switch continents and look at the revolving doors of management at Kia. Or better yet, the fact that the new Incheon International City AND new subway extension are both being overseen by foreign firms because Korea lacks the skilled engineers to do it themselves. What a joke.
What issue are we talking about again? The fact that Pawi can’t comment on this blog without attacking every foreigner? I thought we were looking at some T&A. DissedentDave got it right, we were all having fun until YOU showed up at post 14 and hijacked the thread. If I were Robert, I’d have banned your ass for destroying the social cohesion he was trying to create, but I also respect his decision to allow your sorry comments as a way of showing what a fool you really are. Even WJK makes more sense than Pawi. You’re just a hit and run troll. All hot air, but no substance.
And BTW, my wife, who is Korean, can’t wait to get out of this country– I’m the one keeping her here. After she met me, and thru me, a whole lot more foreigners, she figured out what assholes the average ajossi and ajumma really can be and how much the Korean media has lied to her all her life about foreigners. All her Korean friends tend be of the younger, more open-minded variety and/or married to foreigners because they, as a whole, see the same shit wrong with Korea as us expats do. Does that make her a racist or any less nationalistic than you? She points out surgical work way more than I do, and usually she will then tell me all about that person’s career up’s and down’s as a result of said surgery. Believe me, she gets just as pissed off at my Korea-bashing, but for different reasons– because she is ashamed of the way some Koreans are, not because I’m wrong. At least she has the balls (so to speak)to admit it’s not all rainbows in the land of the rising sun. What experiences do you have here in Korea? You’re an English-as-first-language Kyopo, Pawi, living in America. What kind of rights does that give you as a commenter on Korea policies or the word in the street? You’re not even here! Just because you happen to be Korean? shit, my wife is a Korean, born in Korea, who speaks Korean as a first language, and even she thinks you are a fool.
some of you people belong on dave’s elscafe. i come to the marmot’s to get away from first year hakwon teachers who complain about kimchee. maybe the marmot’s has turned into an online version of the seoul pub or three-alleys on a saturday afternoon.
korea has filled thy cup. be thankful for your hot korean wives, and the culture that drove them into your arms and paid you stupid amounts of money for whatever it is you do.
oh, believe me I am thankful. I love this country, and I love my mother-in-law’s kimchee even more, even if I do think it is ass-backwards sometimes.
One more thing before I’m off to corrupt the minds of Korean youth, (for the fourth year running), I have NEVER met a foreigner who has called my wife a whore, but I have met PLENTY of Korean men who have spit at her and called her a whore to her face because we were walking down the street holding hands. It was then, that I learned that a foreigner should never hit a Korean no matter how justified. I even had one guy hunt me down thru immigration and try to get me deported six months later after he attacked me and I defended myself. The cop handling the case, was pretty apologetic because I had to deal with such an asshole– he looked like he wanted to jump over the desk and hit the guy himself, and the accuser was pretty put out when he discovered I couldn’t be deported because I was married. I still got a fine for fighting (and admitting to it), but then so did my accuser. First rule of fight club– don’t admit to it, deny, deny, deny.
@ Sonagi #48-
Thanks for the comment. I’ve been lurking here for quite literally years (god, how many new addresses did the Hole have for a while there? Seemed like every time I turned around the domain was changing), and may have posted ages ago but don’t remember for certain.
I’m no stranger to the T&A of the site, and I think it’s fine. I can hold my own with my boys and really, I appreciate people just being up front about all the ogling and what not rather than pretending they don’t do it. Meh. It’s just regular life, isn’t it?
Anyhow, Robert, don’t let ME dissuade you from posting girlie and NSFW pics/links. It’s the conservative bent that gets to me
welcome back, pixel.
be careful, though, that last comment of yours above
“it’s the conservative bent that gets to me”
will get you branded forever as a wacko liberal left-winger (not that there’s anything wrong with it, of course!!), which some here will never let go of, regardless of what the future leanings of your thoughts and opinions might be.
haha- I knew that would raise a few hackles. Actually, Dave, it’s that hacking by right-wing nutjobs on the wacko liberal left-winger bit that has left me lurking for a while. Anyhow, it’s more of the “not interested in conversation” bit by some posters than whatever branding may come that bugs me. Worst case I’ll take off my socks and put them on my hands as it seems some others like to do.
Every anecdote like the above I read makes me think that wife and expat have particular sessions set out for themselves in which they discuss why the wife is so grateful to be married to a foreigner and the flaws of the Korean man and Korean society. It’s as if man & wife are sitting around somewhere on some regular basis going down a laundry list of negatives or something, like a ritual which the couple performs in order to rotely justify their marriage to themselves.
I think expats should think twice about relaying these accounts about their wives or framing their personalities in such a way. It makes everyone look bad. I mean, did tz247’s wife one day say “I’ve been lied to all my life about foreigners” and such? Does she even speak English or does tz speak Korean? Ridiculous. Do these wives rant on and on about “Koreans” in their conversations with their husbands and see everything in black and white, as “Korean” this and “wayguk” that? If so, it’s pretty fucked up, and it’s become a stereotype.
#57: “Every anecdote like the above I read makes me think that wife and expat have particular sessions set out for themselves in which they discuss why the wife is so grateful to be married to a foreigner and the flaws of the Korean man and Korean society.”
well, abc, as a roundeye married to a korean woman and living in korea, my wife and i DO have a particular set of ground rules, written into our marriage vows, which explicitly stipulates that she must set aside no less than one hour a day to reiterate her gratefulness that i saved her from the flaws of korean man and society (forgetting, of course, that her brother and father are also korean men).
as a fair-minded, wacked-out, pinko stoner liberal dissident, however, i also think it’s only right that i deign to take at least 15 minutes per day to thank her for saving me from the flaws of american women and society. after all, since american women don’t stay home to cook and clean anymore, i was tired of coming home to a messy house and chips and salsa for dinner every night. i also was tired of not sleeping in the same bed with an american woman because the enormousness of their asses meant there was no room for me, her, and her pro-imperialistic ways.
Robert recently posted a link to two youtube videos about “yellow fever”. I couldn’t but help read some of the comments over at youtube. One of the posters wrote something like “I’m a white male with yellow fever.. because I hate white American women. They’re lying and dishonest and can’t be trusted”. Well, I think that’s fucked up too but at the same time curious. For whatever reason, the same behavior in the Korean setting seems far more deplorable whereas in the American settings it’s more like an oddball joke.
abc, i hope you know i was only poking fun at both sides of the racially mixed couple issue because it’s too funny not to make fun of (and not poking fun at you for your comments).
I saw your intent but nonethess your joke highlights a few things which support the point I’m trying to make. It’s obvious that calling some group of women fat or dishonest or something is wrong. But, on the one hand, this behavior is difficult to take seriously when it’s aimed at American women, and this point is reflected in your post by the fact that you were making fun. One doesn’t see bashing against white women often. On the other hand, I see tz’s sort of post very often, so much so that it’s predictable. Yet tz’s post above is mild in comparison to other posts I’ve read which more than anything give me the impression of self-hating Korean women who feel the need to engage in Korea-bashing for the sake of consolidating their relationships with their husbands. It’s pathetic. But I’m not pointing this out to criticize these women. I’m pointing this out to criticize the expat’s proclivity to write about these women and reveal what kind of individuals they are. It does nobody any good and just reinforces a negative stereotype I’ve developed in my mind from reading these blogs.
funny how racey pics of a hot comedian end up inspiring 60+ responses, and the recent fire caused less of a stir. i love the hole!
K-wife and non-K hub have these mutual goals to leave Korea, because the alternative is
1/ pay US college like money to educate bi racial kids out of K public schools
2/ leave Korea, go to North America, US.
I wonder if Hong Kong or Japan or Taiwan is more tolerant.
Bottom line why they have this goal. Not because K women self hates. Because ROK is very racist towards waegookin. You’re talking about a land where school children will be harassed daily if they are proven to be half Chinese or half Japanese, even.
For Korea’s advancement, this must stop.
Some outsiders have said that Koreans were never one people, and that the Japanese made the Koreans believe that Koreans are one people, dan-il-min-jok. Given that Japanese influence in Korea started at least effectively since 1880s to 1979 (Okamoto modeled ROK development as a carbon copy of Japan, if you didn’t ever realize)
We MUST blame Japan !
ROK is also a place where handicapped children and adults stay home 24/7.
if they pass a US like Disabilities Act or Hate Crime law, that would do ROK some good.
@62
We seem to be running the gambit in this one, but remember its cause which is actually pawi. Thus, if you love the hole, then, by transitivity, you must love pawi who is responsible for the length of this thread. Think about it.
#45. Marmot, I am down on my knees prostrate, praying harder than a heathen, that you do not institute such a policy! Even after all of the odd-ball posts, I can’t get my attention off of the lovely comedian.
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I knew tz247 was gonna get flamed for claiming to save a Kgirl. While I can understand his viewpoint, hopefully everyone can understand how such a comment, despite it’s degree of validity, would be offensive to a Korean man. (It also makes pawi hate us ALL more.)
I’m not claiming to have saved any Kgirls (yet), but have met some girls who are hell-bent on not dating/marrying Korean men because they have heard stories from their married female friends, are too familiar with room-salon antics of 아저씨’s (don’t get me started), or other reasons. I think this is stupid though… excluding an entire race?
My current gf (Korean), however, hasn’t made any declarations to marry outside of her race, and has dated korean, gyopo, and foreigner, but, based on stories that she’s heard from married (to Korean) female friends, she’d decided long ago not to get married because of the resulting bad image she developed of married women’s life. Of course, now that she’s met me, she’s changed her mind.
Anyway, man that comedien is hot, I wouldn’t mind saving HER for awhile.
not “despite it’s degree of validity” but more clearly I meant “justified or not”
sonagi, your focus is wrong. and please, don’t tell me someone as smart as you didn’t understand the point of my post. you most certainly did. you’re just pretending you didn’t.
‘The irony, pawi, of your marks against the comments you quoted use the male pronoun, and while I can’t speak for both of us, they’re not necessarily made by men.’ pixel
are you for real? are you saying they’re lesbians? lol! did you see al-theia come back and praise big beautiful butt?
lastly, may i ask you politely if you are a product of your country’s school system?
@pawi (#72)
I’m not sure why a woman who thinks another woman is beautiful has to be a lesbian or queer in any way. Can you look at a flower and see it as beautiful? A building? A car? I’m not sure why I can’t talk about a woman as “hot” or “beautiful” without you assuming I’m creaming in my pants. If cars, bikes, food, and other designed objects can be hot and have the word “pr0n” suffixed to them, I’m sure I (and others) can manage to appreciate the aesthetics of a human body without getting all hot and bothered. Good grief. If you had taken a little more time to read the stuff in the paragraph above what you wrongly assumed to be a disparaging comment you’d notice that the bulk of my comment dealt with poorly-done photo manipulation. (Are you even reading this? I know it’s more than one sentence per paragraph).
As for a-lethia, I’m don’t really know anything about him/her, you’ll have to take up your gripes directly.
As far as education is concerned, are we not nearly all the products of our country’s school systems (or at least what we think of as “our country”) plus the self-study and other non-curricular education we have completed? I’m not sure which nation you are assuming that to be (your jumping to conclusions is certainly making you look foolish). Don’t take the flags by people’s names at face value; they have certainly been wrong before.
#73:
and it can be safely assumed that there are a few here at the Hole who would call “queer” or “homosexual” a guy who casually critiqued another dude’s bod, especially if he deemed it to be “hot” or something. in my opinion, pixel, that would be no different than your having said that the lovely ms. gwak’s first two pics were “hot, though, for sure”. what’s wrong with a man concurring with an opinion that another dude is hot?
as well, i believe my post in #58 would be called a sarcastic take on certain perpetuated stereotypes steadfastly rooted in cultures on both sides of the pacific.
*as an aside–and sadly, though it’s related to the original post by robert of the lovely ms. gwak’s photo shoot, i have to call it an “aside” for obvious reasons–may the depraved fates who help robert run the Hole NOT neglect the obvious hints in posts 47, 54, and 67 (as well as the more silenced overtures and less obvious pleas hidden in the rest of the other rants here) that other NSFW photos as they are discovered be given their rightful place in future Hole post hierarchy.
Glad you’ve come back out of the shadows, Pixel. The comment section could use more estrogen to balance all the testosterone. You’re on the mark about women evaluating the looks of other women. When a man sees a woman or an image of one, he asks himself, “Would I want to **** her?” while a woman asks herself, “Would I want to look like her?” Men do the same thing but seem fo focus on a specific part. Research tracking eye movements of internet users demonstrates that men stare at the groins not only of other men but of animals, too.
Heh. Well, I assure you I’m not hiding. I’m just working. Girl’s gotta bring home the bacon, ya know?
I never claimed to save my wife from the Korean male. I was just making an observation about her observations of the differences between Koreans and foreigners. If anybody would know, she would. Trust me when I say that I get in trouble all the time about making off-hand comments about Korea. She may understand the foreigner better than the average Korean, but she is still a Korean, and just as nationalistic as any other– she just tries to keep an open mind and look at it from my point of view. She doesn’t always agree. It’s not like we sit down once a day and talk about our differences, but she hangs out without enough foreigners bitching about Korea, it’s hard not to talk about it at some point. And in hindsight, maybe I’m more narrow-minded than she is about it all.
Maybe “lied” was the wrong word to use. Let’s say that the Korean Media skewed her perspective of foreigners to a point where it was no longer believable compared to the reality of her situation. Keep in mind, that although my foreigner friends are mostly men, her foreigner friends are mostly women and she acts totally different around them than she does around other Koreans because she feels that she can be ‘herself’ (her words, not mine). I have quite a few foreigner male acquaintances she doesn’t like anymore than Korean males– there are assholes in every culture, but she doesn’t meet new foreigners with the expectation that are assholes like she does with older Korean males. Koreans closer to our age are a different story. More open minded, yada, yada, yada.
And really, who’s saving who? As far as any of you know, I could be some butt-ugly dude who had no better future then sitting in my parents’ basement spending my time making half-assed comments about how every body else is to blame for my faults on blogs half way around the world…
i find it hard to believe that she’s a comedian.