THEY STARTED IT!!!
What goes around comes around!!!
We made it!!!
Nuh-uh! WE made it first!!!!

All this over a French film! lol. No offense to ya Frechies.. I can’t help it. I’m from a country that wanted to change the name of french fries to FREEDOM FRIES… LOL.

But seriously, I got love for the French. I love it when French chics start talking that boo-lay-boo-coo stuff to me.LOL

I hope some of you guys are over the age of erm… let’s say 18, because if you weren’t it wouldn’t be that funny.

Why anyone with sufficient education could be prone to such shallow analysis of such a stupid, simple thing as a K drama is beyond me.

And Long Duck Dong was just comic relief in a teen movie.

1/ culture, agriculture, or anything involving writing.
2/ Goguryo people were just fighting nomads.

Such utter bull shit.

but we must accept that current day Koreans are dominated with original Shilla families and innumerable slave families who are fake Parks, Kims, and Lees.

For this, I must blame Japan.

Good words.

Zonath, good point, but I still believe what I believe.

Korean peninsula was powerful and captured territory in Japan and China, prior to Shilla of Kyong Sang Do adopting the policy of serving China proper as its superior.

There is pretty much no record of Korean atrocities against either the Chinese or the Japanese or the North Far Eastern tribes to mention.

However, it must be mentioned that any history of Goguryo and Baekjae is extremely flimsy, because

1/ China would rather not recognize it.
2/ Japan would rather not recognize it.
3/ Kyong Sang Do, and Korea itself would rather minimize both Goguryo and Baekjae to legitimize 1400 years of Korea being what it has been. A hermit kingdom licking China’s butt hole. Serving up women, rice, and money to China. Yeah, it must have been the best way to preserve the Korean peninsula, for we know that Park who was born from a bak, and Kim who was born out of golden turtle eggs must have been born that way, and only such people would guide human beings to do jang-ryuh nong-sa and such. What I truly wonder is how the third Shilla royal blood family, the Suks, somehow got screwed over in popularity, power, and reign.

but my mainpoint is, no one accuses Goguryo or Baekjae as oppressors, from what flimsy history there is available about Korea’s true might that allowed it to “influence” other nations. If anything, Japan is positive about Baekjae.

On France, Rwanda:
Above Criticism (#50) thanks for the link. Yes, the French government’s irresponsible behavior in Rwanda was disgusting, criminal, and should always be remembered. Absolutely horrific. Humanitarianism was yet again trumped by perceived self-interest. The people of France were sold on the deployment of French troops for humanitarian reasons, but narrower interests won out as old relationships between French officers and the Rwandan gov’t were viewed as more important than the lives of strangers. The French attitude was that people in that part of the world are different, they think of death differently, it’s just another ethnic conflict. People, even people who are close to me, hear the word “humanitarian” or “human rights” and shrug, thinking they’re just some pansy terms. And 800,000 are left to die. The Catholic Church was also complicit in the Rwandan genocide, the USA was criminally absent (in fact removed troops) along with the UK, Germany, Japan, anyone who could have helped. Criminal negligence. But the French deserve special criticism here, I agree. Also Kofi Annan. They say that with 5,000 troops we could have saved 400,000 lives. It’s possible that everything could have been stopped with diplomatic pressure alone. Ultimately nobody gives a shit about some black people in Africa unless they already know them. The French gov’t had friends, so they were biased toward their friends’ side in Rwanda and only learned too late that their “friends” were murderers. It’s nauseating. The good thing is that Bernard Kouchner, founder of Doctors Without Borders, is the new Foreign Affairs minister under Sarkozy. He’s a humanitarian, and just went to Rwanda to repair ties. A book to read is “Shaking Hands with the Devil” by Gen Romeo Dellair, head of the UN observation force there.

But yes, French nationalism blinded officials from the right course of action. I think this happens all the time. It’s why when I see such virulent nationalism, like in Korea, that a creepy feeling comes over me.

Beginnings of a theory about Korean (and other) nationalism:
To borrow a religious vocabulary, we’re all sinners, we’re all capable of evil, we all contain darkness. Therefore we need penitence, to ask for the creator’s forgiveness and to proclaim our first love for the creation as a whole, for universal goodness. This provides a counter-balance to our selfish, immediate biological and survivalistic view in which we give automatic preference to ourselves and our families, and then prefer our friends, then our high schools, then our regions, then our countries. Korean (and other) nationalism precludes penitence when it refuses to admit its own sin. What’s there to forgive? In this sense original sin is a great gift, because it’s in humbly begging for forgiveness that one relinquishes the specific in exchange for the universal. Koreans have a tough case because they’ve been too small and poor to have been aggressors against anyone but other Koreans. Their only international sin is that they weren’t successful enough in the past. So Korean nationalists become drunk on their specific successes and victimizations. Without recognizing any sins for which to beg forgiveness, the act through which one transcends the specific and ascends to universal love is lost. Without penitence (whether religious or secular), nationalism, specificism, me-ism, grows in a feedback loop to the displeasure of all, not least its “Host.” It can’t be comfortable to be a hypocrite in denial — we all feel this discomfort to some degree — and nationalism can be thought of as a form of hypocrisy.

So the doctrine of original sin may be the way out, the escape. We’re all part evil by default. Because if you didn’t commit evil, it might just be that the conditions weren’t right, not that you’re incapable of sinning. This where I find wisdom in the doctrine of not judging others, because they also were simply the recipients of themselves and their environments, not the designers. In this sense, even if free will exists, we are like cooks given ingredients entirely at random.

Also (dogbert, wjk), you or I are not any more or less responsible for any civilization’s past triumphs or tragedies than anyone else is. I’m white but I didn’t invent the automobile and I can’t take credit for it. We’re all born by luck, or fate, as you wish to call it. Smart, slow, tall, short, Korean, Japanese, Italian or born to Taliban parents, it’s all a roll of the dice or else one word in a master plan, but you didn’t choose it. You can hope to exercise free will, but you cannot know what would have been. Therefore I must assume that under different circumstances, maybe I too would be a criminal, a Hutu killer of Tutsis, a Nazi.

So the doctrine of original sin, non-judgment of others, and above all asking for forgiveness. Maybe these can fit into Korean Christianity and free Korean nationalists from their cages by allowing then to experience a universal love as strong as their specific, selfish love. I guess it’s true for all of us.