Comments on: Boeing to Donate One F-15K to the ROKAF http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/ Korea... in Blog Format Thu, 24 Jul 2008 12:45:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6 By: Arghaeri http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131302 Arghaeri Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:55:46 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131302 Seems to me to be business as normal, not a charitable act. Just a sweetener to seal the deal for 20 more planes with a "good" PR angle. Seems to me to be business as normal, not a charitable act. Just a sweetener to seal the deal for 20 more planes with a “good” PR angle.

]]> By: mjw http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131300 mjw Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:41:00 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131300 this news came out days ago..... this news came out days ago…..

]]> By: IronChefKorean http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131299 IronChefKorean Thu, 24 Jan 2008 02:31:09 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131299 Perhaps they mistook Boeing for Hyundai which gives ridiculous warranties to offset the still apparently inferiority to Honda. Perhaps they mistook Boeing for Hyundai which gives ridiculous warranties to offset the still apparently inferiority to Honda.

]]> By: Wedge http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131297 Wedge Thu, 24 Jan 2008 01:22:33 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131297 The first 39 F-15Ks are powered by GE F110s (mostly built by Samsung Techwin under license--they also built most of the PW F100s for the KF-16s). Pratt & Whitney and GE are negotiating as we speak for the right to fill the engine bays of the next 20 F-15Ks. These engine deals are separate from the airframe deals, and always include spares, so Boeing offering to toss in two engines, along with an airframe to replace one lost by pilot error, would be extra generous. My questions would be: What is the tone of the Seoul Shinmun article? Would they expect Boeing to toss in a few AMRAAMs and AIM-9s for free as well? Maybe some JDAMs while they're at it? Why not 20 years' worth of spares support? The first 39 F-15Ks are powered by GE F110s (mostly built by Samsung Techwin under license–they also built most of the PW F100s for the KF-16s). Pratt & Whitney and GE are negotiating as we speak for the right to fill the engine bays of the next 20 F-15Ks. These engine deals are separate from the airframe deals, and always include spares, so Boeing offering to toss in two engines, along with an airframe to replace one lost by pilot error, would be extra generous.

My questions would be: What is the tone of the Seoul Shinmun article? Would they expect Boeing to toss in a few AMRAAMs and AIM-9s for free as well? Maybe some JDAMs while they’re at it? Why not 20 years’ worth of spares support?

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131292 SomeguyinKorea Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:21:25 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131292 #6, The Korean language article does mention the lack of an engine. The engines are built in Korea by Samsung, BTW. #6,

The Korean language article does mention the lack of an engine.

The engines are built in Korea by Samsung, BTW.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131291 SomeguyinKorea Thu, 24 Jan 2008 00:13:14 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131291 #2,#3, You'd think a reporter would know that. After all, isn't it a Korean company that builds the engines for the F-15K? #2,#3,

You’d think a reporter would know that. After all, isn’t it a Korean company that builds the engines for the F-15K?

]]> By: knickerbocker http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131272 knickerbocker Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:55:32 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131272 Wait a second. Who's raising the issue of the engines not being included gratis as a problem? Did the Korean military, or even the article cited, say the engines should be included for free? Wait a second. Who’s raising the issue of the engines not being included gratis as a problem? Did the Korean military, or even the article cited, say the engines should be included for free?

]]> By: seouldout http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131266 seouldout Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:15:06 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131266 Parts is parts. Parts is parts.

]]> By: Keyser Soze http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131265 Keyser Soze Wed, 23 Jan 2008 15:09:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131265 "While I’m not a pilot or a former USAF aircraft maint type..." Well, I am a former USAF maintenance type and Paul H.'s observations are "spot-on", I couldn't have said it better. “While I’m not a pilot or a former USAF aircraft maint type…”

Well, I am a former USAF maintenance type and Paul H.’s observations are “spot-on”, I couldn’t have said it better.

]]> By: Paul H. http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131264 Paul H. Wed, 23 Jan 2008 14:44:03 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/23/boeing-to-give-one-f-15k-for-free/#comment-131264 "...Not so fast, says the Seoul Shinmun. According to it, there is a very big chance that the plane will not come with the engines included." While I'm not a pilot or a former USAF aircraft maint type (so don't know the exact details), it's worth noting for the record that in a normal 20 or 30 year lifespan, a military jet aircraft will probably go through dozens of complete engine changes. Both as an atypical event (unexpected mechanical breakdown or damage due to an external cause) but also (and probably more often) as a part of routine maintenance. I.e., after so many hundred hours an aircraft jet engine is scheduled for removal and return to depot maintenancel, for standard checks and replacement of parts (turbine fan blades? etc etc). So let's not add this to any accumulaton of Korean grievances about "victimization" at the hands of a greedy Uncle Sam. The standards you would use towards buying a new car don't apply (I suppose 99% of all automobiles complete their entire lifespan with their original engine). And I doubt if Uncle Sam has ever gotten this type of a deal from any US aircraft manufacturer for the planes his pilots have crashed. “…Not so fast, says the Seoul Shinmun. According to it, there is a very big chance that the plane will not come with the engines included.”

While I’m not a pilot or a former USAF aircraft maint type (so don’t know the exact details), it’s worth noting for the record that in a normal 20 or 30 year lifespan, a military jet aircraft will probably go through dozens of complete engine changes.

Both as an atypical event (unexpected mechanical breakdown or damage due to an external cause) but also (and probably more often) as a part of routine maintenance. I.e., after so many hundred hours an aircraft jet engine is scheduled for removal and return to depot maintenancel, for standard checks and replacement of parts (turbine fan blades? etc etc).

So let’s not add this to any accumulaton of Korean grievances about “victimization” at the hands of a greedy Uncle Sam. The standards you would use towards buying a new car don’t apply (I suppose 99% of all automobiles complete their entire lifespan with their original engine).

And I doubt if Uncle Sam has ever gotten this type of a deal from any US aircraft manufacturer for the planes his pilots have crashed.

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