Boeing plans to throw in a F-15K for free, as part of the deal that will see 20 more F-15Ks inducted into the ROKAF. This will replace the F-15K that crashed into the East Sea, a few years ago. Not so fast, says the Seoul Shinmun. According to it, there is a very big chance that the plane will not come with the engines included.
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Here’s the link in English if you don’t speak Korean.
http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....10021.html
The free plane is to replace the crash that resulted from a pilot’s “spatial disorientation.” Hopefully Boeing can also throw in some free pilots.
Guess no one told the Koreans about looking the gift horse in the mouth. The Boeing offer is not exactly unusual, since the deal with planes usually involves separate arrangements for airframes and engines, the buyer often having an option to choose GE, Rolls-Royce or PW engines - not to mention the battle gear, in the case of which the US generally does not supply anyone but the USAF AND USN with the latest shock-and-awe making package. Just more evidence of the debilitating effect of the military welfare cadillac mentality of Korea
“…Not so fast, says the Seoul Shinmun. According to it, there is a very big chance that the plane will not come with the engines included.”
While I’m not a pilot or a former USAF aircraft maint type (so don’t know the exact details), it’s worth noting for the record that in a normal 20 or 30 year lifespan, a military jet aircraft will probably go through dozens of complete engine changes.
Both as an atypical event (unexpected mechanical breakdown or damage due to an external cause) but also (and probably more often) as a part of routine maintenance. I.e., after so many hundred hours an aircraft jet engine is scheduled for removal and return to depot maintenancel, for standard checks and replacement of parts (turbine fan blades? etc etc).
So let’s not add this to any accumulaton of Korean grievances about “victimization” at the hands of a greedy Uncle Sam. The standards you would use towards buying a new car don’t apply (I suppose 99% of all automobiles complete their entire lifespan with their original engine).
And I doubt if Uncle Sam has ever gotten this type of a deal from any US aircraft manufacturer for the planes his pilots have crashed.
“While I’m not a pilot or a former USAF aircraft maint type…”
Well, I am a former USAF maintenance type and Paul H.’s observations are “spot-on”, I couldn’t have said it better.
Parts is parts.
Wait a second. Who’s raising the issue of the engines not being included gratis as a problem? Did the Korean military, or even the article cited, say the engines should be included for free?
#2,#3,
You’d think a reporter would know that. After all, isn’t it a Korean company that builds the engines for the F-15K?
#6,
The Korean language article does mention the lack of an engine.
The engines are built in Korea by Samsung, BTW.
The first 39 F-15Ks are powered by GE F110s (mostly built by Samsung Techwin under license–they also built most of the PW F100s for the KF-16s). Pratt & Whitney and GE are negotiating as we speak for the right to fill the engine bays of the next 20 F-15Ks. These engine deals are separate from the airframe deals, and always include spares, so Boeing offering to toss in two engines, along with an airframe to replace one lost by pilot error, would be extra generous.
My questions would be: What is the tone of the Seoul Shinmun article? Would they expect Boeing to toss in a few AMRAAMs and AIM-9s for free as well? Maybe some JDAMs while they’re at it? Why not 20 years’ worth of spares support?
Perhaps they mistook Boeing for Hyundai which gives ridiculous warranties to offset the still apparently inferiority to Honda.
this news came out days ago…..
Seems to me to be business as normal, not a charitable act. Just a sweetener to seal the deal for 20 more planes with a “good” PR angle.