Comments on: Feel the Pain of Hagwon Owners http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/ Korea... in Blog Format Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:57:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: I_AM_HE http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-131639 I_AM_HE Sun, 27 Jan 2008 14:01:58 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-131639 B.S. aside, what are the typical, legitimate qualifications most of the native English speaking teachers at hakwans have in their possession? I am considering joining the English teaching industry here in Korea. I have masters, bachelors, and associates degrees. Will I also need a TESL (or the like) to teach English here in Korea? Thanks. B.S. aside, what are the typical, legitimate qualifications most of the native English speaking teachers at hakwans have in their possession?

I am considering joining the English teaching industry here in Korea. I have masters, bachelors, and associates degrees. Will I also need a TESL (or the like) to teach English here in Korea? Thanks.

]]> By: MrMao http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130502 MrMao Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:41:42 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130502 (1) withhold their pay until their contracts are up, then get them deported… AGREE TOTALLY.HAVE SEEN/EXPERIENCED IT. (2) provide them with slum like quarters and keep them under virtual house-arrest when not teaching. DISAGREE PARTIALLY WITH SLUM. (3) if they fall victim to crime from a korean, ensure the police treat them as a perpetrator. BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH NOT TO HAVE DEALT WITH COPS. TOUCH WOOD. (4) sensationalize every ESL teacher incident in the local media (when not busy villianiziing USFK, of course), because only foreigners commit crime in sparkling Korea. TOTALLY AGREE. (5) ensure the teacher’s visa is linked to the hagwon. indentured servants make better educators! TOTALLY AGREE. (6) If male, keep them distant from the opposite sex, UriMinJok! DISAGREE. (6) if the teacher is female, subject her to subtle and not so subtle sexual harassment, especially at mandatory social gatherings. TOTALLY AGREE. (7) if the teacher does get paid, make sure there are adequate banking restrictions to keep them from their money. DISAGREE. THREE WORDS FOR HAPPINESS IN KOREA:NONGHYUP BANK CARD, SAMSUNG CC, LG TELECOM PHONE. (8) treat the foreign teacher like a freak in general society. DISAGREE. (9) contract obligations should only apply to the teacher, not the hagwon. Confucius said so. TOTALLY AGREE. (10) Last but not least, give them ill-behaved spoiled students to teach. TOALLY AGREE. (1) withhold their pay until their contracts are up, then get them deported…

AGREE TOTALLY.HAVE SEEN/EXPERIENCED IT.

(2) provide them with slum like quarters and keep them under virtual house-arrest when not teaching.

DISAGREE PARTIALLY WITH SLUM.

(3) if they fall victim to crime from a korean, ensure the police treat them as a perpetrator.

BEEN LUCKY ENOUGH NOT TO HAVE DEALT WITH COPS. TOUCH WOOD.

(4) sensationalize every ESL teacher incident in the local media (when not busy villianiziing USFK, of course), because only foreigners commit crime in sparkling Korea.

TOTALLY AGREE.

(5) ensure the teacher’s visa is linked to the hagwon. indentured servants make better educators!

TOTALLY AGREE.

(6) If male, keep them distant from the opposite sex, UriMinJok!

DISAGREE.

(6) if the teacher is female, subject her to subtle and not so subtle sexual harassment, especially at mandatory social gatherings.

TOTALLY AGREE.

(7) if the teacher does get paid, make sure there are adequate banking restrictions to keep them from their money.

DISAGREE. THREE WORDS FOR HAPPINESS IN KOREA:NONGHYUP BANK CARD, SAMSUNG CC, LG TELECOM PHONE.

(8) treat the foreign teacher like a freak in general society.

DISAGREE.

(9) contract obligations should only apply to the teacher, not the hagwon. Confucius said so.

TOTALLY AGREE.

(10) Last but not least, give them ill-behaved spoiled students to teach.

TOALLY AGREE.

]]> By: Keyser Soze http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130500 Keyser Soze Fri, 18 Jan 2008 08:22:36 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130500 "wileycoyote", a goo friend of mine, had this discourse with "R.O.K." over at OMN: Love the title.... http://english.ohmynews.com/reader_opinion2/opinion_view.asp?code=2554098&menu=c10400&no=381424&rel_no=1&opinion_no=10&page=&isSerial=&sort_name=&ip_sort= R.O.K: "...Stricter and thorogh background search is required by the Ministry of Education in Seoul. Possibly establishing a close network with F.B.I.and other international police agencies. Need to be much more discriminate and selective allowing the foreigners to teach in Korea. Korea should not be a safe haven nor easy way of making money for these unqualified foreign language teachers; " a wolf disguised in a sheep skin." We all need to be assertive and to protect our nation's integrity." Wiley: "Here are some additional ideas for protecting the "nation's integrity" from evil foreign ESL teachers: (1) withhold their pay until their contracts are up, then get them deported... (2) provide them with slum like quarters and keep them under virtual house-arrest when not teaching. (3) if they fall victim to crime from a korean, ensure the police treat them as a perpetrator. (4) sensationalize every ESL teacher incident in the local media (when not busy villianiziing USFK, of course), because only foreigners commit crime in sparkling Korea. (5) ensure the teacher's visa is linked to the hagwon. indentured servants make better educators! (6) If male, keep them distant from the opposite sex, UriMinJok! (6) if the teacher is female, subject her to subtle and not so subtle sexual harassment, especially at mandatory social gatherings. (7) if the teacher does get paid, make sure there are adequate banking restrictions to keep them from their money. (8) treat the foreign teacher like a freak in general society. (9) contract obligations should only apply to the teacher, not the hagwon. Confucius said so. (10) Last but not least, give them ill-behaved spoiled students to teach. If dynamic Korea follows all the above named precepts, they will attract the cream of academia and will never have to worry about fan death or foreign wolves predating their pure society." “wileycoyote”, a goo friend of mine, had this discourse with “R.O.K.” over at OMN: Love the title….

http://english.ohmynews.com/re.....p;ip_sort=

R.O.K: “…Stricter and thorogh background search is required by the Ministry of Education in Seoul.
Possibly establishing a close network with F.B.I.and other international police agencies.
Need to be much more discriminate and selective allowing the foreigners to teach in Korea. Korea should not be a safe haven nor easy way of making money for these unqualified foreign language teachers; ” a wolf disguised in a sheep skin.”

We all need to be assertive and to protect our nation’s integrity.”

Wiley: “Here are some additional ideas for protecting the “nation’s integrity” from evil foreign ESL teachers:

(1) withhold their pay until their contracts are up, then get them deported…

(2) provide them with slum like quarters and keep them under virtual house-arrest when not teaching.

(3) if they fall victim to crime from a korean, ensure the police treat them as a perpetrator.

(4) sensationalize every ESL teacher incident in the local media (when not busy villianiziing USFK, of course), because only foreigners commit crime in sparkling Korea.

(5) ensure the teacher’s visa is linked to the hagwon. indentured servants make better educators!

(6) If male, keep them distant from the opposite sex, UriMinJok!

(6) if the teacher is female, subject her to subtle and not so subtle sexual harassment, especially at mandatory social gatherings.

(7) if the teacher does get paid, make sure there are adequate banking restrictions to keep them from their money.

(8) treat the foreign teacher like a freak in general society.

(9) contract obligations should only apply to the teacher, not the hagwon. Confucius said so.

(10) Last but not least, give them ill-behaved spoiled students to teach.

If dynamic Korea follows all the above named precepts, they will attract the cream of academia and will never have to worry about fan death or foreign wolves predating their pure society.”

]]> By: peninsular aborigine http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130486 peninsular aborigine Fri, 18 Jan 2008 07:03:46 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130486 # 26, Good point. Why are they encouraging miscegenation? # 26,

Good point. Why are they encouraging miscegenation?

]]> By: sanshinseon http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130482 sanshinseon Fri, 18 Jan 2008 06:59:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130482 That's the way it in fact was -- you just got a 1-year "teaching visa" and could work any institute or college you wanted to, and more than one at a time -- hagwan owners thus had to treat you with slight respect if they wanted to keep you -- until a sex-scandal in 1984 led to media-orchestrated public outcry which led to the current one-job-specific "slave" visas we now enjoy, in 85... That’s the way it in fact was — you just got a 1-year “teaching visa” and could work any institute or college you wanted to, and more than one at a time — hagwan owners thus had to treat you with slight respect if they wanted to keep you — until a sex-scandal in 1984 led to media-orchestrated public outcry which led to the current one-job-specific “slave” visas we now enjoy, in 85…

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130291 SomeguyinKorea Thu, 17 Jan 2008 07:43:51 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130291 #25, That and the fact that they wouldn't be able to manipulate and/or rip you off. #25,

That and the fact that they wouldn’t be able to manipulate and/or rip you off.

]]> By: dinkus maximus http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130268 dinkus maximus Thu, 17 Jan 2008 06:04:37 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130268 Who moved my cheese? Oh....it's over there in China where Koreans are flocking in droves and setting up "international" schools in a country where you can teach all the privates you want and can get a visa easily without leaving the country. Who moved my cheese? Oh….it’s over there in China where Koreans are flocking in droves and setting up “international” schools in a country where you can teach all the privates you want and can get a visa easily without leaving the country.

]]> By: Linkd http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130231 Linkd Thu, 17 Jan 2008 03:30:58 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130231 <blockquote>If more people could enjoy the conditions of an F2 or F5</blockquote> Sex with locals?

If more people could enjoy the conditions of an F2 or F5

Sex with locals?

]]> By: Maddlew http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130224 Maddlew Thu, 17 Jan 2008 02:55:10 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130224 aaronm, I am an F visa holder. The situation, however, seems to have caught these hogwan owners and directors off guard. When I interview, they tell me about the medical fifty-fifty co-pay, and I respond that I already have insurance. They tell me about the great accomodations and I say I already have a residence. They tell me about the severance at the end of a year and I tell them I don't plan on staying that long and am not interested in signing a year contract. I tell them this is to their benefit also, but once they realise they have nothing special to offer me, they glaze over. I tell them the only things I am interested in are hours, pay and time off. At this point they don't seem to be listening. I usually get up and tell them I'll call them if I'm interested. They wave goodbye as if from a dream. aaronm, I am an F visa holder. The situation, however, seems to have caught these hogwan owners and directors off guard. When I interview, they tell me about the medical fifty-fifty co-pay, and I respond that I already have insurance. They tell me about the great accomodations and I say I already have a residence. They tell me about the severance at the end of a year and I tell them I don’t plan on staying that long and am not interested in signing a year contract. I tell them this is to their benefit also, but once they realise they have nothing special to offer me, they glaze over.
I tell them the only things I am interested in are hours, pay and time off. At this point they don’t seem to be listening. I usually get up and tell them I’ll call them if I’m interested. They wave goodbye as if from a dream.

]]> By: exexpatPete http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130189 exexpatPete Wed, 16 Jan 2008 23:57:26 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/15/feel-the-pain-of-hagwon-owners/#comment-130189 #13 Thanks, Hatch. I'm gonna miss that guy. #13 Thanks, Hatch. I’m gonna miss that guy.

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