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	<title>Comments on: Seoul Plans to Increase Foreign Teachers</title>
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	<pubDate>Fri,  5 Sep 2008 17:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Breaktrack</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127843</link>
		<dc:creator>Breaktrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jan 2008 08:30:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, in reality, it ain't newsworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, in reality, it ain&#8217;t newsworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127661</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 21:22:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It all makes you wonder why hiring a few dozen extra English teachers is newsworthy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It all makes you wonder why hiring a few dozen extra English teachers is newsworthy.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127572</link>
		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Just a thought, what would happen in the US if we decided to implement stronger immigration laws, and fine, jail, and deport the illegals."

You'd have a sudden labor shortage.  Immediately there would be a glaring absence of people willing to clean your houses and pools, trim your shrubs and trees, pick your fruit and vegetables, cook your french fries and wash the plates they were served on.  (Just like Korean industry would be suddenly screwed if they really tried doing the same.)

"Or how about this: send all the legal Koreans back to Korea for a 3 month background check, you have until March. I think someone would be getting sued."

Two wrongs don't make a right, but I can see where you're coming from.  Take comfort in the fact that many of them are probably given a hard time by Homeland Security when they come and go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Just a thought, what would happen in the US if we decided to implement stronger immigration laws, and fine, jail, and deport the illegals.&#8221;</p>
<p>You&#8217;d have a sudden labor shortage.  Immediately there would be a glaring absence of people willing to clean your houses and pools, trim your shrubs and trees, pick your fruit and vegetables, cook your french fries and wash the plates they were served on.  (Just like Korean industry would be suddenly screwed if they really tried doing the same.)</p>
<p>&#8220;Or how about this: send all the legal Koreans back to Korea for a 3 month background check, you have until March. I think someone would be getting sued.&#8221;</p>
<p>Two wrongs don&#8217;t make a right, but I can see where you&#8217;re coming from.  Take comfort in the fact that many of them are probably given a hard time by Homeland Security when they come and go.</p>
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		<title>By: J</title>
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		<dc:creator>J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#5

It's not so bad as ESL jobs in Korea go.  One of the big points of contention is that the contract says you'll have 22 teaching hours a week.  Unfortunately, there's also a clause buried deep within that says the principal can require you to work overtime.  Which means most folks will work more like 24 - 26 hrs a week.  They'll also screw you nice and hard in the summer and winter programs.  

But speaking from my own experience, and that of other SMOE teachers I know, paychecks have always come on time and in the proper amount, including overtime, and vacation time never has to be haggled over.</description>
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<p>It&#8217;s not so bad as ESL jobs in Korea go.  One of the big points of contention is that the contract says you&#8217;ll have 22 teaching hours a week.  Unfortunately, there&#8217;s also a clause buried deep within that says the principal can require you to work overtime.  Which means most folks will work more like 24 - 26 hrs a week.  They&#8217;ll also screw you nice and hard in the summer and winter programs.  </p>
<p>But speaking from my own experience, and that of other SMOE teachers I know, paychecks have always come on time and in the proper amount, including overtime, and vacation time never has to be haggled over.</p>
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		<title>By: boshintang</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127567</link>
		<dc:creator>boshintang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:10:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#7

183,000 in US
100,000 in Canada
46,500 in Japan
10,000 in the Philippines...

That's alot of illegal Koreans, I had no idea. Just a thought, what would happen in the US if we decided to implement stronger immigration laws, and fine, jail, and deport the illegals. Or how about this: send all the legal Koreans back to Korea for a 3 month background check, you have until March. I think someone would be getting sued.</description>
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<p>183,000 in US<br />
100,000 in Canada<br />
46,500 in Japan<br />
10,000 in the Philippines&#8230;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s alot of illegal Koreans, I had no idea. Just a thought, what would happen in the US if we decided to implement stronger immigration laws, and fine, jail, and deport the illegals. Or how about this: send all the legal Koreans back to Korea for a 3 month background check, you have until March. I think someone would be getting sued.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127558</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 05:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The comments at the bottom of the article are worth a good laugh, especially the ones who complain about 'white privilege' ("where in the article does it say 'whites only'?", as one person replied).  

So, there are very few Korean Canadians and Korean Americans who work here as teachers? Isn't that to be expected since there are so few of them back home?  I'm not saying that they aren't discriminated against by Korean employers (sometimes, they are), but statistically speaking it's to be expected.  Don't know about Korean Americans, but there are only about 150 000 Korean Canadians.  In other words, Korean Canadians make up about 0.5% of the population of Canada---it's a very small minority.  On top of that, few Canadians are willing to come to Korea to teach English...and I bet even fewer Korean Canadian are willing to come to Korea to teach English (after all, many of them have left Korea to live in Canada).

PS.  Strangely enough, there are nearly as many Koreans living illegally in Canada as there are living legally there (something a I like to remember whenever the Korean media claims that a few thousand Canadians taking advantage of the 6 month tourist visas to teach here illegally is an epidemic (the vastly more numerous Koreans living illegally in Canada probably don't even bother to renew their tourist visas))

http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2/402881910674ebab010674f4dc931503.do.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The comments at the bottom of the article are worth a good laugh, especially the ones who complain about &#8216;white privilege&#8217; (&#8221;where in the article does it say &#8216;whites only&#8217;?&#8221;, as one person replied).  </p>
<p>So, there are very few Korean Canadians and Korean Americans who work here as teachers? Isn&#8217;t that to be expected since there are so few of them back home?  I&#8217;m not saying that they aren&#8217;t discriminated against by Korean employers (sometimes, they are), but statistically speaking it&#8217;s to be expected.  Don&#8217;t know about Korean Americans, but there are only about 150 000 Korean Canadians.  In other words, Korean Canadians make up about 0.5% of the population of Canada&#8212;it&#8217;s a very small minority.  On top of that, few Canadians are willing to come to Korea to teach English&#8230;and I bet even fewer Korean Canadian are willing to come to Korea to teach English (after all, many of them have left Korea to live in Canada).</p>
<p>PS.  Strangely enough, there are nearly as many Koreans living illegally in Canada as there are living legally there (something a I like to remember whenever the Korean media claims that a few thousand Canadians taking advantage of the 6 month tourist visas to teach here illegally is an epidemic (the vastly more numerous Koreans living illegally in Canada probably don&#8217;t even bother to renew their tourist visas))</p>
<p><a href="http://www.asianpacificpost.com/portal2/402881910674ebab010674f4dc931503.do.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.asianpacificpost.co.....03.do.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: EFL Geek</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127506</link>
		<dc:creator>EFL Geek</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 03:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Brendon said.</description>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127500</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:53:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Read the reports on Dave's ESL about GEPIK/EPIK and how much nonsense is involved in those programs, before you start cheering. Broken promises and questionable ethics are not confined to the private-sector academy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Read the reports on Dave&#8217;s ESL about GEPIK/EPIK and how much nonsense is involved in those programs, before you start cheering. Broken promises and questionable ethics are not confined to the private-sector academy.</p>
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		<title>By: foobat</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127499</link>
		<dc:creator>foobat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>really!?? which particular ass do they expect to draw these people from? 

lotsa luck to them ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>really!?? which particular ass do they expect to draw these people from? </p>
<p>lotsa luck to them &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2008/01/04/seoul-plans-to-increase-foreign-teachers/#comment-127498</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jan 2008 02:47:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your computation having demonstrated that teachers are countable, I'm sure you mean "118 fewer teachers".</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your computation having demonstrated that teachers are countable, I&#8217;m sure you mean &#8220;118 fewer teachers&#8221;.</p>
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