Marmot’s Open Thread #31

#15

Its a fairly accurate analysis. LaRouche, remember, predicted back in January 2001 that the Bush administration would oversee a ‘terrorist attack’ and implement a crisis-management-type government that would drive the US to the brink of economic ruin.

From wiki: ” LaRouche’s research staff was described by Norman Bailey, a former senior staffer of the National Security Council, as “one of the best private intelligence services in the world.”

that’s right slim. watch out for those fanatical turbans and their evil machinations. we’ve all seen the CNN videos of them training on monkey bars. pretty deadly stuff.

they pulled off 9/11 – even managed to make your air defense stand down for two hours. as if that weren’t a masterly demonstration of their sheer bravura, on 7/7 they bombed public transport in the heart of London – while a crisis-management team, hired weeks in advance to be at those precise locations and anticipate those exact scenarios stoodby dumbfounded.

so now these wiley extremists have snuck a gunman through Pakistani security forces and taken out Bhutto, a major threat to the ISI-CIA alliance. Who’s next? with your profound understanding of Al Qaeda’s role in world events and your realist approach to things – I fear it may be you slim!

be on your guard! fighting!

Zonath, you sound like Daniel Pipes.

I think LaRouche described people like you and Pipes quite well:

“The pervasive fraud in Pipes’ dogma, is that he evades the fact, that the primary issue is whether a certain type of, or particular report of a conspiracy is truthful, or not. On this account, he perpetrates the widely practiced fraud of petitio principii: asserting that the mere evidence that a conspiracy is implied in an argument of a case, is presumptive proof that that argument is therefore axiomatically false, without further consideration”

keep in mind that a government is not a homogenous entity – it is made up of contending factions who represent special interests. In terms of whether Islamic hijackers were solely responsible for the 9/11 atrocities, I believe, logically, that the data must warrant the claim – otherwise the claim is false. Show me the data – and i’ll believe 19 hijackers produced the results of that day – including the disappearance of 2 airliners, the stand-down of air-defense, and the near free-fall collapse of three steel skyscrapers.

The above data warrants the much more likely claim that Cheney, Rumsfeld and people in command positions at military and intelligence agencies carried out these attacks.

That they are too inept to cover it up is an a priori argument and can therefore be dismissed .

surely these experts have data to support their claim…? don’t you find it odd that your world-view relies entirely on federal authority – and that when called upon to produce simple data supporting your 19-hijacker theory, you have no choice but to be evasive?

I don’t believe in magic. If you contend a plane crashed into the Pentagon and another into a field, show me the wreckage. Here: I’ll show you the non-wreckage of flight 93: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZekosYOmXc

Give me one reason as to why standard air-defense protocols were not executed that day. Or as to how jet fuel caused molten steel to flow from the towers and collect in pools at ground zero burning for weeks after?

since neither you nor your hundreds of experts can answer to these, the Al Qaida claim falls apart.

“Americans today are seeing the same sheepish submissiveness that characterized Germany after the burning of the Reichstag.” Ray McGovern

“There are few things as odd as the calm, superior indifference with which I and those like me watched the beginnings of the Nazi revolution in Germany, as if from a box at the theater…Perhaps the only comparably odd thing is the way that now, years later….” Sebastian Haffner

EARLY WARNING SIGNS OF FASCISM:
-Powerful and continuing nationalism
-Disdain for human rights
-Identification of enemies as a unifying cause
-Supremacy of the military
-Rampant sexism
-Controlled mass media
-Obsession with national security
-Religion and government intertwined
-Corporate power protected
-Labor power suppressed
-Disdain for intellectuals and the arts
-Obsession with crime and punishment
-Rampant cronyism and corruption
-Fraudulent elections

#43 & 46

eye-witnesses saw a plane come in but there are discrepencies as to what type of plane it was – some thought they saw a passenger plane, others a white military-type plane. there’s no denying a plane flew toward the pentagon – and over it. no plane visible to the eye crashed there.

mcnut, go back and finish grade school. it’s not too late.

mcnut how laughable… so your ‘experts’ are Popular Mechanics.. owned by Hearst corportation, the father of ‘yellow journalism”…? The magazine promotes new weapons technology and has a cozy relationship with the Pentagon – so cozy that the senior researcher of the link you sent me was none other than Benjamin Chertoff, cousin of Michael Chertoff, Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security.

basically it tackles easily disputed fringe theories, while ignoring hard evidence. I would suggest you read peer-reviewed academic journals such as : http://www.journalof911studies.com/
but that might be a bit beyond your tabloid diet and vocabulary of primitive grunting sounds.

#70 while there no doubt are some “extremist psychos” on this board, the real freaks are the people who think themselves ensconced comfortably in some delusional middle-ground. yours will be a rude awakening.