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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/20/japanese-ambassador-pays-a-visit-too/comment-page-1/#comment-125598</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:29:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;maybe, but your wife’s korean. your kids are half korean. i hope your moral comapss will somehow wash onto them.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Who says it's a moral compass? I'm just noting the difference in worldview. But to be frank, I hope my kids &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; absorb something other than the zero-sum game, because I'd like them to be adapted to and successful in the wider world.

&lt;blockquote&gt;about 7 months ago, i wrote a piece about the 4th class white guy who had to go asia to find a date because he couldn’t find one here. therein, you’ll find the answer to what motivates so many a expat to tolerate living amongst a people he despises.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You're probably right about that one. (Set aside for a moment the "4th class" nonsense, which begs the question why Asian males immigrate to the United States, where they famously &lt;i&gt;can't&lt;/i&gt; find a date.) Once we've got a family connection here a lot of life gets easier. But also, generally that family connection is made before The Expat™ gets fed up. By that point it's too late.

Merry Christmas to you, sir.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>maybe, but your wife’s korean. your kids are half korean. i hope your moral comapss will somehow wash onto them.</p></blockquote>
<p>Who says it&#8217;s a moral compass? I&#8217;m just noting the difference in worldview. But to be frank, I hope my kids <i>do</i> absorb something other than the zero-sum game, because I&#8217;d like them to be adapted to and successful in the wider world.</p>
<blockquote><p>about 7 months ago, i wrote a piece about the 4th class white guy who had to go asia to find a date because he couldn’t find one here. therein, you’ll find the answer to what motivates so many a expat to tolerate living amongst a people he despises.</p></blockquote>
<p>You&#8217;re probably right about that one. (Set aside for a moment the &#8220;4th class&#8221; nonsense, which begs the question why Asian males immigrate to the United States, where they famously <i>can&#8217;t</i> find a date.) Once we&#8217;ve got a family connection here a lot of life gets easier. But also, generally that family connection is made before The Expat™ gets fed up. By that point it&#8217;s too late.</p>
<p>Merry Christmas to you, sir.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/20/japanese-ambassador-pays-a-visit-too/comment-page-1/#comment-125587</link>
		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'Korean’s segmentation of all things in this world into two categories (我 · 非我 - “me and mine” and “not me or mine”). I can’t believe you’ve not previously heard accounts....'

'300,000 koreans volunteer to help clean up oil spill.' headline

'.............' headline in us re the number of volunteers to the recent sf oil spill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Korean’s segmentation of all things in this world into two categories (我 · 非我 - “me and mine” and “not me or mine”). I can’t believe you’ve not previously heard accounts&#8230;.&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;300,000 koreans volunteer to help clean up oil spill.&#8217; headline</p>
<p>&#8216;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.&#8217; headline in us re the number of volunteers to the recent sf oil spill.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/20/japanese-ambassador-pays-a-visit-too/comment-page-1/#comment-125586</link>
		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 19:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'The Western worldview is more nuanced, particularly that of the American, especially folks from the American Midwest...'

maybe, but your wife's korean. your kids are half korean. i hope your moral comapss will somehow wash onto them. 

'An honourable man, especially someone from a great country such as America, wouldn’t live for a prolonged period in a country to which he has no emotional attachment.' barbarian

about 7 months ago, i wrote a piece about the 4th class white guy who had to go asia to find a date because he couldn't find one here. therein, you'll find the answer to what motivates so many a expat to tolerate living amongst a people he despises.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;The Western worldview is more nuanced, particularly that of the American, especially folks from the American Midwest&#8230;&#8217;</p>
<p>maybe, but your wife&#8217;s korean. your kids are half korean. i hope your moral comapss will somehow wash onto them. </p>
<p>&#8216;An honourable man, especially someone from a great country such as America, wouldn’t live for a prolonged period in a country to which he has no emotional attachment.&#8217; barbarian</p>
<p>about 7 months ago, i wrote a piece about the 4th class white guy who had to go asia to find a date because he couldn&#8217;t find one here. therein, you&#8217;ll find the answer to what motivates so many a expat to tolerate living amongst a people he despises.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i did travel to a new time zone, but the flag is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i did travel to a new time zone, but the flag is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 07:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to let this pass, but I won't.

bumfromkorea, welcome to the club.

You will be told you are WRONG.  You will be told that Sonagi is wonderful and kids are lucky to have her.

Sprewer will be proclaimed to be right and You, wrong.

May I say "we" at this point?  "we" will be called racists, stupids, trolls, etc.

Mr. Carr, you do have some valid observation points, and this one in particular I don't find much fault with.

Koreans among themselves will do everything they can so the Kim famly 1 will outdo Kim family 2.  

What amuses me is fact that most Kims, Parks, and Lees aren't really what they claim to be.  I'll end it at that.

Sonagi and Sprewer have some rocks in their heads.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to let this pass, but I won&#8217;t.</p>
<p>bumfromkorea, welcome to the club.</p>
<p>You will be told you are WRONG.  You will be told that Sonagi is wonderful and kids are lucky to have her.</p>
<p>Sprewer will be proclaimed to be right and You, wrong.</p>
<p>May I say &#8220;we&#8221; at this point?  &#8220;we&#8221; will be called racists, stupids, trolls, etc.</p>
<p>Mr. Carr, you do have some valid observation points, and this one in particular I don&#8217;t find much fault with.</p>
<p>Koreans among themselves will do everything they can so the Kim famly 1 will outdo Kim family 2.  </p>
<p>What amuses me is fact that most Kims, Parks, and Lees aren&#8217;t really what they claim to be.  I&#8217;ll end it at that.</p>
<p>Sonagi and Sprewer have some rocks in their heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:57:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But as we know from their own admissions, Koreans are generally extremely hostile to The Other, who is defined as "not me." Perhaps you've heard of the Korean's segmentation of all things in this world into two categories (我 · 非我 - "me and mine" and "not me or mine"). I can't believe you've not previously heard accounts of xenophobia and chauvinism in Korea. Perhaps we've all made them up.

"Not me" includes nearly all foreigners, but also includes a large number of Koreans in its daily usage. Only when "Me" gets craftily twisted by some demagogue to be "We" (as in "Us Koreans") does the foreigner find himself without Korean company in the "not me" category. In my opinion, the minute some leader starts up with "We" one ought to look very carefully to find the benefit for the speaker's "Me".

The Western worldview is more nuanced, particularly that of the American, especially folks from the American Midwest. Our worldview has at least three categories: "Me and mine", "You and yours", and "Not mine and not yours but belonging to some other, including the possibility of belonging to all of us". Actually, if you want to think about it, more categories are possible but these are the basics.

The English/American view is one that enables the preservation of public space for things like parks -- we respect the common good. But the Korean bipolar worldview does not really posit the possibility of respect for the common good. The Korean worldview is win/lose -- if you win, I must necessarily have lost. Thus I must exert all efforts to prevent your win.

Foreign observers who can understand the bipolar worldview will get 95% of what they need to know about Korea from that one concept.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But as we know from their own admissions, Koreans are generally extremely hostile to The Other, who is defined as &#8220;not me.&#8221; Perhaps you&#8217;ve heard of the Korean&#8217;s segmentation of all things in this world into two categories (我 · 非我 - &#8220;me and mine&#8221; and &#8220;not me or mine&#8221;). I can&#8217;t believe you&#8217;ve not previously heard accounts of xenophobia and chauvinism in Korea. Perhaps we&#8217;ve all made them up.</p>
<p>&#8220;Not me&#8221; includes nearly all foreigners, but also includes a large number of Koreans in its daily usage. Only when &#8220;Me&#8221; gets craftily twisted by some demagogue to be &#8220;We&#8221; (as in &#8220;Us Koreans&#8221;) does the foreigner find himself without Korean company in the &#8220;not me&#8221; category. In my opinion, the minute some leader starts up with &#8220;We&#8221; one ought to look very carefully to find the benefit for the speaker&#8217;s &#8220;Me&#8221;.</p>
<p>The Western worldview is more nuanced, particularly that of the American, especially folks from the American Midwest. Our worldview has at least three categories: &#8220;Me and mine&#8221;, &#8220;You and yours&#8221;, and &#8220;Not mine and not yours but belonging to some other, including the possibility of belonging to all of us&#8221;. Actually, if you want to think about it, more categories are possible but these are the basics.</p>
<p>The English/American view is one that enables the preservation of public space for things like parks &#8212; we respect the common good. But the Korean bipolar worldview does not really posit the possibility of respect for the common good. The Korean worldview is win/lose &#8212; if you win, I must necessarily have lost. Thus I must exert all efforts to prevent your win.</p>
<p>Foreign observers who can understand the bipolar worldview will get 95% of what they need to know about Korea from that one concept.</p>
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		<title>By: bumfromkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>bumfromkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 06:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Assuming for the purpose of argument that The Expat™ is filled with hatred and contempt for Korean society, one must consider that the baseline emotional position of the foreigner not yet exposed to Korea is generally neutral to favorable."

Of course, The Korean™ is filled with hatred and contempt for non-Koreans, at least according to quite a number of people here.

Hypocrisy reeks in here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Assuming for the purpose of argument that The Expat™ is filled with hatred and contempt for Korean society, one must consider that the baseline emotional position of the foreigner not yet exposed to Korea is generally neutral to favorable.&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, The Korean™ is filled with hatred and contempt for non-Koreans, at least according to quite a number of people here.</p>
<p>Hypocrisy reeks in here.</p>
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		<title>By: mins0306</title>
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		<dc:creator>mins0306</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 04:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>pawi, good to see you drop by and spew out your hatred.

And who's responsible for your hatred?  You're of course.  Unless you are going to follow the path of every Korean nationalist and blame the Japanese, or someone else other than yourself, for that matter.

And I like the gisaengs in the avatar.  It suits your image a lot better than Kim Myung-min as Adm. Lee Sun-shin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>pawi, good to see you drop by and spew out your hatred.</p>
<p>And who&#8217;s responsible for your hatred?  You&#8217;re of course.  Unless you are going to follow the path of every Korean nationalist and blame the Japanese, or someone else other than yourself, for that matter.</p>
<p>And I like the gisaengs in the avatar.  It suits your image a lot better than Kim Myung-min as Adm. Lee Sun-shin.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mins, good to see you cavort with two of the worst expats korea has to offer. 

****

who'a responsible for your hatred? well, you are, of course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mins, good to see you cavort with two of the worst expats korea has to offer. </p>
<p>****</p>
<p>who&#8217;a responsible for your hatred? well, you are, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 03:21:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I prefer to think of them as old shoes:

http://pets.webshots.com/photo/1046269716026857600hZDBIJ?vhost=pets</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I prefer to think of them as old shoes:</p>
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