In the Dong-A Ilbo, Kim Dong-suk of the New York-New Jersey Korean-American Voters Council New York correspondent Gong Jong-sik writes how “the Jews control the United States” (to quote the headline), even making Washington act contrary to US national interests. Nice image, too. Maybe Kong is just upset about the Wall of Jews ™? (HT to Gypsy Scholar). UPDATE: Kim Dong-suk wrote only the small addendum to the piece on AIPAC’s — or at least an AIPAC official’s — help to get the Congressional “comfort women” passed. The rest was written by the Dong-A Ilbo’s NY correspondent. In fact, Kim was actually a member of AIPAC.
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Not odd at all. Korea is not about principles - let alone ethical ones; it’s about das Volk the 민족.
Thanks for the hat tip.
Jeffery Hodges
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Robert,
If you are suggesting the article is criticizing Jews, then I think you may have misinterpreted it. To me, the articles seems to be saying that Korean-Americans need to be more like Jews.
#3: Good, then maybe they’ll open those delis in Seoul Marmot has been asking for all these years.
The Deli with the Kosher Kim Chee?
Well, to be more precise, he says Korean-Americans should be more like what he thinks the Jews are like. And it’s what he thinks Jews are like that’s problematic:
Yep… it’s that web of Jews controlling the show.
I’m still waiting for my fucking knish.
“The Jews have all the money and the Whites have all the power! And I’m always in taxi-cab with driver who no shower!”
‘이유는 유대계가 정치, 금융, 법조계, 학계, 언론 등 미국 사회 각 분야에 거미줄처럼 퍼져 광범위한 네트워크를 형성하고 있기 때문이다.’
you mean there’s no truth to that? maybe he shouldn’t have used ’spider’s web’ but i think there’s some truth to the above.
You need to read this, Pawi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic_canard
If shit like this continues, someday Korea’s going to look around for friends only to find most of them no longer caring.
Pawi, only in your head son, and the tendencies of some in your community to stereotype ad-nauseum.
One of my students this past semester in a presentation on Korean racism said to his classmates, “You remember learning in school that Koreans are the second most intelligent race after the Jews.”
Interestingly and controversially, there is evidence to back the claim up:
http://www.slate.com/toolbar.a.....id=2177228
http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm
Someday? Other than the United States, name one “friend” of the Republic of Korea and characterize the terms of friendship. North Korea doesn’t count.
the problem arises when the term used is “the Jews” - it would be wiser, for example, to say “people who happen to be Jewish” dominate Hollywood rather than “the Jews dominate Hollywood.”
People who happen to be Jewish are also a leading influence in US foreign policy. Known as the ‘Israeli Lobby’ this loose band of predominantly Jewish-Americans with powerful financial backbone, have shown unflinching determination in steering US foreign policy towards pro-Israeli interests.
From #6 above:
Doesn’t a cabal already exist between CJ Entertainment and SKG Dreamworks?
I can’t think of a better coach-potato cure to wean American children from their 5-hour-a-day TV watching habit than putting Koreans in control of Hollywood.
Does anyone remember General George s. Brown? He was decorated hero of World War II and was sent by President Johnson to Vietnam in 1968 to command the US air war. Later he became Air Force Chief of Staff. He gained little public attention until after his appointment to the Joint Chiefs of Staff, when he made several controversial statements and off-the-cuff remarks that were roundly criticized and proved embarrassing to successive administrations. The first such incident occurred in October 1974 when at a Duke University seminar, he suggested that US Jews exerted undue influence in US affairs because they “own the banks in this country and the newspapers.” He went on to criticize the Jewish lobby in Congress. Then in an interview in late 1976, told a French journalist that Israel was “a burden” to the US. Also described the British military capability as “pathetic” and said that Iran was bent on restoring Persian empire
I’m going to be “more like a Jew” by putting up a menorah this holiday season, instead of a X-mas tree. Who has time to putz around for hours putting up ornaments? With my electric menorah, just plug it in….done. On Xmas Eve, we’ll schlep to a hole-in-the-wall Chinese restaurant that has the best hot-and-sour soup and the most broken English speaking Chinese waiters. Despite the broken English, I’ll demand that the poor waiter explain in detail what the menu items are, despite his difficulty, even though the menu’s in both Chinese and adequate English. Afterwards, we’re at a Starbucks and I’ll place a needlessly and ridiculously annoying and complicated order, like “a decaf grande half-soy, half-low fat, iced vanilla, double-shot, gingerbread cappuccino, extra dry, light ice, with one Sweet-n’-Low and one NutraSweet”, and make the barista look like s/he’ll wanna strangle me.
I’ve gone ahead and translated the article.
http://joshinggnome.wordpress......isemitism/
Enjoy.
Someone’s been watching too many Woody Allen movies.
#17 and #18:
Christmastime for the Jews:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbFFltjoGdI
Good timing…I just found another Hitler bar I’d never seen photos of before…in Ulsan
http://eastwindupchronicle.com/?p=884
‘Pawi, only in your head son, and the tendencies of some in your community to stereotype ad-nauseum.’
rather rich coming from an expat.
folks, what we have here is yet another example of expat hypocrisy wrapped in a blanket of lunacy. rather than discuss the issue, the expat spends his time making personel attacks against those who’d dare disagree with his view of the world. i asked whether there was any validity to what the man wrote. what did i get? did i get an answer? nope. i just got some bald guy calling me ’son’.
having said that, let me say this: jews (3% of the us pop.) don’t control america, but if you’re telling me that they don’t have a tremendous amount of influence on our politics and culture, i’d say you must be on drugs.
lastly, might i tell you why the expat constantly denigrates koreans? because the koreans are some of the few people in this world who’ll tell the expat to go to hell. he don’t like that. he not used to that. first time for him be minority.
pawi, who is “the expat?” Is it me? Is it my filipino coworker? You are certainly in his/her head enough to know “the expat’s” thoughts.
Anyway, you throw the term “the expat” around often. Can you clarify to others who you are talking about exactly?
Hey, maybe if Esther Paik Goodhart has her way, maybe I’ll finally get my knish:
http://www.jstandard.com/artic.....-kimchi%3F
Heh, and that’s what makes you special? I’ve lived and travelled in in no less than seven countries and I’ve heard many of their locals telling their non-immigrant residents to go to hell too, albeit in different forms.
If that’s the best you can do, try harder, perhaps I’ll take you seriously then LOL!
By the way, isn’t the article in question by Kong Jong Sik (공종식)? If I’m not mistaken, the second article is the one by Kim Dong-suk (김동석), isn’t it? If I’m wrong, then I need to correct my blog entry.
Jeffery Hodges
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Actually, you’re right. Thanks for the heads-up — important distinction to make
Pawi, what are you, Korean or American? At least as an expat I have no Robert-Kimesque conflicting loyalties nor any claims to a meta-theory of behaviour based purely on race. And I can support Littlebrownasian’s assertion that there are plenty of other countries that would tell ‘expats’ to go to hell, although many more would embrace pluralism, critique and an exchange of ideas about their country of origin. At any rate, the number of Koreans telling me to go to hell is negligible due to their poor English skills. And now I come to think of it, son, your woeful command of the tongue as evidenced by your inarticulate response is evidence enough of this. Come back when you have achieved a sufficient level on your TOEIC test.
#24,
Yeah, it’s hilarious how things go right over his head sometimes.
“‘Pawi, only in your head son, and the tendencies of some in your community to stereotype ad-nauseum.’
rather rich coming from an expat. ”
LOL.
like i said, the expat can’t argue a point, he just attacks those who don’t agree with his world view. tsk, tsk, tsk…
btw littlebrownasian, don’t you have some bed pan to attend to? lol.
‘i’ve seen expats being told off in other countries too!’
really? then why is it korea makes you so bonkers?
Gooseboy must be looking in the mirror again with his wannabe white face paint on
Do you really want people to answer that question?
“like i said, the expat can’t argue a point, he just attacks those who don’t agree with his world view. tsk, tsk, tsk… ”
I see that you lack a sense of irony.
…and yes, I get the irony of my own comment.
Well, certianly the “jews” aren’t congregating in the synagouges mutually plotting to control the world, but for what its worth Goldman Sachs, founded by a German refugee (Marcus Goldman) who happened to be jewish, is the sixth largest political contributor since 1989: http://opensecrets.org/orgs/index.asp
and can be described as the following: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goldman_Sachs
A cursory look over its current top level executives revels a slew of people who happen to have traditional jewish last names: Stecher, Cohn, Rubin (past, later treasury secretary under Clinton) and a few who are definitly in fact jewish: John Weinberg (VC), Lloyd Blankfein (CEO)
I would say that a few rich and influential people, who happen to be Jewish, exert more economic and political weight on behalf of their common interests, which happento be Jewish, than they would were their interests merely represented by a grassroots PAC, were it also happen to be Jewish… not that there arents already PACs that … er …. happen to be Jewish…
for whats its worth some obsesive freak maintains a wikipedia category on all Jewish business people and politicians…. WTF?
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde.....nesspeople
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/inde.....oliticians
don’t get me wrong, I’m ain’t hat’n or anything…. I figure you’ve got to have a sizable number of either Jews or Chinese to have a functioning global economy… just look at Zimbawe or Hati.
@37
So you’re saying that wealthy and powerful people tend to exercise more influence in the American system than poor and non-powerful people? What a radical idea! And here I was, getting ready to convert to Judaism (or change my name to Rockefeller, Kennedy, Bush, or Walton) in order to start living the high life. Oh, my dreams are shattered!
#37, yeah… I think its safe to say that Jerry Seinfeld and Max Weinberg and his 7 cohorts are not running the show…
Heh, luckily none. I’d hate to be the one who wipes the assess of those whose bowels consists mainly of kimchi spice, pokari sweat and ramyeon.
#31 I say, Pawi, that’s a bit OTT even for you.
Why would this type of thing surprise anyone?
I’m really starting to believe that the majority of Koreans are truly racist. Two years ago, over 50% of foreign students felt Koreans were racist according a June 20, 2005 Korea Times article anyway. Two years and nothing has changed really.
I have never seen or heard of an anti-racism rally here in Korea. Has anyone else? I’m not talking about a rally supporting migrant workers either. I’m talking about a “stop the hate” kinda thing.
#29 is a full-on racist attack.
And in general, the “Pawi-derangement” disease has struck this thread hard. It’s the condition that afflict many Marmot’s Hole denizens that renders them unable to respond to Pawi (and, for that matter, wjk and baduk) in any way other than personal (sometimes racist) attacks.
#29 is a full-on racist attack.
And in general, the “Pawi-derangement” disease has struck this thread hard. It’s the condition that afflicts many Marmot’s Hole denizens that renders them unable to respond to Pawi (and, for that matter, wjk and baduk) in any way other than personal (sometimes racist) attacks.
I personally have nothing against Pawi, his opinions are of his own, same as mine. Didn’t also mind the slightly spicy exchange of banter a few posts back, it was even fun coming up with a rebound.
Please chill out, guys. Can we all just get along?
I was starting to feel a little sympathy for Pawi myself, but a cursory survey of the archives since 2003 cured me.
#44, if in asking Pawi where his loyalties lay (based largely on his being a shill for all things Korean yet residing in the US) and noting that Koreans generally do not have the language skills required for debate/exchange I am being racist, colour me so. Guilty as charged, I guess.
How do I insert one of those rolling eyes emoticons?
#47,
ROFLMAO!
While it would be wrong to say “the Jews control America”, as I suggested earlier, the issue could be avoided by saying ‘people who happen to be Jewish’ dominate American foreign policy. Since foreign policy has ridden roughshod over the US economy in recent years, its fair to say the Jewish state of Israel and pro-Israel groups in the US are driving Washington’s agenda and thus America’s destiny. After-all, Israel receives more US foreign aid than any other country and the US consistently vetoes any UN resolution critical of Israel. If that’s not a dominating influence, I don’t know what is…
watch this documentary ‘The Israel Lobby’ or read the Mearsheimer and Walt essay upon which it is based if you want a more informed idea.
http://video.google.com/videop.....0057137878
A RARE APOLOGY FROM PAWI
what i wrote to lilbrownasian was racist and i apologize. i shouldn’t have written such a thing. baket? saaking mayrun maraming kaibigan pilipino. i’ve got a lot of respect for them.
and thanks, colontos, i thought he was racist too. in fact, i’ve taken the rare step of excommunicating him. he’ll now be ignored and recieve no further communication from me.
ps slim, you review the things i write?
pss dogbert, anything to say?
Hey Pawi,
No harm done, I’m cool with it. I’m too sexy to take myself too seriously anyway. K’chaa!
Pawi, thanks for he early Xmas gift. Now, if you could ignore the board fully and go post where you your ignorant rants would be more appreciated (asiasfinest, for example) it would be just like Kwanzaa, Hanukkah and Eid all rolled into one!
Pawi,
I’m still waiting for the answer to my question in #24. It would help me and hopefully others as well to understand your posts. Once we understand your posts, Colontos will not need to be your apologist. So if you’d be so kind to answer #24, it’d be appreciated.
aaronm,
You think you’re helping with remarks like #53? Enough already.
Aaronm wrote in #48:
“…in asking Pawi where his loyalties lay (based largely on his being a shill for all things Korean yet residing in the US)…”
“Shill for all things Korean”? Define that, pal. I won’t speak for Pawi, but I also sometimes get a bit annoyed with what many of the Western expats on this board write, yet when responding to their sometimes unfair criticisms of Korea that I think DO go overboard at times, I am not being a “shill for all things Korean” NOR am I being anything less than American. I am simply disagreeing with their assessment of how screwed up they make Korea or Koreans in general to be. To say that I and other Americans and Canadians on this board of Korean descent who angrily respond to sometimes unfair and even sometimes racist generalizations of Koreans are a “shill for all things Korean” WOULD be racist, Aaronm. Wouldn’t you agree?
After all, Aaronm, to point out Pawi living in the US but defending Korea from what he perceives to be unfair attacks by his fellow Americans and other Western expats is no worse than, say, a Western expat living in Korea and refusing to live in his OWN country but who goes on to slam Korea while constantly defending his own country.
@56, Very well said and mostely agreeable. But it doesn’t address pawi’s repeated generalizations of, and hateful talk to ALL expats, for which I’d like him to explain his basis.
#48
Questioning an American’s language skills based on his ethnicity is racist.
Is it not fair to ask at this juncture who on this board resorts to crude generalizations and racialist or outright racist taunts more frequently than Pawi himself? I would need explicit examples here, with the objective definition of “racism” scrupulously upheld, and without wielding the word as an epithet against critics who make points one or another group doesn’t like, as is often the case.
I have no urge or cause at all to question Pawi’s loyalties, but I find his “debating style” a far better fit with the various nationalist warriors who go hammer and tong at each other’s countries and cultures, irrespective of topic, in the comments section of Occidentalism.
How do we get a gravitar?
thanks, jk and colontos. i think slim is a fine example of the expat demand to be treated as an individual while he feels free to treat each and every korean as being part of a collective. that’s why he’s so easily dismissed.
racism, slim? derogatory comments to expats ain’t racism, slim. but i’m sure you wish it were.
lastly, thanks, littlebrownasian, for accepting my apology. it bothered me all day that i wrote that. hope you have a good day.
ps if you really want to see pawi’s shitty grammar, ask littlebrownasian about my tagalog grammar!
i just happened to click on the trackback above and found a translated version of the article that this thread is about. i happened to catch something at the tale end of the article:
‘In American politics the Jewish lobby’s power is recognized by everyone but there are still few instances of people saying so publicly. This is because the slightest provocation is branded with the label of ’antisemitism’.’
got that right!
RE: Colontos-Aaron debate on Pawi’s loyalty and language skills.
I think your TOEIC remark was a cheap shot, Aaron. Pawi does display a great fondness for strawman arguments by repeatedly misrepresenting the thoughts and opinions of “the expat,” but this strikes me as deliberate - he sees what he wants to see - and in no way reflective of his English skills. I believe that Pawi is a first generation immigrant whose first language is not English; hence, criticizing his English proficiency is not racist, i.e., not based on race. I do find it offensive when netizens put down the language skills of non-native commenters. Seeking clarification is fine. Insulting people is not.
There is plenty wrong with Pawi’s thinking and worldview, but nothing wrong with his English, save for an uppercase letter allergy easily remedied by using the shift key.
As for Pawi’s loyalty, yes, he does defend the Tribe and denigrate the Expat with predictable regularity, but that tells us nothing about his attitude towards the US, its people, and culture.
My backhanded comment to Pawi was designed to illustrate that the vast majority of Koreans do not engage us in counter-criticism because they largely lack the ability to do so in English. Their skills aside, why aren’t people picking up on the absurdity of yet another ‘all Koreans are X’ comment.
58, I was not questioning Pawi’s language skills on the basis of his ethnicity, but rather on what he has written here. Sorry to offend you but he comes off as an even bigger idiot by adding to his poor logic with grammar that former first graders of mine could correct.
Slim, thanks for pointing out the obvious. Even more galling to see him take the moral high ground when he supposes to be slighted by that which he churns out on a daily basis.
Regarding the question of loyalties. I think it safe to say that Pawi regards the character and nature of the Minjok and the Korean nation to be sacrosanct. Correct me if I am wrong. When watching the Israel Lobby video to which someone posted a link, I stumbled upon a very good point. One of the interviewees opined that never do two states hold the same interests, ever. This is evident with Korea and has been evidenced on these pages so many more times than the case of R.Kim. Korean interests do work at cross-purposes to those of the US frequently, so it must be asked whose interests exactly does Pawi seek to promote through his blind adherence to Korean exceptionalism?
Grammar? I skimmed a few posts and noted two spelling errors - tale/tail and recieve/receive - but found no grammar mistakes, save for the informal “ain’t” and the broken English-sounding “he don’t like that, he not used to that,” both deliberate wording choices.
To aaronm,
What would you think of people from another country living and working in the US and taking advantage of the opportunities in America who then turn around and make gross negative generalizations about America and Americans? What would you say if such a person were highly defensive of anything said about his/her own country, all while living and working successfully in America?
Now turn that around:
Turn this around and ask how an American of Korean descent like myself is to feel when a Westerner NOT of Korean descent chooses to live and work in Korea who chooses to make critical comments about Korea, Koreans, and mentions the infamous Robert Kim in the same breath to imply a conflict in loyalties with those people of Korean descent. Isn’t there something a we bit hypocritical here? As far as we know, Pawi is an American living in America and serving America no matter what he comments he may makes or how he makes them. And you? Just asking. I don’t know anything about you, but if you are living and working in Korea, I don’t find that much difference between you, and say, an immigrant from Korea or Japan or wherever, who has just moved to the US to live and work (temporarily or permanently) but who negatively criticizes Americans in generalizing terms.
I can’t speak for aaronm, but I’d call such a person “jk”, “pawikirogi”, or “wjk”.
“‘In American politics the Jewish lobby’s power is recognized by everyone but there are still few instances of people saying so publicly. This is because the slightest provocation is branded with the label of ’antisemitism’.’
got that right!”
So, you aren’t going to start throwing around the word ‘racist’ around the next time someone mentions the Moonies lobbying US politicians and the Koreagate scandal or the methods Cheabols use to ‘lobby’ the Korean government?
Crap. I spotted an error a second after I clicked ‘Post Comment’ and then tried to shut down my browser before it was loaded up. It didn’t work. So, correction:
So, you aren’t going to start throwing around the word ‘racist’ next time…
sonagi, you say there’s nothing wrong with my grammar and then turn around and say that you believe my first language wasn’t english? why? is it because i make spelling errors?
the truth of the matter is that english is my first language. i don’t care about spelling rules and the like and rarely correct whatever word isn’t spelled right. i’m more interested in whether you understood what i wrote.
and understand most people do. thus, there’s no problem. of course, you could say that whatever i write isn’t logical but i’d probably disagree since it seems clear to me that people understand my point about this and that.
i grew up working class and don’t believe in fancy. i don’t use big words and i don’t use words to try to overwhelm and impress (sperwer) others. in fact, when i think about words, i think about psychology.
moving on, i’m rather surprised to see you put up a defense for me, even if it was backhanded.
oh, my thougts about americans? i am one, even if you don’t agree. in fact, i see myself as american first. but i just love koreans. i’m defensive about them. can you understand that?
A shill is one who promotes something out of self-interest. I think that’s a little off the mark for Pawi. He’s more of a Korean honk. I have yet to see him not take the side of the penninsula, no matter what the topic. From Wondergirls to comic strip writers to sports magazine articles he’s propping them up. I’ve seen him back up ideas that seem to me to be completely irrational. Hey, maybe my thinking is irrational. Perhaps Korea is this graceful nation that never stumbles or misaddresses things. Yet, I have my doubts.
There’s a good chance I’m wrong. I miss alot. Perhaps he has been critical of something Korean. I’m just not aware of it.
Oh, and JK. You want to go to the US, take advantage of all its bounty and then criticise it. Get in line. It’s what we do.
There are alot of things wrong with the US. Feel free to vent. It’s the best thing about America.
i think slim is a fine example of the expat demand to be treated as an individual while he feels free to treat each and every korean as being part of a collective.
This gets to the heart of Pawi’s greatest and most common transgressions: those against logic, reason and intellectual honesty. The reactionary racialism we know to expect from Pawi is just icing on this toxic cake — and I’m afraid it’s too late to change that aspect of his world view.
I’m not a expat and I never made such a demand of anyone, implicitly or otherwise. Being treated as an individual is common sense in most modern parts of the world and should be nothing special. That’s how I treated each and every Korean, Chinese and Japanese individual when I was an expat in those countries some years ago. That was not how I was generally treated there, but I knew going in that, in these countries based on ethnic identity, I would very likely be seen as a representative of “my kind” and kept a low profile. “It ain’t right, it just is.”
My comments about PAWI are not about some hazy “Korean collective” that he is now without a sense of shame or irony trying to hide behind — they are about pointed problems I have with PAWI’S VIEWS. They are extremely well-documented in years of archives, they are so widely shared that aaronm can correctly note above that I am merely “stating the obvious”, and they have never been honestly addressed, not even once. For my money, Pawi is the hatinest dude at the Marmot’s Hole — which is why I see a better fit with the tribalist commenters at Occidentalism.
I share Pawi’s antipathy to labeling a whole people one way or another. I don’t share his habit of doing just that, and that’s precisely why my harshest comments of late are about his “white people this, expat that”. Historically I have been vocal about the problems of the Korean media in this same respect — the very inspiration of his particular thread.
I more than most hate seeing this become “about Pawi” so I’ll leave everyone with a line from satirical folkie Dan Hicks & His Hot Licks: “How can I miss you when you won’t go away?”
Maddlew wrote:
“Oh, and JK. You want to go to the US, take advantage of all its bounty and then criticise it. Get in line. It’s what we do.
There are alot of things wrong with the US. Feel free to vent. It’s the best thing about America.”
I never had to GO to the US. I was always here. And yes, while it’s my right to complain about things in America since it’s my country, I don’t. But when certain people are my country’s representatives to the rest of the world (that includes certain angry expats in Korea), I have a right to correct them.
dogbert, regarding #68,
Complaining about complaining, racist Western expats (you being one of them)is not the same thing as complaining about America and Americans in general. And in case anyone wants to twist my words, no, I am NOT saying that all Western expats living in Korea are complaining and racist.
“While it’s my right to complain about things in America since it’s my country, I don’t.” Why the hell not?
Only the truth bites. A country that is stable and on the right path can withstand criticism. In fact, contrary beliefs and diverse opinions are healthy. If criticism weakens a country, then it is weak and what it stands for is weak. If it crumbles because of this criticism then it ought to.
“oh, my thougts about americans? i am one, even if you don’t agree. ”
And why do you suppose that she doesn’t?
“in fact, when i think about words, i think about psychology. ”
When I see words, I think linguistics. Psychology can only tell you the affect of words, linguistics will tell you why it is so.
If I had a bit more time on my hands, to amuse myself, I might try to show you how it is so. I’m well versed in discourse analysis so I might analyze a random sampling of your posts, say to investigate the connotation of the words that you use when referring to another poster or to the expat community in general. It would be very interesting.
““While it’s my right to complain about things in America since it’s my country, I don’t.” Why the hell not?…”
Yes, you know a nation is in trouble when the citizens are too complacent or fearful to criticize their government.
I’ll take it one step further and say that it’s every patriot’s duty to criticize (no matter what nationality he or she holds)…and maybe even more so for Americans given the history and spirit behind the creation of your constitution.
Complaining about complaining, racist Western expats (you being one of them)is not the same thing as complaining about America and Americans in general….’
that’s really the problem, ain’t it? they think talking about expats is talking america. what arrogance!
as for slim and his rant, can we say ‘yawn’? i’ve yet to see slim condemn one of his own. in fact, slim only condmns those who don’t agree with him and his world view.
‘when i think about words, i think about…’
yeah, who cares what you think about? you think about what you think about and i’ll think about what i think about, k? analyze that.
some examples of words and psych:
‘i’m often mistaken for a movie star…’
‘i couldn’t give a shit less about paswi while i sift through years of his posts….’
Amoung all this chatter, it’s been ignored or at least not addressed that there have been instances where Jewish Americans and Korean Americans have worked together. Take the Rhie Won Bok comic for example. How many of you people know that several Jewish American leaders and senior members of the Korean American Coalition went to Korea together and met with the publisher and with Rhie to carefully explain the problems. After that meeting, they didn’t get an apology, but they did get the publisher to pull the book off the market.
One of the Jewish Americans who was at that meeting, Rabbi Abraham Cooper (with the Simon Wiesenthal Center), came to one of our Korean American Coalition gatherings and personally thanked us for standing shoulder to shoulder with the Jewish American community.
Cooper gave us an interesting story about the first time he went to Korea. He had brought reels of films, documentaries of the holocaust for U.S. troops stationed in Korea. This was during Chung’s administration so a South Korean army major wanted to confiscate the films. Cooper just said, “you know what the Japanese tried to do to your people? Well these films are about how the Germans tried to do the same thing to my people.” After he said that, the major got a couple of buck privates to carry all of Cooper’s bags and reels and he gave him an escort the U.S. army base.
I guess the point of the story is to illistrate my belief that Jews and Koreans probably have more in common then they may even know or acknowledge.
Btw… my bad but Rhie did apologize:
“‘I’m sorry to see things like a frog in a well,’ Rhie said Thursday, referring to a traditional Korean saying that a frog in a well is unaware of the larger world outside. ‘In the future, I will write books in a more responsible way.’”
The apology was, of course, not sufficient for many people.
No, it is not because of your two minor spelling errors. It was an inductive assumption based on your age and your general written English. Many Korean-Americans in your age bracket are first or 1.5 generation immigrants. Your written comments suggest someone who came to the US early enough and has been here long enough to get native grammar and colloquial expressions but was not highly educated in English.
In several comments, you insist that you distinguish between “the expat” and Americans in general, yet you described me as an “arrogant white person” on another thread. I detect some hostility towards people with European ancestry.
Hmmm, that sounds familiar.
Just about anyone who was reading this site at that time knows that.
Seeing as you do not actually live in Korea, I wonder how you can say that so confidently.
Some time after that meeting, I bought copies of those volumes of Rhie’s set at one of Seoul’s largest bookstores. I daresay if I visited the store again today I would easily be able to find the same volumes.
Again with the kyopo arrogance. Not a one of you can ever admit that you might not be 100% infallible.
This insufferable and unwarranted arrogance is why you are so disliked by many Americans.
This is the comment of a person who sees ONLY what she wants to see. I like how you make a stupid assumption sound smart by using words like “inductive” and implying that it was based on anything but your own prejudices.
I mean, honestly, do you people know how people talk? Pawi’s English is perfectly written in an informal, conversational (and often smart-ass) style. If you criticize his English, it means one of a few things: 1-your English is not that good. 2-your English may be good, but it’s not what young Americans speak. 3-you assume his English can’t be good because he’s Asian, and then you project that onto everything he writes.
*Yawn* Colontos, you need to start channeling YoungRocco2. I’ll be glad to discuss my comments with you when you show some wit and humor.
“that’s really the problem, ain’t it? they think talking about expats is talking america. what arrogance!”
Ironically, you use ‘expat’ as a derogatory term for white Americans who live in Korea.
“I mean, honestly, do you people know how people talk? Pawi’s English is perfectly written in an informal, conversational (and often smart-ass) style. If you criticize his English, it means one of a few things: 1-your English is not that good. 2-your English may be good, but it’s not what young Americans speak. 3-you assume his English can’t be good because he’s Asian, and then you project that onto everything he writes.”
Nice try.
I’m not criticizing his English but rather his logic.
Besides, do I know how people talk? Shit, I’m a linguist.
Ever heard of investigative discourse analysis? If I had a week to waste, I could analyze his texts and tell you with a certain degree of certainty what his first language is, his or her age, and where he/she studied English. With more time, say a month or two, I could even tell you if he’s ever used a sock here or what ID he/she might be using at some other websites.
Just has a second look at my post. A ‘certain degree of certainty’? Drop the word ‘certain’. That certainly was not what I had intended to write.
Regarding Rhie, it’s not just the single book with the references to the ‘Wall of Jews’. Apology or not, the guy is a dangerous dunce who influences far too many young people with his nonsense. You can find all manner of silly national/racial essentialising in pretty much any of his tomes. Who could forget the sublimely ridiculous ‘peninsula people are fiery’ in Korea Unmasked? Someone obviously forgot to tell the Malaysians, Cape York Aboriginals, Southern Thais, Tamils and the natives of Terra Del Fuego.
‘I mean, honestly, do you people know how people talk? Pawi’s English is perfectly written in an informal, conversational (and often smart-ass) style. If you criticize his English, it means one of a few things: 1-your English is not that good. 2-your English may be good, but it’s not what young Americans speak. 3-you assume his English can’t be good because he’s Asian, and then you project that onto everything he writes.’ colontos
exactly my thoughts. english is my first language and when the need arises, i can write quite well. there’s no need to do that here. no need to use fancy words and witty grammar. just need to make a point.
‘Ironically, you use ‘expat’ as a derogatory term for white Americans who live in Korea.’
uh, no, that’s what YOU say. your focus is on your race while my focus is on the fact that most of you are jerks. you see the difference? the metro is a black man and i call him an expat too. i don’t like him either. of course, i understand your need to make this a racial issue.
‘This is the comment of a person who sees ONLY what she wants to see. I like how you make a stupid assumption sound smart by using words like “inductive” and implying that it was based on anything but your own prejudices.’ colontos
and what’s so funny is she can’t even see it. she doesn’t realize how racist her comment was. pawi no speakee engrish fost, he speakee kowean first. and she wonders why i called her an arrogant white person. typical.
‘I could analyze his texts and tell you with a certain degree of certainty what his first language is, his or her age, and where he/she studied English. With more time, say a month or two, I could even tell you if he’s ever used a sock here or what ID he/she might be using at some other websites.’ someguyinkorea
lol! and yet i’m a fool who has no idea what he’s talking about. i feel a bit honered.
Colontos’ and Pawi’s ‘logic’:
Pawi is ethnic Asian.
Sonagi criticized Pawi’s English as unsophisticated.
Therefore, Sonagi criticized Pawi’s English because of his Asian ethnicity.
Over the years, there have been a fair number of ethnic Asian commenters, including Haisan, cm, JK, abcdef, Baduk, Jing, and dot-squiggle-asterisk. I have only ever criticized the writing of Pawi and wjk, and my comments about Pawi’s casual writing were in the context of defending his general English.
Nice example of a Cum hoc, Ergo propter hoc.
“uh, no, that’s what YOU say. your focus is on your race while my focus is on the fact that most of you are jerks. you see the difference? the metro is a black man and i call him an expat too. i don’t like him either. of course, i understand your need to make this a racial issue.”
Do I need to bring up the posts of a few months back where you badgering me to reveal more about my ethnic background than I am willing to? Heck, I don’t even need to go that far to prove that you’re so full of it. Read #93.
“lol! and yet i’m a fool who has no idea what he’s talking about. i feel a bit honered.”
Don’t be so fast to get a swollen head. I’m not about to waste my precious time on you.
“Again with the kyopo arrogance. Not a one of you can ever admit that you might not be 100% infallible.”
??? When did “one of us” ever say kyopos were 100% infallible?
“This insufferable and unwarranted arrogance is why you are so disliked by many Americans.”
That’s strange. Where I live in the greater Washington, DC area Korean-Americans are viewed as humble, responsible citizens who follow the law, earn a lot of money, and help the various communities in DC. A large percentage of second-generation Korean-Americans here graduated from America’s best schools and are working professionals in law, medicine, and business. The only drawback of the kyopos in this area is that they tend to vote Republican, which I don’t.
Any more false notions of “us” you wish to convey for me to correct?
GOD NAMES NEXT “CHOSEN PEOPLE”; IT’S JEWS AGAIN
“Oh Shit,” Say Jews
Jerusalem (SatireWire.com) Update — Jews, whose troubled, 10,000-year term as God’s “chosen people” finally expired last night, woke up this morning to find that they had once again been hand-picked by the Almighty. Synagogues across the globe declared a day of mourning.
Asked if the descendants of Abraham shouldn’t be pleased about being tapped for an unprecedented second term, Jerusalem Rabbi Ben Meyerson shrugged. “Of course, you are right, we should be thrilled,” he said. “We should also enjoy a good swift kick in the head, but for some reason, we don’t.
God conducts blind drawing for next Chosen People
God conducts blind drawing.
“Now don’t ask such questions until you watch the news, or read history, or at least rent ‘Fiddler on the Roof’.”
Much of the world’s re-blessed Jewish community shared that feeling. “It’s always been considered a joke with us. You know, ‘Please G-d, next time choose someone else,’ ha ha,” said New York City resident David Bashert.
“Ha. Ha ha,” Bashert added. “Shit.”
According to a worldwide survey of faiths, not a single group expressed an interest in being chosen, and the only application submitted before last night’s filing deadline, on behalf of the Islamic people, proved to be a fake.
“Somebody filled out a form and signed our name to it, but I guarantee it wasn’t us,” said Imam Yusuf Al Muhammed of Medina, Saudi Arabia. “I’m not going to say who it was, but the application was filled out in Hebrew.”
“Oh, don’t be such a k’vatsh,” responded Meyerson. “It’s only 10,000 years. Trust me, after a few diaspora, you would have gotten used to the universal hatred thing.”
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Due to the absence of voluntary candidates, God’s Law stipulated that the Almighty had to choose a people at random to serve out the next 10-millenia term. Elias Contreau, director of the International Interfaith Working Group, said he wasn’t surprised it came to a blind drawing.
“According to the Bible, God promised to bless Abraham and those who came after him,” said Contreau. “Who knows, maybe that sounded good at the time, or maybe ‘blessed’ meant something different back then, like ‘Short periods of prosperity interrupted by insufferable friggin’ chaos.’ Whatever, I think it’s safe to say that people didn’t know what they were agreeing to.”
Now they do, Contreau added, which he said explains why so many religions had lately been exalting God’s existence, but downplaying their own.
“We were not avoiding Him. We just told our parishioners that if Anyone asks, we’re out,” insisted Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. George Carey, who had called off services during February. “Besides, we weren’t the only ones. I didn’t see the Hindus raising their hands.”
“Now look, it’s like we told the ethereal vision who dropped off the application, ‘Sure, we have a strong shared faith and all that, but I wouldn’t exactly say we’re a ‘people,’ not really,’” recalled Hindu leader Samuldrala Swami Maharaj of Calcutta. “Plus, you know, I told him we had a lot of other commitments. We’d like to help, honestly. Another time, maybe.”
In Jerusalem, Jewish leaders said they will propose an amendment to God’s Law prohibiting a people from having to serve more than two consecutive terms. “Hopefully, G-d will hear our prayer,” said Meyerson. “No, wait, that’s what got us into this.”
Americans, meanwh