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		<title>By: StonedAsian</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/16/nice-to-know-what-you-think-of-us/#comment-125169</link>
		<dc:creator>StonedAsian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Dec 2007 02:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What's up Someguy.

I haven't seen the show but I'm assuming you have. I'm just going by what's written on here.

You can poke and make it amusing when criticizing someone, I agree. But from what I've read, this isn't some variety or a comedy show. So what's not tasteful about the show besides the fact that its not humorous? Are they depicting something thats improbable in America? Or is it because you aren't used to seeing a (white) American doing anything but saving "the world" in movies or TV?

Negative depiction of a minority population? People speaking in accents other then their own in tv programs? We here in the U.S. written a book, graduated with flying colors a long time ago on stuff like that and did it in much more grand scale. The diploma and the book's probably under a rug somewhere. Xenophobia? Discrimination? We do it so well now, people here don't even realize it when they see it. If they do see it, they turn the other way. Unless of course, when people feel the tables turn. The hypocrisy very funny to me.

Look, I'm not saying 2 wrongs make it right.  And I don't know who watches the show or what Meg Ryan said. But think about this. the same people complaining about this is probably the same people who thought "get over it" when Rosie O'donell made those "ching chong" comments(would've been a joke if it was funny), and probably the same people who thinks Jena 6 is a girl band.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s up Someguy.</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the show but I&#8217;m assuming you have. I&#8217;m just going by what&#8217;s written on here.</p>
<p>You can poke and make it amusing when criticizing someone, I agree. But from what I&#8217;ve read, this isn&#8217;t some variety or a comedy show. So what&#8217;s not tasteful about the show besides the fact that its not humorous? Are they depicting something thats improbable in America? Or is it because you aren&#8217;t used to seeing a (white) American doing anything but saving &#8220;the world&#8221; in movies or TV?</p>
<p>Negative depiction of a minority population? People speaking in accents other then their own in tv programs? We here in the U.S. written a book, graduated with flying colors a long time ago on stuff like that and did it in much more grand scale. The diploma and the book&#8217;s probably under a rug somewhere. Xenophobia? Discrimination? We do it so well now, people here don&#8217;t even realize it when they see it. If they do see it, they turn the other way. Unless of course, when people feel the tables turn. The hypocrisy very funny to me.</p>
<p>Look, I&#8217;m not saying 2 wrongs make it right.  And I don&#8217;t know who watches the show or what Meg Ryan said. But think about this. the same people complaining about this is probably the same people who thought &#8220;get over it&#8221; when Rosie O&#8217;donell made those &#8220;ching chong&#8221; comments(would&#8217;ve been a joke if it was funny), and probably the same people who thinks Jena 6 is a girl band.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/16/nice-to-know-what-you-think-of-us/#comment-124942</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:08:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about this: the people who watch that show are probably the same ones who freaked out when Meg Ryan joked on American TV about her weird experiences shooting TV ads here, and she didn't even mention Korea by name.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about this: the people who watch that show are probably the same ones who freaked out when Meg Ryan joked on American TV about her weird experiences shooting TV ads here, and she didn&#8217;t even mention Korea by name.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/16/nice-to-know-what-you-think-of-us/#comment-124941</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Dec 2007 03:04:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#79,

I'm neither white nor American, not that it should matter.
  
Read comments 3 and 4.  There are tasteful ways to poke at other countries.  Making a TV show such as that one isn't one of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#79,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m neither white nor American, not that it should matter.</p>
<p>Read comments 3 and 4.  There are tasteful ways to poke at other countries.  Making a TV show such as that one isn&#8217;t one of them.</p>
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		<title>By: StonedAsian</title>
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		<dc:creator>StonedAsian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 13:29:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aww man, I'm dying over here from laughter. Americans complaining about racial injustice in Korea. I'm hoping most of you guys are white, because it'll be that much funnier. If you are of any other race-American, and you're bitching about this, then you got priority issues. Also funny.

How many time have I set infront of TV in my home to see another black man get vilified? Why are (black) people in New Orleans still in fema trailer "camps"? Why did the 3 top tier candidates from the republican presidential election decline to attend a PBS debate infront of a mostly black audience recently? Yellow peril? What's the hell's that? is it like bird flu?

But we're not talking about America's deep rooted racism and its effect on modern society, we're talking about negative portrayal of Americans on Korean TV, including some US government agencies. Which is what? racism?

You guys ever ask why Americans are portrayed in such way? Not just in Korea, all over.

So you don't beat your Korean spouse, and don't use racially offensive words, does that mean it doesn't happen? 

As far as US government doing shady things, it ain't nothing new. Osama-CIA, Noreaga-CIA connections, and the Shah of Iran come to mind.

I've read a few articles here now and then, but these "racially charged" ones are the best for comic relief on this site. Especially when white Americans think they're on the the receiving end of these "racial discriminations".

Anyways, if you don't want to be portrayed in a negative way, tell your people to stop fucking up. Matter of fact, start at the top, vote for Ron Paul 2008 ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aww man, I&#8217;m dying over here from laughter. Americans complaining about racial injustice in Korea. I&#8217;m hoping most of you guys are white, because it&#8217;ll be that much funnier. If you are of any other race-American, and you&#8217;re bitching about this, then you got priority issues. Also funny.</p>
<p>How many time have I set infront of TV in my home to see another black man get vilified? Why are (black) people in New Orleans still in fema trailer &#8220;camps&#8221;? Why did the 3 top tier candidates from the republican presidential election decline to attend a PBS debate infront of a mostly black audience recently? Yellow peril? What&#8217;s the hell&#8217;s that? is it like bird flu?</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re not talking about America&#8217;s deep rooted racism and its effect on modern society, we&#8217;re talking about negative portrayal of Americans on Korean TV, including some US government agencies. Which is what? racism?</p>
<p>You guys ever ask why Americans are portrayed in such way? Not just in Korea, all over.</p>
<p>So you don&#8217;t beat your Korean spouse, and don&#8217;t use racially offensive words, does that mean it doesn&#8217;t happen? </p>
<p>As far as US government doing shady things, it ain&#8217;t nothing new. Osama-CIA, Noreaga-CIA connections, and the Shah of Iran come to mind.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve read a few articles here now and then, but these &#8220;racially charged&#8221; ones are the best for comic relief on this site. Especially when white Americans think they&#8217;re on the the receiving end of these &#8220;racial discriminations&#8221;.</p>
<p>Anyways, if you don&#8217;t want to be portrayed in a negative way, tell your people to stop fucking up. Matter of fact, start at the top, vote for Ron Paul 2008 <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 01:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#71,

Sure, racism here is pretty mild.  

But, some elements of Korean nationalism has been influenced by Nazism through the intermediary of Yi Pom Sok.

http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/04/the_gates_of_th.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#71,</p>
<p>Sure, racism here is pretty mild.  </p>
<p>But, some elements of Korean nationalism has been influenced by Nazism through the intermediary of Yi Pom Sok.</p>
<p><a href="http://metropolitician.blogs.com/scribblings_of_the_metrop/2006/04/the_gates_of_th.html" rel="nofollow">http://metropolitician.blogs.c.....of_th.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: abcdefg</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/16/nice-to-know-what-you-think-of-us/#comment-124612</link>
		<dc:creator>abcdefg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 15:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apologia? It's far more appropriate to be punitive than apologetic. In truth, this thread = Another fine example of expat fools making mountains out of molehills.
 
For the record, this drama does NOT generalize. The Americans are incidental to the show and they are portrayed in diverse ways -as kind, as mean- as are the Koreans and Asians in the story. There are no fences here. The fact that some of the bad characters are American means absolutely shit. The abusive caricatures we see ought to be chalked up, plain and simple, to cheesy writing and convenient story device rather than ascribed to some ideological move against whitey (blacky, et al), and this is the obvious part. Consider how cheesy everyone else is characterized, consider the role of the kindly white man who helps the girl's father get a job as a bus driver. Secondary and non-Korean characters tend to be poorly written and produced in Kdrama in general. It's due to a lack of imagination, lack of good actors, and poor production values.

Lobbyist is tv pap, in other words. Nobody in their right minds ought to be taking it seriously. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply has not seen the show or else must exist in that habitual category of expat mentioned above. 

Anyway, I watched a few eps and stopped watching after that. It just sucks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apologia? It&#8217;s far more appropriate to be punitive than apologetic. In truth, this thread = Another fine example of expat fools making mountains out of molehills.</p>
<p>For the record, this drama does NOT generalize. The Americans are incidental to the show and they are portrayed in diverse ways -as kind, as mean- as are the Koreans and Asians in the story. There are no fences here. The fact that some of the bad characters are American means absolutely shit. The abusive caricatures we see ought to be chalked up, plain and simple, to cheesy writing and convenient story device rather than ascribed to some ideological move against whitey (blacky, et al), and this is the obvious part. Consider how cheesy everyone else is characterized, consider the role of the kindly white man who helps the girl&#8217;s father get a job as a bus driver. Secondary and non-Korean characters tend to be poorly written and produced in Kdrama in general. It&#8217;s due to a lack of imagination, lack of good actors, and poor production values.</p>
<p>Lobbyist is tv pap, in other words. Nobody in their right minds ought to be taking it seriously. Anyone who thinks otherwise simply has not seen the show or else must exist in that habitual category of expat mentioned above. </p>
<p>Anyway, I watched a few eps and stopped watching after that. It just sucks.</p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 04:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WangKon936:

Well, it's not for want of trying, and who knows - I just signed on as an adviser to the FP adviser of one of the candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WangKon936:</p>
<p>Well, it&#8217;s not for want of trying, and who knows - I just signed on as an adviser to the FP adviser of one of the candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: WangKon936</title>
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		<dc:creator>WangKon936</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 03:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sperwer,

Isn't it nice to know that neither of us influence or dictate policy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sperwer,</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it nice to know that neither of us influence or dictate policy?</p>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 02:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, thanks to Sonagi for the link to the 'MySoju' link for imbedded video of Korean dramas &lt;b&gt;with English subtitles&lt;/b&gt;. I enjoy watching Korean dramas, but it's tough going trying to understand everything that's said in real-time. If you like dramas, bbe sure to check out this link - it's really good.

That said, having watched the first six links (about two hours total) of this show, the story is generally developing okay so far, with the rightly-criticised exception of the whole 'Joo-ho and his sister move to Philidelphia' sub-plot.

First, they're on what looks to be a fairly sizable horse farm - &lt;i&gt;in Philidelphia&lt;/i&gt;. Did I miss something here? The farm's owner (Joo-ho's aunt's white trash husband) never seems to do anything except drink bourbon straight from the bottle, clean his gun, and beat his wife and Joo-ho in various ways.

Anyone searching for reasonableness of plot here will just get stuck with bad writing that simply begs the question of why they couldn't have made the husband's character more realistic without having him be nice. This part of the drama just ends up looking like a tired piece of race-baiting rather than an interesting complication to the storyline.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, thanks to Sonagi for the link to the &#8216;MySoju&#8217; link for imbedded video of Korean dramas <b>with English subtitles</b>. I enjoy watching Korean dramas, but it&#8217;s tough going trying to understand everything that&#8217;s said in real-time. If you like dramas, bbe sure to check out this link - it&#8217;s really good.</p>
<p>That said, having watched the first six links (about two hours total) of this show, the story is generally developing okay so far, with the rightly-criticised exception of the whole &#8216;Joo-ho and his sister move to Philidelphia&#8217; sub-plot.</p>
<p>First, they&#8217;re on what looks to be a fairly sizable horse farm - <i>in Philidelphia</i>. Did I miss something here? The farm&#8217;s owner (Joo-ho&#8217;s aunt&#8217;s white trash husband) never seems to do anything except drink bourbon straight from the bottle, clean his gun, and beat his wife and Joo-ho in various ways.</p>
<p>Anyone searching for reasonableness of plot here will just get stuck with bad writing that simply begs the question of why they couldn&#8217;t have made the husband&#8217;s character more realistic without having him be nice. This part of the drama just ends up looking like a tired piece of race-baiting rather than an interesting complication to the storyline.</p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Dec 2007 00:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And we'll take notice of South Korea's needs when the NORK shells and missiles come scudding over Bukhansan.

Oh, that'll  be too late; so sorry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And we&#8217;ll take notice of South Korea&#8217;s needs when the NORK shells and missiles come scudding over Bukhansan.</p>
<p>Oh, that&#8217;ll  be too late; so sorry.</p>
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