Comments on: China Growing Meaner . . . http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/ Korea... in Blog Format Fri, 16 May 2008 03:51:41 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: colontos http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123973 colontos Sun, 16 Dec 2007 13:01:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123973 Jing, your <strong>p</strong>osition seems like a well-r<strong>e</strong>asoned and well-thought-out o<strong>n</strong>e, totally untouched by chauvin<strong>i</strong>stic nationalism or a tendency to blame the victim. I would like to have you come teach me about economic<strong>s</strong>, some time, as well. Jing, your position seems like a well-reasoned and well-thought-out one, totally untouched by chauvinistic nationalism or a tendency to blame the victim. I would like to have you come teach me about economics, some time, as well.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123914 SomeguyinKorea Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:54:55 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123914 I should have specified "some Koreans are not immune". I should have specified “some Koreans are not immune”.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123912 SomeguyinKorea Sun, 16 Dec 2007 02:51:05 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123912 Interesting story, CM. You know, Koreans are not immune to making unfounded accusations directed at China, although here it's nationalist groups who are mostly responsible (as opposed to the government in China). Here's from a Wiki article about Beakdu Mountain: "Some South Korean groups argue that recent activities conducted on the Chinese side of the border, such as economic development, cultural festivals, infrastructure development, promotion of the tourism industry, attempts at registration as a World Heritage Site, and bids for a Winter Olympic Games, are an attempt to claim the whole mountain as Chinese territory. These groups object to China's use of Changbai Mountain, which has been used since Liao Dynasty[3] and Jin Dynasty, 1115-1234[4]. However, in more pre-modern eras this mountain was known and referred to as BaiTou Mountain (the Chinese literation of "Baekdu Mountain.") by the Chinese residents of the mountain themselves, Changbai mountain seems to be a more recent (mere decades ago) renaming of Baekdu (BaiTou) Mountain. Some groups also regard the entire mountain as Korean territory that was given away by North Korea, when the Japanese sold this land without any Korean consent in the deal during the late Chosun Dynasty. " These are all moot points. In 1962, China and North Korea signed a border agreement in which they agreed to share the mountain. Sucks for South Korean nationalists, but it's a fait accompli: Beakdu Mountain is also Chinese, and therefore China is well within its rights to call and develop its flank of the mountain as it wishes. Then again, nationalist groups aren't in the business of promoting the truth. Interesting story, CM.

You know, Koreans are not immune to making unfounded accusations directed at China, although here it’s nationalist groups who are mostly responsible (as opposed to the government in China). Here’s from a Wiki article about Beakdu Mountain:

“Some South Korean groups argue that recent activities conducted on the Chinese side of the border, such as economic development, cultural festivals, infrastructure development, promotion of the tourism industry, attempts at registration as a World Heritage Site, and bids for a Winter Olympic Games, are an attempt to claim the whole mountain as Chinese territory. These groups object to China’s use of Changbai Mountain, which has been used since Liao Dynasty[3] and Jin Dynasty, 1115-1234[4]. However, in more pre-modern eras this mountain was known and referred to as BaiTou Mountain (the Chinese literation of “Baekdu Mountain.”) by the Chinese residents of the mountain themselves, Changbai mountain seems to be a more recent (mere decades ago) renaming of Baekdu (BaiTou) Mountain. Some groups also regard the entire mountain as Korean territory that was given away by North Korea, when the Japanese sold this land without any Korean consent in the deal during the late Chosun Dynasty. ”

These are all moot points. In 1962, China and North Korea signed a border agreement in which they agreed to share the mountain. Sucks for South Korean nationalists, but it’s a fait accompli: Beakdu Mountain is also Chinese, and therefore China is well within its rights to call and develop its flank of the mountain as it wishes. Then again, nationalist groups aren’t in the business of promoting the truth.

]]> By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123801 R. Elgin Sat, 15 Dec 2007 16:10:01 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123801 . . . and two wrongs do not make for right either but I have lost count of how many wrongs the Chinese Government has committed. Keep your cheese; perhaps it will get better with time. . . . and two wrongs do not make for right either but I have lost count of how many wrongs the Chinese Government has committed.

Keep your cheese; perhaps it will get better with time.

]]> By: Jing http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123795 Jing Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:55:40 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123795 Would you like some cheese to go with that whine? All of history is written by the bloody hand of murderers and conquerors and all the borders of today's nations were forged based on the principal of who has the sharpest sword. Since when has anyone gained territory through ethical means? This all began when Ugg started coveting Oog's fine cave and winsome woman and decided to rectify the situation with a big stick and a bigger rock. Would you like some cheese to go with that whine?

All of history is written by the bloody hand of murderers and conquerors and all the borders of today’s nations were forged based on the principal of who has the sharpest sword. Since when has anyone gained territory through ethical means?

This all began when Ugg started coveting Oog’s fine cave and winsome woman and decided to rectify the situation with a big stick and a bigger rock.

]]> By: R. Elgin http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123791 R. Elgin Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:15:59 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123791 China and its aggressive misinterpretation of history, regarding its neighbors or territory it has gained through unethical means has a relationship to and impact upon its close neighbors -- which includes Korea. Through such entrails, history is often made, if not read. I also do no know who I despise more: murdering thieves or the fools that admire them; considering their crimes misunderstood virtues. China and its aggressive misinterpretation of history, regarding its neighbors or territory it has gained through unethical means has a relationship to and impact upon its close neighbors — which includes Korea. Through such entrails, history is often made, if not read.

I also do no know who I despise more: murdering thieves or the fools that admire them; considering their crimes misunderstood virtues.

]]> By: Jing http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123789 Jing Sat, 15 Dec 2007 15:00:18 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123789 I don't know what whom I despise more, the smarmy old charlatan known as the Dalai Lama, or his equally vapid, over-estrogened "devotees". I don’t know what whom I despise more, the smarmy old charlatan known as the Dalai Lama, or his equally vapid, over-estrogened “devotees”.

]]> By: Sonagi http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123788 Sonagi Sat, 15 Dec 2007 14:31:40 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123788 I am an admirer of the Dalai Lama and have read two of his books. However, the NYT article was a non-story, i.e, there was no real news, and I don't see the relevance of the issue of the Dalai Lama's relations with Beijing to the readership of this blog. I am an admirer of the Dalai Lama and have read two of his books. However, the NYT article was a non-story, i.e, there was no real news, and I don’t see the relevance of the issue of the Dalai Lama’s relations with Beijing to the readership of this blog.

]]> By: Jing http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123786 Jing Sat, 15 Dec 2007 13:58:21 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123786 This is a completely misleading headline Marmot, the article you linked to says no such thing. All it says is, "The Dalai Lama said Thursday that China is taking an increasingly harsh stance on Tibet and he appealed for international help during a visit to Rome.". What a harsh stance vis-a-vis the Dalai Lama actually means is that Beijing is ignoring him. This is a completely misleading headline Marmot, the article you linked to says no such thing. All it says is, “The Dalai Lama said Thursday that China is taking an increasingly harsh stance on Tibet and he appealed for international help during a visit to Rome.”.

What a harsh stance vis-a-vis the Dalai Lama actually means is that Beijing is ignoring him.

]]> By: dogbertt http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123729 dogbertt Sat, 15 Dec 2007 03:07:37 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/14/china-growing-meaner/#comment-123729 Dali was the painter. Dali was the painter.

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