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If you’re one of those brave souls who takes a midwinter dip, you might want to go to the East Sea this year: [http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7132349.stm].
I know we’ve gone over this before, but the taxi situation here after midnight is truly f’d. My friend had a going away party last night and my wife and I attended, of course. My wife became ill and so we had to get home. We were only about two kilometers from home but my wife couldn’t walk. The taxis refused to take us.
The only way we could have gotten a ride is if we lived in Suwon or Ilsan. It took us an hour and a half to get a cab and we had to pay 15,000 to go two kilometers. Something has got to be done about this hideous lack of compassion.
Oh, and my wife wasn’t drunk. She was just very sick.
yay. it’s too fucking right-wing in here.
This taxi experience used to be the norm everywhere in Seoul in the 90s. I though it had improved, but recently I tried to catch a cab at Kangnam station around midnight. There was no shortage of cabs, but none would take me. And, contrary to what happened in the early 90s, when post-midnight cab drivers would skirt around foreigners and let only Koreans shout their destination to see if they wanted that course, today it seems that late-night cabbies are equal-opportunity assholes.
I saw a couple of angry Korean men shouting at cabbies, taking pictures of the registration plates and telling the cabbies they were going to report them. Hope they had large memory cards in their phones, cuz they didn’t get more lucky than I did…
“dda”, Kangnam is like that. Walk up to one cab and there is puke on the door handle or get into one and the driver rudely waves one out, however, in ee-chon (이촌) dong, 3-5 in the morning, the drivers have always been nice and professional. It has to do with the neighborhood.
Sometimes, in Kangnam during the wee hours, I stand as if I’m waiting for a ride and after a while several cabs may pull up tentatively, waiting to see if I need a ride. One must be willing to fish, perhaps.
P.S. Check this photoshop job out of Ali boxing and rocking out over his opponent. I absolutely loved it.
Former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, a “9/11 Truther”?
“On November 30th, the former President of Italy, Francesco Cossiga, wrote in Italy’s largest newspaper:
” all democratic elements of America and Europe, and especially the Italian center-left, are well aware that the disastrous attack was planned and executed by the American CIA and the Mossad with help from organized Zionists in order to accuse the Arab world and to induce the Western powers to intervene in both Iraq and Afghanistan ”
(in Italian) http://www.corriere.it/politic.....c53b.shtml
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesco_Cossiga
Will they be up for a long fare from Melon-Ax to Pyoungtaek? I’ll need a ride home from the Dream Theater concert.
#8:
You expect us to believe that Mossad and the CIA were behind 9/11 because an Italian politician known for making controversial statements said so? Bahahahaha. I’d never even heard of the guy, and the Wiki article you linked to didn’t exactly paint a glowing picture of an esteemed world statesman.
Robert, did you read B.R. Myers’ new review in the Atlantic?
Gyaaaaah! Is it spring yet?
The B.R. Myers review is here for anyone who would like to read it:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/vietnam
Sonagi,
Cossiga blew the whistle on certain staged terror events that were parts of Operation Gladio
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
He also has a background in Italian intelligence [insert snarky comment about oxymorons here].
Work through your cognitive dissonance and do your homework, folks.
Elvislovechild,
Bin Laden was on video bragging about 9-11. Was he part of the Jewish-CIA conspiracy, too?
Ha!,
Bin Laden shat on the US so bad that the US people are still trying to figure out what that taste is in its mouth. Kinda like Pearl Harbor, but a little more muskier. A hint of Vietnam, but minus the hindsight.
Time to emmigrate people, while working toward masking your accents.
Personally, I pity those that made a commitment toward the US against their own nation unto which they were natively -born that are now legally obliged to follow through.
Beyonce and Michael Bay will only get you so far.
You know, Bush and his crew have done an effective enough job of discrediting their side of the political spectrum on their own that they don’t need “truthers” waving their tinfoil hats around in an attempt to pin 9/11 on them.
There’s no cognitive dissonance for us non-truthers. That’s why we laugh at conspiracy theories. The CIA and other intelligence agencies East and West have carried out much mischief, but there simply isn’t any credible evidence linking the CIA, Mossad, or any other Western intelligence agency to the events of 9/11.
My parents owned a taxi driver and I drove all though university. There are two schools of taxi driving:
1) I am going to wait for the long ride because that is how I am going to make a lot of money.
2)I am going to have the car loaded and the meter on no matter how short the trip is.
I ascribed to view number 2. And you know what? Well, I continually smoked the drivers who ascribed to view #1. Long trip actually lose you money since you have to deadhead back.
I remembered seeing the taxis lining up in Itaewon and being unable to get one to run me home in Haebangchon. When you are lined up and waiting, you are not making any money.
Sonagi: “You expect us to believe that Mossad and the CIA were behind 9/11 ”
No. but I expect you to to think for yourself rather than swallow wholesale the fantasy wares of establishment media.
“there simply isn’t any credible evidence linking the CIA, Mossad, or any other Western intelligence agency to the events of 9/11.”
the NYT and others reported the 5 “dancing Israelis” (who turned out to be MOSSAD agents), videoing and cheering the 9/11 attacks as they happened.
http://www.whatreallyhappened......aelis.html
Cinemadouche and Elvishaslefttheuniverse need a s six pack of Fleet apiece. Would someone call the drugstore and instruct the knuckleheads on on proper cranial application.
I was waiting for the “dancing Mossad agents” story to come out. I read the linked article, checking out the supporting links. US media and Haaretz did report the arrest of five Israeli nationals working in the US illegally and the possibility they were using the moving company as a cover for intellgence activities, specifically gathering information on “fund-raising networks channeling money to Hamas” and other groups that carry out suicide bombings.
Use a little common sense, cinemagauche, if you have any. Would Mossad agents clever, skillful, and secretive enough to pull out a big event like 9/11 be stupid enough to stand outside on a rooftop “dancing and cheering”? The men did videotape the burning buildings, but reports of “dancing and cheering” come from upset people who mistook them for Arabs. You also need to check carefully those linked citations to see what the cited articles actually state. Selective citations are a common text-proofing distortion of information.
Just a couple days ago, a young white guy went into a mall and gunned down eight people. Shall we talk about his ethnicity and what it had to do with his actions? Shall we talk about the culture from which he came as being partially responsible for his crime? Shall we? No, we shall not. Why? He’s not Korean. That’s why. Consistency, expat. Consistency.
btw, these kinds of things happen so frequently here that the only chatter I’ve heard goes like this:
‘yeah, so what’s new?’ Wow, it’s almost the same attitude Koreans take towards corruption.
As concerns that mall shooting, I blame the kid’s culture: EMO!
Come on white guys !
Own up to it.
When Cho shot up that many people, it made bizzare connections.
This Omaha shooting made way less connections.
Face it. Be honest. 50-60 years isn’t enough to eradicate racism, even though that’s what’s preached in the school system.
Dinner table conversations have continuous impact as well.
And most likely, your grandpa, grandma were/are racists. Reformed racists, perhaps.
So are my Korean ones.
There, I owned up to it.
Why don’t you also, instead of pretending.
And living 50 miles away from major city housing projects.
How did housing projects become a bad thing where socialism tried to allow poor people to live close to the city at an affordable price?
The answer is,
da, da, dum
R A C I S M
And getting upset at Koreans, saying they are the most racist in the entire world.
How many millions have Koreans killed because they couldn’t tolerate other races?
Millions?
None, if you’re counting by millions.
wjk and pawi,
Perhaps you should not so be hypocritical while trying to point out hypocrisy.
Just a thought.
#28,
Yeah, someone really needs to take a good look in the mirror. Saying their grandparents were racist is a cop out. It doesn’t change anything about their own racist attitudes.
cinemagauche, loony as you are, I defended your right to free speech a couple of weeks ago when others called you a troll for this simple reason: I personally thought it was funny as hell the way you set the lawyer off into a blind frothing rage 100 times out of proportion with any offense you caused.
Sonagi’s just not giving me the same payback. So, please, get the lawyer lathered up again, or lay off all things 9-11. You’re tired already.
#26,
“When Cho shot up that many people, it made bizzare connections.
This Omaha shooting made way less connections.
”
Who were making the connections? Korean-American politicians and others who had a vested interest in taking the role of the victim. They spread irrational fears within the Korean-American community, talking about a backlash that never came. We certainly weren’t the one making the connection. I guess that the fact you bring it up again means you’re really frustrated about the fact that we blamed him and American society, not his ‘Koreanness’, that you’re fishing for someone to make a statement that will validate your own hateful attitude.
“and most likely, your grandpa, grandma were/are racists. Reformed racists, perhaps.
So are my Korean ones.
There, I owned up to it.
why don’t you also, instead of pretending.”
My mother and her classmates donated most of their allowance during and after the Korean war to a charitable organization that helped build schools in China. My paternal grandfather’s best friend and neighbor for close to 70 years was a Lebanese man. My grandfather was Christian, his friend was Muslim. Both my paternal grandparents are multi-ethnic. Oh, and one more detail…Some of my ancestors survived two very different and real genocides in the last few hundred years.
“#
how did housing projects become a bad thing where socialism tried to allow poor people to live close to the city at an affordable price?
the answer is,
da, da, dum
R A C I S M”
Da da dumb, indeed.
Funny, I thought that being on the bottom rung of the ladder (ie. having a shitty low-paying job) was the problem. It isn’t? Well then, explain to me why so many people who live in low-rent housing in Canada are white? What are you going to blame for that? White people’s laziness, you hypocrite?
Correction: ….schools in China and Korea…
some dude, I am NOT a hypocrite.
I’m saying this by evaluating myself in the most objective of all objectiveness possible as the human being, wjk.
2nd, I’m sure this is offending to you, but from our viewpoint, your grandpop is grieving on the other side of the world for your soul.
3rd, I have way too many enemies already.
4th, I think I’ll stop mentioning the same themes in each open thread. Be warned. This may lead to me having nothing much to say. And someday, someday, some dude will ask
“where is wjk? I miss that guy.”
Have a great December.
Huh?
Yeah, Koreans are very admirable for typically only killing each other in the millions.
It’s that do-it-yourself spirit that’s the cornerstone of the culture.
“I’m saying this by evaluating myself in the most objective of all objectiveness possible as the human being, wjk.”
I see.
Be warned. This may lead to me having nothing much to say.
Isn’t that already the case? At least of substance anyway.
And someday, someday, some dude will ask
“where is wjk? I miss that guy.”
I seriously doubt it.
“2nd, I’m sure this is offending to you, but from our viewpoint, your grandpop is grieving on the other side of the world for your soul.”
LOL, There you go again with your assumptions. My grandfather was one of the few people in our town who had already traveled around the world in 1930s. Who do you think inspired me to do the same?
Sonagi: “Would Mossad agents clever, skillful, and secretive enough to pull out a big event like 9/11 be stupid enough to stand outside on a rooftop “dancing and cheering”? The men did videotape the burning buildings, but reports of “dancing and cheering” come from upset people who mistook them for Arabs.”
I never said MOSSAD agents pulled off 9/11, but they were either involved or had foreknowledge. As to their stupidity, it’s more likely that, knowing what was unfolding, they dressed in Arab garb in order to be seen cheering the attacks.
Several reports of Israelis having foreknowledge of the attacks appeared in mainstream media. For example, Israeli Telecom company Odigo with headquaters near the WTC, received warnings 2 hours before the attacks.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/p.....emNo=77744
Linkd: “cinemagauche, loony as you are… …lay off all things 9-11. You’re tired already”
it’s your childish name-calling that’s tiring. I won’t bother to reciprocate this time. It’s an open thread. If you don’t like my posts — kindly skip over them, thanks.
Re: Huh? No offense intended Sonagi, you’re awesome. I meant: cg is a very good debater and writer, but that doesn’t make him interesting. What WAS interesting was his effect on the lawyer. I thought, anyway. Anyone of course is free to rise to cg’s bait and debate him at their leisure. Please feel free to do, he’s obviously willing to take all comers.
You’re right, Linkd. I think we should all take cinemagauche’s advice:
cg, I would be more interested if you could offer up more proof for what you’re claiming. I think the onus falls on you (or other conspiracy theorists) to provide better evidence to prove what would likely be the biggest conspiracy in human history. (Some of the more popular conspiracy myths - such as the Pentagon not having been hit by the American Airlines jet - have been debunked by numerous eyewitnesses, etc.)
I don’t think it is outside the realm of possibility that the United States or certain other countries’ intelligence services might have suspected that there was the potential for something big to happen in the fall of 2001. That they knew the exact target, the date, the method of an attack, willingly let it occur, or were somehow participants in the attack is somewhat farther fetched, to say the least.
About the Mossad, there is a possibility they had foreknowledge about the truck bombing of the US Embassy in Beirut in 1983. However, they would have had a far greater presence - with far better sources, intel, etc - in Lebanon at the time than they would have had in terrorist HQ in Afghanistan in 2001. Again, even if Mossad had suspected a 1983 attack, it might have been short on details. If they had somehow been involved in 9/11, they would have been clever enough to have made themselves scarce and get out of there (or never be that close to it in the first place!) instead of sticking around to dress up as Arabs. Silly.
We can only dream….
#42. If you would apply the same disbelief to the official version of events, we could probably have a decent discussion. As it stands, I see no evidence that proves conclusively that Islamic extremists accomplished these attacks. There is also an onus on you to provide proof if you wish to uphold the Islamic conspiracy theory.
you mention the Pentagon but fail to note that there were also numerous eyewitnesses who did not a 757 but did see a smaller white plane. we can resolve this confusion quite easily if you could provide a single image or video of a 757 hitting the most highly secured and CCTV’d building in the world.
#41. Thanks for taking my advice. I’m not interested in sparring.
Sonagi, gbevers, sperwer, etc.
Of course you are free to believe whatever you like and everyone is entitled to their opinion. Having said that, people should inform their opinions with facts.
Over the last 25 years I’ve spent countless hours studying parapolitics, propaganda and covert operations. There are heaps of mis- and disinformation, so I try to rely on primary sources like declassified documents, government publications and info that surfaces in the mainstream media.
I don’t see why not accepting the conventional wisdom about how good governments are and how benign the oligarchy is (and backing that position up with documented facts) qualifies someone for a tin foil hat.
If you’re not bothered to wade through the written documentation on 9-11, then why don’t you watch this video, and refute it if you can.
http://video.google.com/videop.....;plindex=0
Or you can choose to have opinions on subjects which you are ill-informed.
WJK wrote:
Enjoy your retirement and delusions of self-importance.
Firefox Question:
Is there a reason why this blog loads up more slowly on firefox than ie6? Or, does it just seem that way? I recently switched browsers on my work computer to FF and when I go to this page, everything appears but very dark before after a long pause switching to the white background. (finally the comment box no longer overlaps the ads!! I have seen the light!)
dark blue, to be exact. Get it when I post a comment, also.
#45 elvislovechild
well said.
#45, There is a difference between 1) being a healthy skeptic (not having blind faith in leadership, the media, etc.) and appreciating that the official explanation is not always the full story, and 2) assuming that conspiracies are the norm and that the burden of proof should fall on non-believers to refute them.
I’m more inclined to buy into after-the-fact cover-ups designed to minimize official ineptitude or crisis mismanagement, but that’s just my take on things.
mjw and pawi
Try to use logic—and not your hate—as a guide for your thoughts. I think you might be surprised with what you come up with.
#51…. do you mean me or WJK. in this thread, at least, i believe i’m innocent of expressing hatred.
Elvishaslefttheknownuniverse:
It’s a fact that planetary bodies are in motion. Some people look at this phenomenon and understand that the earth and planets revolve around the sun. Other benighted souls believe this fact means that everything revolves around wherever they happen to be located. Which are you, cinemadouche and wjk?
Sperwer,
Planets revolving around the sun is a fact. You can choose to believe that’s neat, scary, whatever. It doesn’t change the essential fact. If you deny that planets revolve around the sun, you are either stupid or ignorant. If you think that the movement of celestial bodies has a direct impact on your love life, you have entered a belief system which is not predicated on objective evidence (although you may feel it is subjectively “true”).
You may feel that invading Iraq is good (despite all the rationales for the invasion having been demonstrated to be false), and I may feel that it’s bad, but neither of us can deny that Iraq was invaded.
There’s a little logic lesson for you. To illustrated further, the evidence (your statements) seem to show you are ignorant, but my subjective feeling is that you’re a chicken-necked moron.
Kimchipig, if your parents owned a “taxi driver”, why did you have to do all the driving?
27, Wjk,
How does not being powerful enough to beat up on neighbouring countries exempt you from racism?
I hate assholes, but I’m still civilised enough not to beat them up without serious provocation.
SO Elvishaslefttheknown universe, it’s finally not about the facts after all, is it? It’s about the interpretation and evaluation thereof. As for logical argument, you’ve just demonstrated your incapacity therefor by your puerile ad hominem. Have a nice flight, wherever you’re going.
??? How do you know with definitive certainty that planets revolve around the Sun? Are you claiming to have supra meta sensitivity? How can you state that it is a fact? Excuse me, but please justify your statement.
#50) “assuming that conspiracies are the norm and that the burden of proof should fall on non-believers to refute them.”
Proof falls equally on all who profess to having an opinion. If the old Monty Python adage — “I think people should have the right to make up their own minds for me.” — is how you feel, we can go no further.
Last time I checked, most Americans believed in the concept of ‘innocent until proven guilty’ — Guantanamo Bay aside. If you think Islamic hijackers pulled off the worst crime on American soil since the Indian massacres, surely you’d want to be familiar with the evidence..?
Surely the voices of thousands of professors, engineers, architects, pilots, military officers, journalists, ex-intelligence agents, eye witnesses, and victim’s family members rejecting the official theory is enough to raise your concern? Blame needs some grounding in fact. Where’s the beef? Can you prove a 757 is what hit the Pentagon and is what crashed in Shanksville? Can you account for the collapse of WTC?
wjk曰
There may be a god, after all…
How does one prove that Islam exists?
How does one prove that America exists?
How do you justify a belief that airplanes do in fact fly?
How do you justify that there is place in the world called the Washington DC?
Can you prove that religion exists?
Can one prove that an idea is real?
I wish someone could prove such things.
I did briefly hope that the person arrogant enough to state that “planets revolving around the Sun is a fact” could do so and would do so.
cinemagauche must be so smart to know so many things. I mean, really, I have trouble proofing or justifying that 2+2=4, but cinemaguche can justify so many statements by sheer force of will.
In science, there are no facts, only theories not proven false. Has anyone actually seen the planets going around the Sun? There is only indirect evidence, namely photographs of the skies and calculations of light distances. That the planets revolve around the Sun is a theory based on the evidence at hand. And remember that it used to be a “fact” that our solar system contained nine planets.
Hack to speed up Firefox. It works exceptionally well on sites that have a lot of text, like this one. You just need to do it once (although you might have to do it again when you update Firefox). Takes a couple of minutes. Don’t need any programming knowledge.
http://netforbeginners.about.c.....oxhack.htm
mjw.
Sincere apologies….
63, many thanks for the link, i’ll give that a whirl.
64, no prob! and thanks for double checking..
#61 “How does one prove that America exists?”
#62 “In science, there are no facts, only theories not proven false.”
So your reality is constructed solely on theory and belief? I invite you both to test your hypothesis from the 18th floor window of my apartment.
Speaking of belief, as Good Morning America learned last week, many Pakistanis believe Osama is a CIA agent working for US. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UGXVic15ho
“Surely the voices of thousands of professors, engineers, architects, pilots, military officers, journalists, ex-intelligence agents, eye witnesses, and victim’s family members rejecting the official theory is enough to raise your concern?”
It concerns me a little, but of course there are far more people from the ranks of professionals, eye witnesses, and family members you mentioned who do not believe a conspiracy was responsible for 9/11. (Please let me know if I’m mistaken and anything more than a small minority of architects, engineers, or military officers in the United States are willing to say so!) By the way, like a lot of skeptics, I’ve never discounted the possibility of cover-ups after the fact to minimize the ineptitude/incompetence of people of people who were caught asleep at the wheel during and prior to 9/11. Wouldn’t surprise me at all.
I just don’t like theories that can’t - or would prefer not to - account for those two jets - and their passengers and crews - that supposedly didn’t crash. Can you see how that might trouble a guy?
“4th, I think I’ll stop mentioning the same themes in each open thread. Be warned. This may lead to me having nothing much to say. And someday, someday, some dude will ask
“where is wjk? I miss that guy.””
Whatever. As long as you don’t become suicidal…
#67
The minority of thousands I mention have actually considered the field of evidence and used their thought and expertise to come to their own conclusions. The majority of professionals who adhere to the official theory are sadly lacking in a basic awareness of the data - which is why debate is so poor on this subject and why blind believers usually resort to name-calling when challenged on the facts. As Brian Myers said in his clever lecture ‘Understanding North Korea’ it is usually the intellectual classes who are the most propagandized and indoctrinated.
While I’m glad you are at least a skeptic, ‘ineptitude’ most always results in reprimands and firings - none of which occured after 9/11.
As to the two airliners that disappeared I don’t have an explanation for you - wherever they went, they did not go where we were told they went - the physical data is not consistent with the story. You can’t bend reality to fit fantasy. So it would be the job of a real criminal investigation to find out where they went. Agreed?
I love how cinemagauche believes that the earth goes around the sun because the majority of scientists believe to be true. Yet, if the majority of engineers from Popular Mechanics believe something to be true, well, they must be wrong. I love the fact, the very real fact that cinemagauche even believes the Pentagon to be a real place, when in fact–it is a CIA fabricated studio set where the supposed Americanisti filmed the moon landing.
Re taxis… yes, at gangnam station around midnight it’s a pain in the ass to get a taxi. Once a cabbie tried to charge me 20,000 to go from gangnam station to itaewon… 20,000 to cross hannam daegyo? Here’s some advice. just keep walking. Walk south far enough and you can catch one easier. Here’s some better advise pioneered after a couple of bottles of soju:
Figure out the direction you are going, and then tell a taxi driver that you want to go to kyeonggi-do… to a city in the same direction. He’ll fling the door open and welcome you into his cab. Before you get to your real destination, fake an incoming phone call from one of your Korean friends who just happens to be inviting you to join him at your real destination, speak loud enough in Korean so that the cabbie can hear you, finish the fake call, and apologetically inform the driver that your destination has changed from what you originally told him. Not only do you keep the otherwise-asshole driver from extorting you and get where you want to go at the proper rate, your Korean friends will love the story too, because most’ve probably been victims of a-hole taxi drivers.
pawikilrogi must assume that every expat is the same person… and that same person is an aggregation of the worst traits of each individual expat. thatjustifies his prejudice and hatred and retarded blank statements aimed at all expats.
If you love America, vote for Huckabee.
Huckabee!
Plain speaking. No non-sense. Clear as a bell. You may not agree with him, but you still have give him a credit for being sincere. No double-talk.
Vote for a good American. Vote for Huckabee.
“You can’t bend reality to fit fantasy.”
That’s right. Show me the airplanes.
#73,
Oh, you mean the ‘3rd airplane that hit the WTC’? (Some people, scared and trying to hide from the dust and debris, mistook the sound of the first building collapsing as explosions, a 3rd airplane, whatever…Conspiracy theorists latched on to the most convenient explanation: explosions).
another shooting spree? again? so soon? shall we talk about the perpatrators’ ethnicity and what that had to do with their killings? shall we? no, we shall not. why? because they’re not korean. that’s why.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/.....NTR9EA.DTL
As part of the white community, I would like to apologize for all the hurt those crazy shooters caused…
I know pawi doesn’t “do” facts and logic, but he was already set straight earlier, after the Omaha shooter, about it being some clumsy Koreans (Amb Lee and the ROK media come to mind) who introduced ethnicity into the Virginia Tech case, where it clearly didn’t belong. The common observation, which I believe the Marmot made at the time, was that these shooters are nearly always fucked-up white guys. Do you really want Iheartblueballs to revisit the VT backlash issue (and rip you another new one)?
The idea behind using a straw man argument, pawi, is that you set up an argument that is easy for YOU to knock down, supposedly in order to bolster your point. Not that I’m looking for even more straw men from pawi.
“I know pawi doesn’t “do” facts and logic, but he was already set straight earlier, after the Omaha shooter, about it being some clumsy Koreans (Amb Lee and the ROK media come to mind) who introduced ethnicity into the Virginia Tech case, where it clearly didn’t belong. The common observation, which I believe the Marmot made at the time, was that these shooters are nearly always fucked-up white guys.”
That’s correct.
71. The bastards who ply their trade outside Ansan Station are just as bad. Got charged 7000 from there to the bus terminal (one subway stop away) once, no meter for the fare with a pregnant wife and a ton of shopping in tow. If there is a hell, these shits are bound for it.
#75,
Give it up. The reason Cho’s ethnicity got some attention at first is because serial killers, if that’s what you can call him, in the US are rarely Asian. That’s all.
…That and the reasons I’ve already mentioned in a previous comment.
‘That and the reasons I’ve already mentioned in a previous comment.’
BULLSHIT! you and your brothers produced a 100+ thread on cho’s ethnicity. it wasn’t the fm of korea. it was you.
how about you and your brotheres stop lying? i mean, does an expat EVER tell the truth? man!
oh, i just remembered; the thread about cho being korean was near some 200 posts.
Apparently you didn’t pay attention to the fact that most left comments that were critical of those who tried to make the Korean-American community fear a backlash (heck, Brendon Carr jokingly copyrighted the term ‘Backlash 2007′, if I remember correctly). Seemed clear enough to me that most people didn’t care about the fact that he was Korean.
Look it up, but I warn you, don’t try to latch on to one or two comments (some of which were probably made as a response to your own rants) to justify you’re previous comment while ignoring the many that disprove it. We’ve long wizened up to your propensity for gross generalizations.
PS. My brothers? I don’t really feel a fraternal bond with anyone but my real brother…and he doesn’t care much for writing in English and even less so about American news.
#83 - He means klan brothers, I’m sure… In Pawi’s world, all expats are just as racist and reactionary as he is.
To many corrections needed but: your previous comment…not ‘you’re previous comment’.
The reason I harp on Pawi’s poor reading comprehension is not to diss him, but because it is frustrating to have to deal with all his fuck-ups and distortions. I’m not exaggerating when I say nobody here gets plain facts so completely wrong as consistently as Pawi. As they say, he’s entitled to his own opinions, but not his own facts.
And the crude racism, Pawi. Racism may well be the core belief of your life, but it is offensive and it somehow cheapens the already very base thoughts you share with is.
“To many corrections needed but: your previous comment…not ‘you’re previous comment’.”
Also, “too,” unless you were addressing the corrections.
I disagree with Pawi often, but I think it’s fair to point out here than NOBODY ever addresses his arguments, which are often valid. You just insult him. I mean, he’s right about the 200+ comment thread. What about it?
“And remember that it used to be a “fact” that our solar system contained nine planets.”
IT STILL IS!!! Mary’s Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine… NINE WHAT?!?!
#87,
Yeah, I saw that. I let lots of typos slip in when I’m in a hurry or when I’m tired.
“I disagree with Pawi often, but I think it’s fair to point out here than NOBODY ever addresses his arguments, which are often valid. You just insult him.”
Reread his comment, especially the part that he apparently wrote before he even thought of mentioning the 200 comments in that thread.
“BULLSHIT! you and your brothers produced a 100+ thread on cho’s ethnicity. it wasn’t the fm of korea. it was you.
how about you and your brotheres stop lying? i mean, does an expat EVER tell the truth? man! ”
So, who is doing most of the insulting?
“IT STILL IS!!! Mary’s Very Eager Mother Just Served Us Nine… NINE WHAT?!?!”
8 planets and 3 dwarf planets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P.....lar_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet
NOBODY ever addresses his arguments, which are often valid. You just insult him. I mean, he’s right about the 200+ comment thread. What about it?
I must cry foul here. That there were 200+ comments on the VT thread was not the matter in dispute. It is the CONTENT and TONE of those 200 posts that has at least twice been grossly mischaracterized or misinterpreted, deliberately or otherwise, by Pawi, in the context of his trying to bring an ethnic agenda into the more recent US shooting(s). It would take more time and interest than I have right now to analyze and count how many of those 200+ comments were triggered by the shooting and how many were inspired by the various forms of KOREAN nonsense that followed it. SomeguyinKorea recalls this quite well.
The largest mass shooting in US history by a guy who happened to hold a South Korean passport — no matter how thin his links to Korea — has at least a superficial Korean angle that justified the Marmot’s mentioning it, and the Marmot handled it with a delicacy and accuracy that I (CORRECTLY) feared the Korean media would be unable to manage.
I’ll leave it to the Wikipedia wizards among us to identify which logical fallacy Pawi commits when he asks why a blog that describes itself as “Korea 24/7″ can be considered remiss or hypocritical by not covering EVERYTHING that happens on the planet.
As for the racism, Pawi’s customary recourse to “you people” or “your brothers” or “the expat” are exhibits a, b and c. And then there are the race traitor accusations against the guest blogger minso. He has also variously called ALL non-Korean commenters pedophiles and liars and gutter scum. Remember, he used to go by Nulji and before that, Shin Jong Il.
Other than as a posterboy for nitwit netizenism and banal nativism, I struggle to identify any redeeming qualities in this individual.
Oh, and Colontos,
Read Pawi’s first comment in this thread (#24).
Now, read #80,81 (a reference to #31),and 82. So, who is actually trying to make a point and who is being offensive?
the fair minded should know that slim believes anybody who doesn’t agree with him doesn’t know what their talking about. add to that the fact the guy hasn’t once condemned another expat for racist spew and you get a guy who can be dismissed. i need to see balance.
let me also point out that slim always tells me he doesn’t care about what i write and then writes about what i write. thorazine, anyone?
lastly, colontos is right. hardly anyone here addresses my points. just attacks. that’s ok since i’m really speaking to the fair minded.
ps the 200+ thread was about cho’s race and what it had to do with his crime. expats shouldn’t be upset; even koreans got in on the act. just look at wangkon telling us how cho’s asian heritage influenced his choice of weapons. yeah, right.
Pawi, like Colontos, I think you’re right about some things. But it’s your own hatred, stereotyping and insults that make people not pay attention to your arguments. Learn to tone it down. You are what you hate. Go watch the Zen video.
False, false and false. Who is his right mind would let “what he believes” be characterized by a notorious serial misquoter and someone who has not demonstrated he can be trusted to tell even the time of day without distortion or embellishment.
Well said, #94: Pawi is exactly what he hates and, sadly, racism is one thing he DOES know what he is talking about.
#89
He’s not really insulting there. He implies that expats are liars, yes, but don’t similar things get implied about everyone (expats, Koreans, etc) here? Nothing special there.
#91
Pawi’s point is that, when two shootings happened in America, one was discussed on here for hundreds of posts, while the other has not been mentioned at all. The only difference between them, besides numbers of dead (which I don’t think matter here) is the shooter’s citizenship status and ethnicity. Not saying his implications based on these facts are correct, but how about you actually address them instead of just insulting him as ignorant, racist, etc.?
Not saying his implications based on these facts are correct, but how about you actually address them instead of just insulting him as ignorant, racist, etc.?
They are not correct, and I did address them. I don’t think the VT shooting merited 200 comments, but the Marmot was not wrong to post it since there WAS a superficial Korean angle initially — it was NOT ethnicity — and then bungling by the ROK ambassador and media that expanded the Korean space in the story. When potentially emotive incidents happen, I all but pray that they DON’T INVOLVE KOREA/NS because, let’s face it, the Korean media and politicians and netizens nearly always overeact to make things worse.
What could the Marmot have said from Seoul about the Omaha and Colorado killings that added any info for us or relevance to Korea? Why post here on Hines Ward and not other stellar NFL players? On select cast members of Lost and not others? Rain is not the first or the last over-hyped foreign singer to fail miserably in the United States….
Perhaps the Marmot could start every post with a Pawi-proof disclaimer, like “This situation is not unique to Korea, but…” But how many adult readers really NEED that?
I’m not saying the Marmot should have posted about it, and neither is Pawi. Who is it that is misinterpreting and distorting comments here?
The Marmot should not post on Omaha. But in an open thread, everything is game. Non-Korean issues are often discussed in open threads. Pawi was just commenting on the deafening silence about the Omaha shooting.
@82 “does an expat EVER tell the truth?”
Pawi, I’m an expat, and I OFTEN tell the truth.
Yes, non-Korean issues often appear on open threads. However, not every major news event get comments. For weeks, the disappearance of the fourth wife of a retired Chicagoland police officer has been in the news, but I don’t recall it generating any buzz. Deafening silence because the cop is white, I suppose? And the defeat of Hugo Chavez’ referendum expanding his powers went unnoticed at the Hole. And how ’bout those killer midwest ice storms? And no chatter about Bush’s bill to limit foreclosures?
The silence is deafening, I tell ya. DEAFENING!
Colontos,
Read #80…again. That will answer all your questions.
#99,
Just occurred to me. Pawi is essentially an expat in the US, right? Ironic, isn’t it?
You’re getting ridiculous and self-refuting here, Colontos,
…and neither is Pawi. Who is it that is misinterpreting and distorting comments here?
The Marmot should not post on Omaha. But in an open thread, everything is game. Non-Korean issues are often discussed in open threads. Pawi was just commenting on the deafening silence about the Omaha shooting.
#100
Sonagi - I’ve always thought that if the Marmot is going to start handing out medals for sententiousness, you oughta be first in line.
At least you’re addressing the argument now.
#101
It still doesn’t answer the question of why Pawi’s points are constantly ignored.
“Not saying his implications based on these facts are correct, but how about you actually address them instead of just insulting him as ignorant, racist, etc.?”
I suspect the racism and ignorance that have been obvious in hundreds of other posts by pawi may have something to do with this.
#102
Slim, seriously, are you retarded?
You don’t see the difference between 1. the Marmot making a specific post on a subject and 2. someone (anyone) bringing up an issue in an open thread?
I think you had better stop insulting anyone for the time being…
#103
Pawi is routinely ignored because he acts like a characature of the stereotypical race warrior/wanker, causing most of us here to dismiss him as just another blog troll. Heck, Pawi’s so thoroughly alienated the commentators on here through his antics that if he was to make the comment that “Hitler was bad”, he’d probably get at least one response telling him to go sit on a cock (of course, to be fair, he’d probably follow the ‘Hitler was bad’ comment with something commenting on the reason Hitler was bad being that he was an Austrian expat).
Sententiousness? How come they never taught me that word in school? Great word. I copy my dictionary version (Oxford Advanced Learner’s, it sucks) as a mnemonic.
sententious - expressing moral judgements in an attempt to sound impressive or wise: a sententious speaker/remark.
Thanks.