Comments on: Changing Perceptions About the Turtle Ship http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/ Korea... in Blog Format Sun, 7 Sep 2008 05:43:02 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121608 SomeguyinKorea Wed, 05 Dec 2007 15:09:05 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121608 #27, LOL. #27,

LOL.

]]> By: seouldout http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121573 seouldout Wed, 05 Dec 2007 08:43:03 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121573 So, does VANK now issue an apology for pestering everyone about this or does it instead demand the re-correction of foreign textbooks that now state Korea developed the first iron-cladd vessel? So, does VANK now issue an apology for pestering everyone about this or does it instead demand the re-correction of foreign textbooks that now state Korea developed the first iron-cladd vessel?

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121363 SomeguyinKorea Tue, 04 Dec 2007 07:01:36 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121363 #19, Actually, some of the polices that aimed at assimilating Koreans, particularly the linguistic policies, were created in order to prepare (and make the military draft more attractive to) young Korean men ahead of the planned invasion of China. #19,

Actually, some of the polices that aimed at assimilating Koreans, particularly the linguistic policies, were created in order to prepare (and make the military draft more attractive to) young Korean men ahead of the planned invasion of China.

]]> By: bumfromkorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121358 bumfromkorea Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:46:48 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121358 @ Wedge The efficiency argument doesn't really work on the Turtle Ship because... well, they really didn't make that many of them. The main battle ship of Admiral Yi was Pan-Ok warship, which looks like the Turtle Ship without the iron covering and the head (not so sure about the head...). It's like in the far future, they doubt the existence or specification of super-battleships like Yamato because it's technically inefficient from the resources pov. @ Wedge

The efficiency argument doesn’t really work on the Turtle Ship because… well, they really didn’t make that many of them. The main battle ship of Admiral Yi was Pan-Ok warship, which looks like the Turtle Ship without the iron covering and the head (not so sure about the head…). It’s like in the far future, they doubt the existence or specification of super-battleships like Yamato because it’s technically inefficient from the resources pov.

]]> By: user-81 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121357 user-81 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:43:39 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121357 "Not any dumber an idea than the Trojan horse." That is so 8th century BC. “Not any dumber an idea than the Trojan horse.”

That is so 8th century BC.

]]> By: WangKon936 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121346 WangKon936 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:11:14 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121346 # 20, Well obviously, I don't know the Korean word for dove... # 20,

Well obviously, I don’t know the Korean word for dove…

]]> By: WangKon936 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121344 WangKon936 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 06:09:58 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121344 Regarding # 17. "1957" an obvious typo. I meant 1597. Regarding # 17. “1957″ an obvious typo. I meant 1597.

]]> By: tomojiro http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121343 tomojiro Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:56:30 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121343 Sorry, now I have realized that I have derailed the topic. My appologies. Sorry, now I have realized that I have derailed the topic.

My appologies.

]]> By: mins0306 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121342 mins0306 Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:49:45 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121342 WangKon, the title of the Chosun Ilbo article is "거북선 ‘후속 모델’ 해골선" which translated into English means "The Dove Ship, successor to the Turtle Ship." And yes you're right the ship is a variation of the Imjin War Turtle Ship. WangKon, the title of the Chosun Ilbo article is “거북선 ‘후속 모델’ 해골선” which translated into English means “The Dove Ship, successor to the Turtle Ship.” And yes you’re right the ship is a variation of the Imjin War Turtle Ship.

]]> By: tomojiro http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121340 tomojiro Tue, 04 Dec 2007 05:43:29 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/04/changing-perceptions-about-the-turtle-ship/#comment-121340 “Although it certainly offers a strong rebuttal to wjk’s argument, it makes me wonder if this is the case of Japan claiming Korean national heroes as its own to better assimilate Koreans.” Someguy Basically I agree with you. But you have to consider that the book of Sato was published before the annex ion. Further, the logics of assimilation were different from what it is claimed in most English literature (like that of Jared Diamond), or what most Korean believes until today. It was not based on the conception that Japan has an older, purer, history and we have to assimilate the Korean and destroy their history to “cover up” our version of history. No, it was rather “Korea is our homeland (and so is Manchuria and Mongol ,Man-mo 満蒙, a term which the Japanese invented) so it is rather natural that we annex them, and as Japan is basically an immigrant society like America, it is better that newly annexed become melted to the better Nation . Like USA, we are a “melting pot””. You will be surprised that during the 1910th and 20ies that there were many politicians, scholars who actually compared Japan to USA as a multi ethnical society. The more the empire expanded the more comparison with USA. Thus the March first movement in Korea was a huge shock for the Japanese at that time. Until that they thought they did better as a multi ethnical society compared to USA, with their notorious discrimination against African, Asian immigrants. “Although it certainly offers a strong rebuttal to wjk’s argument, it makes me wonder if this is the case of Japan claiming Korean national heroes as its own to better assimilate Koreans.”

Someguy

Basically I agree with you. But you have to consider that the book of Sato was published before the annex ion.

Further, the logics of assimilation were different from what it is claimed in most English literature (like that of Jared Diamond), or what most Korean believes until today.

It was not based on the conception that Japan has an older, purer, history and we have to assimilate the Korean and destroy their history to “cover up” our version of history.

No, it was rather “Korea is our homeland (and so is Manchuria and Mongol ,Man-mo 満蒙, a term which the Japanese invented) so it is rather natural that we annex them, and as Japan is basically an immigrant society like America, it is better that newly annexed become melted to the better Nation . Like USA, we are a “melting pot””.

You will be surprised that during the 1910th and 20ies that there were many politicians, scholars who actually compared Japan to USA as a multi ethnical society. The more the empire expanded the more comparison with USA.

Thus the March first movement in Korea was a huge shock for the Japanese at that time. Until that they thought they did better as a multi ethnical society compared to USA, with their notorious discrimination against African, Asian immigrants.

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