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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/01/use-the-pr-luke/#comment-121086</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 02:24:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I have my suspicions that the whole Dokdo thing was trumped up by the Korean government in order to fabricated support for the public funding of oil excavation in surrounding area.  Given that the Korean public is now sold on the idea of winning a symbolic victory over Japan, I'm sure the government won't have any trouble pushing that plan through and ensuring that the lion's share of the profits go to its favored chaebol(s).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe I&#8217;m being overly cynical, but I have my suspicions that the whole Dokdo thing was trumped up by the Korean government in order to fabricated support for the public funding of oil excavation in surrounding area.  Given that the Korean public is now sold on the idea of winning a symbolic victory over Japan, I&#8217;m sure the government won&#8217;t have any trouble pushing that plan through and ensuring that the lion&#8217;s share of the profits go to its favored chaebol(s).</p>
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		<title>By: VG866</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/01/use-the-pr-luke/#comment-121004</link>
		<dc:creator>VG866</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bevers said

"You can spew all the Korean Dokdo BS bait you want because I am going to take your advice and not waste my time on you."
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Looks like Mr. bevers is unable to find any supporting evidence on takeshima (lower cased due to the insignificance of that name). How typical of a japanophile. 

You have no case for Dokdo Mr. bevers. The Meiji government of Japan acknowledged Korean ownership of the islands in 1877 and so did the Shogunate that existed prior to the Meiji. Japanese claims on the island are barely a century old compared to the Korean claim which is many centuries old. You can argue all you want but even government records from both the Shogunate and the Meiji disagrees with you.

Currently Korea controls and occupies Dokdo like it did since ancient times so you can whine all you want about delusional non existant Japanese claims. It won't make a difference because it's Korean then as it is Korean now.

Your accusations on comfort women are just as ignorant and twisted. The testimonials of a couple of "uneducated" and "manipulated" (key words uneducated and manipulated) are meaningless. The Japanese government for example were able to convince the Okinawans (who were also uneducated and manipulated) to kill themselves by claiming that the Americans would rape them and then barbecue their children alive. What transpired was the Okinawan mass suicides in which scores of women and children jumped off cliffs to avoid capture by the Americans. The Japanese to this day deny both the Comfort Women Issue as well as the Okinawan mass suicides despite both atrocities being common knowledge. You can only wonder why foreign media from America to Europe to Asia are always critical of Japanese historians and their lies.

The Japanese government made lie after lie to not only justify their rule but also their brutality. When they couldn't justify it they would deny it. This is the Japan you so blindly defend mr bevers. If you were born as a Japanese person, I'm willing to bet you would be one of those black van driving Tojo supporters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bevers said</p>
<p>&#8220;You can spew all the Korean Dokdo BS bait you want because I am going to take your advice and not waste my time on you.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;<br />
Looks like Mr. bevers is unable to find any supporting evidence on takeshima (lower cased due to the insignificance of that name). How typical of a japanophile. </p>
<p>You have no case for Dokdo Mr. bevers. The Meiji government of Japan acknowledged Korean ownership of the islands in 1877 and so did the Shogunate that existed prior to the Meiji. Japanese claims on the island are barely a century old compared to the Korean claim which is many centuries old. You can argue all you want but even government records from both the Shogunate and the Meiji disagrees with you.</p>
<p>Currently Korea controls and occupies Dokdo like it did since ancient times so you can whine all you want about delusional non existant Japanese claims. It won&#8217;t make a difference because it&#8217;s Korean then as it is Korean now.</p>
<p>Your accusations on comfort women are just as ignorant and twisted. The testimonials of a couple of &#8220;uneducated&#8221; and &#8220;manipulated&#8221; (key words uneducated and manipulated) are meaningless. The Japanese government for example were able to convince the Okinawans (who were also uneducated and manipulated) to kill themselves by claiming that the Americans would rape them and then barbecue their children alive. What transpired was the Okinawan mass suicides in which scores of women and children jumped off cliffs to avoid capture by the Americans. The Japanese to this day deny both the Comfort Women Issue as well as the Okinawan mass suicides despite both atrocities being common knowledge. You can only wonder why foreign media from America to Europe to Asia are always critical of Japanese historians and their lies.</p>
<p>The Japanese government made lie after lie to not only justify their rule but also their brutality. When they couldn&#8217;t justify it they would deny it. This is the Japan you so blindly defend mr bevers. If you were born as a Japanese person, I&#8217;m willing to bet you would be one of those black van driving Tojo supporters.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/01/use-the-pr-luke/#comment-120991</link>
		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 23:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I have read some of the testimonies of Korea’s comfort women, and I remember one from a couple of years back who said that she and the other women she worked with used to to get excited and cheer when they got news of Japanese victories in the war."

Maybe they also thought Japan winning the war would result in them being able to go home.  Maybe bad news from the battlefield would result in Japanese soldiers being a foul mood when they visited for their comfort fix.  Maybe being a colonial wartime sex worker, in the midst of a miliary/propaganda environment, has a way of brainwashing an "employee" after a while.

Just because there were Koreans involved in the wartime sex industry and have since had a dodgy prostitution system of their own, does not mean that the Japanese have no responsibility for comfort women - and a host of other attrocities - committed on their watch.  (Polish, Croatian or Ukrainian collaborators do not diminish the evil committed by their Nazi masters in WWII, do they?)

As for Dokdo, I care about those birdshit covered rocks about as much as the average Japanese (i.e. not too much!)  However, the Koreans do seem to care and presently have the islets, so why not let them keep them?  Koreans should avoid the temptation of biting - they own Dokdo now, so screw what anybody else says/thinks - but nothing baits a resident of the peninsula like disputing their sovereignty over Dokdo.  (You are aware of this, of course.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I have read some of the testimonies of Korea’s comfort women, and I remember one from a couple of years back who said that she and the other women she worked with used to to get excited and cheer when they got news of Japanese victories in the war.&#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe they also thought Japan winning the war would result in them being able to go home.  Maybe bad news from the battlefield would result in Japanese soldiers being a foul mood when they visited for their comfort fix.  Maybe being a colonial wartime sex worker, in the midst of a miliary/propaganda environment, has a way of brainwashing an &#8220;employee&#8221; after a while.</p>
<p>Just because there were Koreans involved in the wartime sex industry and have since had a dodgy prostitution system of their own, does not mean that the Japanese have no responsibility for comfort women - and a host of other attrocities - committed on their watch.  (Polish, Croatian or Ukrainian collaborators do not diminish the evil committed by their Nazi masters in WWII, do they?)</p>
<p>As for Dokdo, I care about those birdshit covered rocks about as much as the average Japanese (i.e. not too much!)  However, the Koreans do seem to care and presently have the islets, so why not let them keep them?  Koreans should avoid the temptation of biting - they own Dokdo now, so screw what anybody else says/thinks - but nothing baits a resident of the peninsula like disputing their sovereignty over Dokdo.  (You are aware of this, of course.)</p>
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		<title>By: dokdoforever</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 20:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Japan has a lot of gall to even contest Dokdo.  One, they don't have a case as the 1877 Japanese State Council evidence shows.  But, for arguments sake, let's imagine they did.  Little dokdo does not come anywhere close to compensate for Japanese colonial subjugation.  Considering the accepted practice following wars, of losers ceding territory to winners, Japan should consider themselves very fortunate.  Maybe they should have been forced to cede Kyushu to Korea or China.  If they think colonialism is no big deal, they maybe they should let Korea run Japan for the next 35 years.  That would be something worth watching!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japan has a lot of gall to even contest Dokdo.  One, they don&#8217;t have a case as the 1877 Japanese State Council evidence shows.  But, for arguments sake, let&#8217;s imagine they did.  Little dokdo does not come anywhere close to compensate for Japanese colonial subjugation.  Considering the accepted practice following wars, of losers ceding territory to winners, Japan should consider themselves very fortunate.  Maybe they should have been forced to cede Kyushu to Korea or China.  If they think colonialism is no big deal, they maybe they should let Korea run Japan for the next 35 years.  That would be something worth watching!</p>
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		<title>By: Starcraft Gosu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/12/01/use-the-pr-luke/#comment-120962</link>
		<dc:creator>Starcraft Gosu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr. Bevers, you are one sick man. I couldn't care less for the island dispute between Japan and Korea. But your sophistry to justify war atrocities made me realize just how our species is characterized by forgetfulness and is doomed to repeat its past mistakes. When that time comes, I hope your children will be on the receiving end.

#26. I've never said that; I've said they were mostly prostitutes. Comfort women were composed mostly of prostitutes of various nationalities at first. Japan stopped issuing visas for their prostitutes because apparently they tarnished the empire's image. With that and the sources of prostitutes from other countries drying up, they turned to girls from their own colonies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Bevers, you are one sick man. I couldn&#8217;t care less for the island dispute between Japan and Korea. But your sophistry to justify war atrocities made me realize just how our species is characterized by forgetfulness and is doomed to repeat its past mistakes. When that time comes, I hope your children will be on the receiving end.</p>
<p>#26. I&#8217;ve never said that; I&#8217;ve said they were mostly prostitutes. Comfort women were composed mostly of prostitutes of various nationalities at first. Japan stopped issuing visas for their prostitutes because apparently they tarnished the empire&#8217;s image. With that and the sources of prostitutes from other countries drying up, they turned to girls from their own colonies.</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: the comparison of Korean and Japanese "comfort women":
Where is the evidence that most of the Japanese "comfort women" had voluntarily chosen to be employed as sex providers at the front lines?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: the comparison of Korean and Japanese &#8220;comfort women&#8221;:<br />
Where is the evidence that most of the Japanese &#8220;comfort women&#8221; had voluntarily chosen to be employed as sex providers at the front lines?</p>
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		<title>By: cm</title>
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		<dc:creator>cm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 18:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everybody, just ignore Mr.Bevers the Japanophile.  If Japan claims the sky is theirs so Korea should stop breathing, Mr.Bevers will attempt to prove it for Japan. It's just that Japan is a good conductor material for  his anti Koreanism.  It's no use arguing with this man. In fact it's useless arguing with someone over history because no one is going change their minds. I just wonder how Mr. Bevers is still managed to be employed in Korea when he whined to the media few months back that he was being run out of the country because of his views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everybody, just ignore Mr.Bevers the Japanophile.  If Japan claims the sky is theirs so Korea should stop breathing, Mr.Bevers will attempt to prove it for Japan. It&#8217;s just that Japan is a good conductor material for  his anti Koreanism.  It&#8217;s no use arguing with this man. In fact it&#8217;s useless arguing with someone over history because no one is going change their minds. I just wonder how Mr. Bevers is still managed to be employed in Korea when he whined to the media few months back that he was being run out of the country because of his views.</p>
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		<title>By: gbevers</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 17:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Starcraft Gosu (Starcraft Master),

As I mentioned above, I have read some of the testimonies of Korea's comfort women, and I remember one from a couple of years back who said that she and the other women she worked with used to to get excited and cheer when they got news of Japanese victories in the war. She excuses her actions by saying that she was young at the time and believed that she was Japanese. She said that she admitted this because she had to be honest about her feelings at the time.

There were probably many women, just like the woman I just mentioned, who thought that their service as comfort women not only benefited their families, but also their country, which just happened to be Japan at the time. 

In the 1970s, Korean officials used to tell Korean prostitutes servicing US soldiers that they were also helping their country. In other words, they were told that screwing American soldiers was a patriotic act. 

Also in the 1970s, I remember that Korean pimps used to lure young women from the provinces with ads in magazines promising good-paying jobs as waitresses in American clubs. When the girls arrived, they would quickly put them in debt and then was soon forced to pay off that debt by selling their bodies. If they tried to run away, the Korean police would help bring them back because they were indentured to their pimps. So even in the 1970s and '80s, Korea had a sex slave system. That is probably one reason why the comfort women issue did not become an issue until the mid 1990s, after Korea had essentially started importing her "comfort women" from places like the Philippines.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Starcraft Gosu (Starcraft Master),</p>
<p>As I mentioned above, I have read some of the testimonies of Korea&#8217;s comfort women, and I remember one from a couple of years back who said that she and the other women she worked with used to to get excited and cheer when they got news of Japanese victories in the war. She excuses her actions by saying that she was young at the time and believed that she was Japanese. She said that she admitted this because she had to be honest about her feelings at the time.</p>
<p>There were probably many women, just like the woman I just mentioned, who thought that their service as comfort women not only benefited their families, but also their country, which just happened to be Japan at the time. </p>
<p>In the 1970s, Korean officials used to tell Korean prostitutes servicing US soldiers that they were also helping their country. In other words, they were told that screwing American soldiers was a patriotic act. </p>
<p>Also in the 1970s, I remember that Korean pimps used to lure young women from the provinces with ads in magazines promising good-paying jobs as waitresses in American clubs. When the girls arrived, they would quickly put them in debt and then was soon forced to pay off that debt by selling their bodies. If they tried to run away, the Korean police would help bring them back because they were indentured to their pimps. So even in the 1970s and &#8217;80s, Korea had a sex slave system. That is probably one reason why the comfort women issue did not become an issue until the mid 1990s, after Korea had essentially started importing her &#8220;comfort women&#8221; from places like the Philippines.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:46:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS.  To say I had 'misjudged you' is probably not the best choice of words.  Misundersood is probably better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS.  To say I had &#8216;misjudged you&#8217; is probably not the best choice of words.  Misundersood is probably better.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:04:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"cautious of what you allow in the comments section of my website."

Wow, that came out strange.  I first started with, "If I were you, I'd..." but then changed it because I didn't want to change the following sentence, which I felt was just right the way it was.

In any case Gbevers, there's no need to be testy.  I had apparently misjudged you because I was under the impression that occidentalism.org was yours. My apologies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;cautious of what you allow in the comments section of my website.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow, that came out strange.  I first started with, &#8220;If I were you, I&#8217;d&#8230;&#8221; but then changed it because I didn&#8217;t want to change the following sentence, which I felt was just right the way it was.</p>
<p>In any case Gbevers, there&#8217;s no need to be testy.  I had apparently misjudged you because I was under the impression that occidentalism.org was yours. My apologies.</p>
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