Comments on: Wouldn’t Want Any English Teachers Disturbing the Social Order, Now Would We? http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/ Korea... in Blog Format Sun, 7 Sep 2008 04:48:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: EFL Geek: ESL &amp; EFL in Korea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-121006 EFL Geek: ESL &amp; EFL in Korea Mon, 03 Dec 2007 00:42:17 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-121006 <strong>Visa Rules revisited...</strong> A couple of weeks ago I posted a translation of the new visa rules. Today the JoongAng Daily has the lowdown on the official regulations coming from immigration. I've posted the entire article in the extended section but have choice quotes right h... Visa Rules revisited…

A couple of weeks ago I posted a translation of the new visa rules. Today the JoongAng Daily has the lowdown on the official regulations coming from immigration. I've posted the entire article in the extended section but have choice quotes right h…

]]> By: south_jeolla_blues http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120783 south_jeolla_blues Sat, 01 Dec 2007 17:19:45 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120783 My favourite comment from the health statement reads, "Do you have now or have you had HIV"? I sort of thought that HIV was a permanent thing. My favourite comment from the health statement reads, “Do you have now or have you had HIV”? I sort of thought that HIV was a permanent thing.

]]> By: south_jeolla_blues http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120780 south_jeolla_blues Sat, 01 Dec 2007 16:55:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120780 I am a hakwon teacher. I must say that I do welcome the changes. Taiwan, which also has a large English-teaching industry, requires background searches, though I think that they require the FBI records search or its equivalent. I spoke with the Korean Embassy in Washington and the Korean Consulate in Los Angeles about the changes. Both stated that a letter of clearance from your local police station was OK, just as long as it was notarised and apostilled. I am getting the FBI search though, too, just in case. It seems strange to accept a local police force statement. People could have moved, you know? People could have offended in other states! I think that TB testing, HIV testing, and other contagious disease testing is a good idea and about damn time in my humble opinion. I think that there are good intentions behind the proposed changes. The thing that worries me, though, is the implementation! I wish that they had put more planning into it. The health statement form is very vague. It gives the appearance of being very hastily put together. I do have a genuine affection for Koreans and all things Korean. But the bbali, bbali implementation of immigration statutes worries me. I am a hakwon teacher. I must say that I do welcome the changes. Taiwan, which also has a large English-teaching industry, requires background searches, though I think that they require the FBI records search or its equivalent.

I spoke with the Korean Embassy in Washington and the Korean Consulate in Los Angeles about the changes. Both stated that a letter of clearance from your local police station was OK, just as long as it was notarised and apostilled. I am getting the FBI search though, too, just in case. It seems strange to accept a local police force statement. People could have moved, you know? People could have offended in other states!

I think that TB testing, HIV testing, and other contagious disease testing is a good idea and about damn time in my humble opinion.

I think that there are good intentions behind the proposed changes. The thing that worries me, though, is the implementation! I wish that they had put more planning into it. The health statement form is very vague. It gives the appearance of being very hastily put together.

I do have a genuine affection for Koreans and all things Korean. But the bbali, bbali implementation of immigration statutes worries me.

]]> By: globalvillageidiot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120211 globalvillageidiot Tue, 27 Nov 2007 04:08:15 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120211 "CSIS – ouch – been away too long." I hear ya iwshim. 11 years and counting... “CSIS – ouch – been away too long.”

I hear ya iwshim. 11 years and counting…

]]> By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120210 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) Tue, 27 Nov 2007 03:54:23 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120210 <blockquote>I’ve been going to immigration offices and tax offices for over 10 years, and have found that the “law” pertaining to whatever my issue is changes with whatever person I’m speaking to.</blockquote> That's one of the most frustrating things about being a legal advisor here. You get pantsed almost every single day. But I find the breeze refreshing.

I’ve been going to immigration offices and tax offices for over 10 years, and have found that the “law” pertaining to whatever my issue is changes with whatever person I’m speaking to.

That’s one of the most frustrating things about being a legal advisor here. You get pantsed almost every single day. But I find the breeze refreshing.

]]> By: gbnhj http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120206 gbnhj Tue, 27 Nov 2007 02:56:08 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120206 True, Linkd, true. Moreover, they are sometimes hesitant to make declarive statements about the law, for fear of being held accountable for giving incorrect information. Still, the description I provided above is the same one told to four other F-class visaholders I know, so I put stock in it. True, Linkd, true. Moreover, they are sometimes hesitant to make declarive statements about the law, for fear of being held accountable for giving incorrect information. Still, the description I provided above is the same one told to four other F-class visaholders I know, so I put stock in it.

]]> By: Linkd http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120193 Linkd Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:24:49 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120193 (...wry smile...) I've been going to immigration offices and tax offices for over 10 years, and have found that the "law" pertaining to whatever my issue is changes with whatever person I'm speaking to. (…wry smile…)
I’ve been going to immigration offices and tax offices for over 10 years, and have found that the “law” pertaining to whatever my issue is changes with whatever person I’m speaking to.

]]> By: iwshim http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120192 iwshim Tue, 27 Nov 2007 00:24:48 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120192 The length of time to process the document is 30 min. It is titled Canadian Police Certificate for visa/ foreign travel /foreign work permits That sounds like the correct form. I hope the Koreans are dumb enough to ask for something more but if they use the correct form it is only 30 min. You could do it at the airport. It is that easy. CSIS – ouch – been away too long. The length of time to process the document is 30 min.

It is titled Canadian Police Certificate for visa/ foreign travel /foreign work permits

That sounds like the correct form. I hope the Koreans are dumb enough to ask for something more but if they use the correct form it is only 30 min.

You could do it at the airport. It is that easy.

CSIS – ouch – been away too long.

]]> By: gbnhj http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120191 gbnhj Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:51:35 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120191 It's important to separate what people will do from what they are permitted to do under the law. Merely because individuals engage in a practice does not make that practice lawful. The flyers skindleshanks mentioned are not a priori proof of legality or illegality, but rather of commerce; the apartment management almost always collects a fee for notices posted, but does not check to accertain the legality of the service offered. Very often, those flyers advertise language services offered by university students, who have a legal exemption to teach in others' homes under the law. But anyone can make a flyer, and anyone can go to the building management and request to be able to put up flyers. Likewise, simply because a business will send someone to teach at another's home does not mean that this action is done in compliance of the law. I really recommend that anyone interested in discovering what rights and limitations extend to F-class visaholders talk to the folks at their local immigration and tax offices. Don't take my word for it - check it out yourself. It’s important to separate what people will do from what they are permitted to do under the law. Merely because individuals engage in a practice does not make that practice lawful. The flyers skindleshanks mentioned are not a priori proof of legality or illegality, but rather of commerce; the apartment management almost always collects a fee for notices posted, but does not check to accertain the legality of the service offered. Very often, those flyers advertise language services offered by university students, who have a legal exemption to teach in others’ homes under the law. But anyone can make a flyer, and anyone can go to the building management and request to be able to put up flyers.

Likewise, simply because a business will send someone to teach at another’s home does not mean that this action is done in compliance of the law. I really recommend that anyone interested in discovering what rights and limitations extend to F-class visaholders talk to the folks at their local immigration and tax offices. Don’t take my word for it - check it out yourself.

]]> By: dokdoforever http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120187 dokdoforever Mon, 26 Nov 2007 23:14:33 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/24/wouldnt-want-any-english-teachers-disturbing-the-social-order-now-would-we/#comment-120187 skindleshanks, I looked into this a little after reading #12, and he may correct, although it looks as if the law is regularly violated. Prior to 2001, all private teaching, by Korean and non-Korean, was considered illegal, until the constitutional court found the law unconstitutional. But there are always advertisements up in our apt for Korean instructors supposedly from the top 3 Korean universities to visit students in their homes for lessons. skindleshanks, I looked into this a little after reading #12, and he may correct, although it looks as if the law is regularly violated. Prior to 2001, all private teaching, by Korean and non-Korean, was considered illegal, until the constitutional court found the law unconstitutional. But there are always advertisements up in our apt for Korean instructors supposedly from the top 3 Korean universities to visit students in their homes for lessons.

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