In his most recent column in the JoongAng Ilbo, KorMedi.com president Lee Seong-ju writes that size really doesn’t matter:
When Professor L of “S” University Hospital’s Department of Psychiatry thinks of a female Korean student he treated at a general hospital in the United States, for some reason he begins to feel uncomfortable. As soon as the student came into the consultation room, she said:
“I was dating a Middle Eastern guy, and now I’m seeing a Korean student, but I’m depressed. When I made love with the Middle Easterner, I felt filled up, but…”
Was the problem the size of the penis? Or was the girl’s heart the problem?
But don’t fret. While God might not have made all human organs equal, he did make them considerably bigger than those of our primate cousins:
At 11~12cm, East Asian penises are smaller than those of Westerners (14~16cm) and blacks (16~18cm). But they are still far larger than those of other primates [emphasis mine]. A gorilla’s penis is 3.2cm, an orangutan’s is 4cm, and a chimpanzee’s is 7.6cm. They might be smaller than that of the blue whale (3m) or, of land animals, the giraffe (1.2m), but…
You don’t learn that on the Discovery Network. At least it’s comforting to know I won’t have to worry about the chimp at the city zoo stealing my girl.
PS: Could someone please explain to me the illustration?
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You’re a bad man, Robert.
And, if I’m to gather information from the right column of their web site–naked women also don’t have nipples or genetalia.
This is like throwing red meat to the wolves. I predict 1000 replies, and I blame Japan.
Yes. But the way I figure, anybody who encourages readers of a major daily paper to find confidence by comparing their units to that of a fucking chimp deserves a little good-natured ridiculing.
Robert: I get it, but I hesitate to explain. The picture appears to be of a colored, possibly Middle-Eastern, man wiping/drying his head in a public shower. That head of a caucasian (or asian) person as if on a table represents a person sitting in a tub of water. Apparently, the latter person is aghast at the size of the colored character’s member (which is not shown the cartoon).
As for this article, I’ll get back to you when I give a damn.
how tall are chimps again? Do they have big noses? And what is the average chimp shoe size? I must correlate all relevant data!
Well, that may finally explain retired pop-icon Olivia Newton-John’s famed affinity for dolphins.
abcdefg — Oh my, that is what it is.
gbnhj — Yes, but she was also dating a half-Korean guy before he disappeared.
Feelings of inadequacy are often referred to here in terms of a “sauna complex” - hence the cartoon.
Professor L of “S” University Hospital’s Department of Psychology himself needs a mental consultation.
Apparently he is too much obsessed with anything evolving “size”.
First of all, it doesn’t make much sense to measure sexual organs unless you also take into account overall body size. So Chimps really have pretty big ones when you consider how much smaller they are then gorillas.
Is it always good to have a big wanger? Could be good if it makes women happy, but evolutionarily it might not say the best things about your ancestors. Big penises are preferred by evolution when they matter for reproduction, and that’s usually the case when more than one male are having sex with one female. The bigger penis should get more “on target” and is thus rewarded with offspring. So, it might hint at promiscuity. In societies with less promiscuity, a big penis doesn’t matter for reproduction. Like the big gorilla, who is strong enough to monopolize breeding with a group of females. Doesn’t matter how big his thingy is. Think about the Chosun Dynasty, where all the men in the palace but the King had to lose their johnsons. So, strong social norms or centralized control of power = small penises. Total free for all and free sex = big johnsons.
You see, the dark figure is filling the tunnel. The other figure with the penile head and droopy dog ears is going, “What the–? Wow, he can really fill that tunnel.”
The dark figure is applauding Droopy because he can get through the tunnel and take a bath.
evolving “size”→ involving “size”
I have to go to NOVA schools…
dikdo -
Not all the men in the Korean court had to lose their johnsons — eunuchs did not need to lose the Johnson — only the twins. Eunuchs occasionally married and had families — albeit, the children were adopted.
It’s Dokdo.. not dikdo
In any case, the earlier your society developed civilization, the earlier you controlled breeding, the faster you eliminate any evolutionary bias in favor of big penises. Where are penises smallest? I’ve India and China mentioned. Also where human civilization first really got going.
There is no society in the entire history of the world that has lasted long enough to influence evolutionary processes. Even Korea’s 5000 years of history is not not even a drop in the bucket in an evolutionary sense, much less the Chosun dynasty.
Try some other explanation.
I thought it was “dildo” . . . My Korean needs improvement.
Robert, is it just me, or are the frequency of penis discussions increasing geometrically at the Marmot’s Hole? X-D
From #11.
This is true. It’s well known that the Viet Cong had tiny dicks.
Spelling aside, that is pretty amazing. Shit, the chimp is a virtual tripod.
Yes, I’m surprised that the gorillas have such small members. But then again they don’t really need big ones. If a gorilla wants to have sex, he’s having sex-anytime, anywhere.
On the other hand, I imagine that’s quite a different story for gorillas. They’d have to woo you with ideology and such first. With such limited procreation opportunities a large member would come in handy.
Funny how the orangutan/gorilla/guerilla penis thread has gotten 21 responses (so far!) while the BBK story has managed a grand total of ZERO! Not saying that I’m surprised, but it is sort of interesting…
Must be that folks are more interested in a thread about penis envy than they are in one about a cock-up.
dokdo, loose logic.
And speaking of looseness, what about girth? Girls like that too, sometimes better than a bruised cervix from someone’s promiscuously long dong. What does one’s girth say about one’s ancestors?
Why don’t we measure bumps on people’s heads and make racial associations about those too.
PS: Could someone please explain to me the illustration?
abcdefg: I disagree with your interpretation of the illustration.
The cave or sauna actually represents the female organ. The colored lumbering beast at the entry represents the middle-eastern man’s penis clumsily trying to penetrate the vagina. This explains the 짝 (jjak) written several times on the wall near the opening. It means ‘ripping, tearing’. The frightened head in the pool within the cave is the cervix which fears getting bruised by the beastly visitor. This is why the head is portrayed as bald.
I believe my interpretation is the correct one.
Beechtreem: you make a lot of sense. The entrance is tunnel-like, not like a sauna entrance.
“At 11~12cm, East Asian penises are smaller than those of Westerners (14~16cm) and blacks (16~18cm).”
Ha! Ha! Ha! These numbers are a riot! C’mon, 24cm is average for men of every race, right?
Huh? Oh, the numbers are correct. Uh-huh. O-kay. That’s weird — I was so cocksure about the average.
Just let me check again … yeah … yeah. Hmmm…
Jeffery Hodges
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Mateomiguel said, “There is no society in the entire history of the world that has lasted long enough to influence evolutionary processes.”
Oh really. Well studies have shown that a single man, Ghengis Khan, who ruled for what, about 40 years or so, was able to pass his genes on to something like 8-10% of East Asians, some incredible amount of people. Clearly in the past, in some civilizations, the ruling elite were able to dominate the gene pool.
Here is something I found online about the subject:
Fisher (1992) writes that female choice in human evolution is evidenced by the size of the male penis. Cronin (1983), and Small (1993) describe how penis size and testicle size are impacted by female choice in other species. There is a close correlation between testicle size and penis size and promiscuous social structure as seen in chimpanzees where males with larger testicles and penises produce and distribute larger quantities of sperm creating an advantage over the other males (Margulis & Sagan, 1991), If you are a male living in a hierarchically organized social system, a gorilla harem for example, then copious amount of sperm production or a long penis does not increase your chances of producing progeny. Your ability to prevent other males from sexual contact with females, by force or intimidation, positively influences your chances of reproductive success. Gorillas retain a diminutive penis and testicle size. Human males evidence sexual anatomical characteristics suggestive of a promiscuous social structure (Wilson & Daley, 1992). There are exceptions such as the asian highly stratified river/irrigation cultures who have had a highly hierarchical, patriarchal, monogamous social structures for thousands of years (Miller, 1994).
#29:
And all Koreans with the last name Yi are descended from Admiral Yi Sunshin - or so they all claim.
#22,
I guess I should have made mention of the relative penis size of Lee Myung-bak and Chung Dong-young.
When I first came to Korea, I was shocked to see so many homosexuals blatantly showing off their homosexuality on the streets of Seoul. I’m not homophobic or anything, but it was a little disturbing to see guys wearing ass tight jeans and carrying purses and men touching each other’s faces like you touch a female breast on commercials.
Maybe that can explain smaller Korean penis sizes, because, I dunno, but wouldn’t homosexuals prefer smaller penises because the holes they put them into are much smaller?
But then I realized that they really aren’t homosexuals, just like to act that way.
11#
I did my military service in a guerilla unit. Does that mean that… Someone, no, ANYONE, pass me a p3n1s pump RIGHT NOW!
LOL! Doesn’t matter how big it is, period. As long as I have it, can use it, and please with it, I’m it!
jameslayne, looks like that idea is wrong.
“One approach found that, on average, homosexual men possessed larger penises than heterosexual men and the researchers linked this to different sex hormones exposure while in the womb as a possible explanation.”
http://news.softpedia.com/news.....6245.shtml
This post made me laugh.
A Korean woman had sex with a Middle Eastern man!
Looking at the average lengths listed (11-18cm), I really wonder if the reporter quoted the lower side of the estimated average so that the readers would at least feel good about being above the norm. I mean, 11cm? Come on. There’s no way…
Too much soon-tu-bu;
http://www.wnd.com/news/articl.....E_ID=53327
Richardson, you’re citing an article that said THIS?:
There are legimitate health concerns about consuming large amounts of soy, especially soy protein isolate, found in nearly all high protein bars, vegetarian ‘meats,’ and in many canned and frozen products with meat, including pizza and chili. There is no scientific evidence linking soy consumption with sexual preference. Frankly, Richardson, I’m astonished you cited that baseless homophobic article.
i don’t usually participate in these chest thumping threads since this kind of talk is chicken soup for the expat’s fragile manhood. but the lunacy is just too much, so i will comment:
1. average dick size commensurate with average pussy’s ability to accomodate. that’s why black men have the biggest because their women are the biggest. there’s no need to be like doktoforever reading journal after journal about the size of our scrotal friend.
2. guys who feel the need to talk about how powerful their penises are, probably aren’t all that powerful. that’s why the expat so loves this topic.
3. lastly, if you white dudes are such sex machines, why are you disappearing?
Pawikirogi wrote:
“[G]uys who feel the need to talk about how powerful their penises are, probably aren’t all that powerful.”
I entirely agree, but I would never express this statement so directly because it might suggest a need to talk about how one’s own penis is so supremely powerful that one need not explicitly talk about how tremendously powerful it is.
Jeffery Hodges
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Not all gay men have anal sex. Some friends of mine find the practice disgusting.
just call ‘em like i see ‘em, jeff. i’m suspicious of any guy who feels the need to inform the un secretary general that his penis is oh-so powerful. that means it probably ain’t.
now, about your psycho babble, nice try. ;_)
btw, when a korean women marries a black american, that is a triumph for the people of korea. the same is true when said korean woman marries a white american.
i’ll bet most of you are clueless as to what i mean. but then, they’ll be those aren’t clueless.
who
Pawikirogi, you smiled anyway, which was what I was looking for.
Jeffery Hodges
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Plus, the joke’s on me, too…
Jeffery Hodges
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wayyyy too much testosterone here, gentlemen.
Sonagi:
Please describe the alleged “health concerns about consuming large amounts of soy, especially soy protein isolate” and explain why they are any more “legitimate” than the hysteria over at Testosterone Nation about the supposed testosterone-reducing and effeminacy-inducing effect of soy consumption. Inquiring minds want to know!
PS Sonagi, you may be interested to know that the “official” rock band of the Yonsei Graduate School of Int’l Studies is your namesake.
Pawi,
I can’t vouch for the other guys, but I’m making fun of the article for the very reasons you mentioned, which is that penis size doesn’t matter unless it’s freakishly small or large.
Robert, have you noticed there’s a new sex shop in the neighborhood near the overpass?
Sperwer,
Paleo diet advocates are generally suspicious of soy products. The most credible critic is Dr. Mary Enig, longtime professor of lipid biochemstry and advocate of a whole foods diet that includes animal fats and proteins. She was an opponent of refined vegetable oil trans-fats long before it was fashionable. Below is a link to an article at Weston Price.org with a long list of research studies at the bottom:
http://www.westonaprice.org/so.....e2001.html
Fermentation reduces or eliminates some of the anti-nutrient properties of soy, and minimally processed soy products like soy sauce, soybean paste, natto, and tempeh, provided they are made the old-fashioned way through authentic fermentation, not chemical high heat processing, can be part of a healthy diet. Even small amounts of tofu are fine if made from whole soybeans with minimal processing.
My diet philosophy is macrobiotic. I eat locally grown, minimally processed foods, and try to consume all edible parts. And speaking of fermentation, I finally managed to brew some bubbly sour starter without killing it and will try my hand at making some authentic sourdough bread this weekend. Wish me luck!
So uh, does that mean eating a lot of soy burgers will give guys man boobs? Or is that just tofu? Wasn’t there some research by some Japanese scientists that said something along the same lines? Oh, the mysterious of tofu…yes, eat quorn. Although there are rumors they use chicken fat to flavor it…
a lot of drastic + or - concerning phytoestrogens is marked with “further research necessary”.
will tofu make you gay? No one knows. Most probably not. North and Golding of UK, in 2000, showed an association with Sonagi-like moms having baby boys with hypospadia more frequently. Tofu was not the culprit. These were vege British mums.
Tofu. Doesn’t seem to help East Asians grow larger boobs.
If indeed it makes our dicks smaller and gives our women bigger boobs, then now you’re on to something. The evil plant.
Mr. Richardson, ignore Sonagi. You have a right to speak your own mind. If not your own mind, the dude who wrote has a right to write down his thoughts, too. Nobody showed anything concrete anyway.
What possible advantage does homosexuality provide in the context of natural selection or evolution? Sonagi, please answer. I accept natural selection.
Sonagi, are you talking about those gay men who claim “all oral”?
How many do you think go that route? I think I took notice of 1 who said that out of 100+.
society does not want to point out any negatives about the gay community, but only focus on the positives. Turn a blind eye to ecstasy, alcohol, and unprotected group orgies. Gee, whiz, how did I get aids? You know, it’s still a preventable disease.
Preventable. Behavior.
We are very quick to criticize people for eating and getting fat. Why not criticize people for sleeping around and having risky sex? Because they’ve been historically persecuted? What’s the difference?
the cdc does say anal receptive sex is the highest risk for getting hiv.
Gay pride parade day is also a day for many of these “no labels” to get laid. They say so themselves.
Will & Grace is part of the propaganda. A beautification. A hetero woman even wants to give birth to a gay man’s child. I think it’s pretty naive to believe that all these births go thru by insemination without the man. Ask any normal hetero woman on the street. Do you want to do what Grace in the show is doing? Maybe you’ll find some. People are weird.
why would anyone want to eat and live like a monkey? Has anyone proven these monkeys lived 80+ years of life like we do now?
you’ll be spending and wasting a huge chunk of your income on food prep if you ate like Sonagi. There are better things to do.
Never mind the fact that there will be a severe famine caused by food shortage with the food Nazis telling us not to eat grains and dairy. I think she wanted legislators to ban food subsidies.
Eat whatever you want, and run 2 miles a day. Very few do the latter part, of course.
Sonagi, the irony of all ironies is here.
The site you quote for pro-Paleo diet, also promoties soy-free diet for men.
http://www.westonaprice.org/so.....e2001.html
http://www.westonaprice.org/so.....ogens.html
reputable medical knowledge? More like picking what they like, neither accepted well.
2’s a long list, man !
A maternal vegetarian diet in pregnancy is associated with hypospadias. The ALSPAC Study Team. Avon Longitudinal Study of Pregnancy and Childhood.
North K, Golding J.
Unit of Paediatric and Perinatal Epidemiology, Division of Child Health, University of Bristol, UK.
OBJECTIVE: To investigate the possible role of the maternal diet, particularly vegetarianism and consumption of phytoestrogens, in the origin of hypospadias, which is reported to be increasing in prevalence. SUBJECTS AND METHODS: Detailed information was obtained prospectively from mothers, including previous obstetric history, lifestyle and dietary practices, using structured self-completed questionnaires during pregnancy. Previously recognized associations with environmental and parental factors were examined, focusing particularly on the hypothesized hormonal link. Multivariate logistic regression was used to identify independent associations. RESULTS: Of 7928 boys born to mothers taking part in the Avon Longitudinal Study of Pregnancy and Childhood, 51 hypospadias cases were identified. There were no significant differences in the proportion of hypospadias cases among mothers who smoked, consumed alcohol or for any aspect of their previous reproductive history (including the number of previous pregnancies, number of miscarriages, use of the contraceptive pill, time to conception and age at menarche). Significant differences were detected for some aspects of the maternal diet, i.e. vegetarianism and iron supplementation in the first half of pregnancy. Mothers who were vegetarian in pregnancy had an adjusted odds ratio (OR) of 4.99 (95% confidence interval, CI, 2.10-11.88) of giving birth to a boy with hypospadias, compared with omnivores who did not supplement their diet with iron. Omnivores who supplemented their diet with iron had an adjusted OR of 2.07 (95% CI, 1.00-4.32). The only other statistically significant association for hypospadias was with influenza in the first 3 months of pregnancy (adjusted OR 3.19, 95% CI 1.50-6.78). CONCLUSION: As vegetarians have a greater exposure to phytoestrogens than do omnivores, these results support the possibility that phytoestrogens have a deleterious effect on the developing male reproductive system.
http://e.hormone.tulane.edu/le.....ogens.html
whites and East Asians seem to handle alcohol, lactose differently. Why not soy?
“will tofu make you gay? No one knows.”
According to some homophobic American conservatives, it does.
http://www.wnd.com/news/articl.....E_ID=53327
I wonder if there is some industry politics behind the anti-soy movement. If the dairy or meat industries fear losing market share. On the other hand, the US dominates world soy production, and it’s a big business, which kind of surprises me that there are conservatives railing against it.
Either way, it’s still Japan’s fault.
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