The Ceeb takes a look at the angry Asian man, an “emerging cultural figure in North America.”
“All Asian guys are angry,” says Shigematsu, a stand-up comic and former CBC radio host who made Yellow Fellas over seven years, with only $5,000. “It’s just a question of whether they’re in touch with it or not.”
The image of the angry Asian man has gained infamy since a Korean-American student killed 33 people in a horrific shooting rampage at a Virginia college in April. But in the past few years, Asian men in North America have also become increasingly vocal and visible in non-violent ways as they voice their displeasure with certain inequalities in society. (The upsurge in anger can be seen in its most concentrated form in websites and message board postings.)
Oh my! Well, thank God I live in Korea, then, where the Asians are much less angry.
What’s one of the top grievances? Like you needed to ask…
Which brings up one of the top grievances that young Asian men have with their profile in the pop culture landscape: dating patterns. Namely, they are upset about the predominance of interracial dating between white males and Asian females — who are often fetishized as hyper-feminine and subservient — over dating between Asian men and white women.
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UPDATE: Something rubs me wrong about this piece. It’s the linking of Cho Seung-hui with the “angry Asian man.” I thought the “consensus” was that Cho’s actions had nothing to do with him being a) Asian and b) an immigrant. Rather, I was under the impression that the massacre was very much a “fucked-up suburban white boy” thing, except that the fucked-up suburban white boy, in this case, was not quite white. As far as I know, nothing Cho said or did indicated any sort of ethnic or racial grievance, and to link him with the “angry Asian man,” as the Ceeb’s Kevin Chong appears to have done, strikes me as a potentially dangerous thing to do.
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“Namely, they are upset about the predominance of interracial dating between white males and Asian females — who are often fetishized as hyper-feminine and subservient — over dating between Asian men and white women.”
Don’t know the exact figures… But in 2006 the overwhelming majority of inter-racial (Korean — non Korean) marriages in Korea were of Korean men to foreign women. (Obviously much of these rural marriages) anybody got stats?
Also… I seem to see a lot of Asian guys dating white girls in Sydney these days… Rather than confront the guy in a jealous rage… I think… poor bloke!
The message board you link has some 40 posts in all threads about this topic. Wow, that’s a lot anger!
In re Cho:
Do you think
a) that Cho’s family and the Korean community would have informed the Western media about any anti-white sentiments even if Cho had harbored and expressed them?
b) that the Western media would have reported on those sentiments even if it knew about them?
a) No
b) Yes
The Ceeb’s Kevin Chong sounds like an Angry Asian Man indeed. As far as I know, nobody in the mainstream is associating the Virgina shooting with “Angry Asian Men” and his quip about Asian women:
“who are often fetishized as hyper-feminine and subservient”
…sounds like his own personal belief rather than that of the vast majority of white males. In nearly every White male + Asian female relationship that I know of, it’s the so-called “subservient” Asian female that wears the pants.
Finally, this is one of sure signs of 100% BS:
“It’s just a question of whether they’re in touch with it or not.”
Anytime anyone claims that somebody else is unaware of some emotion they are harboring, it’s time to call shenanigans.
Rejoice, Asian males ! Kevin Chong knows all of you better than you know yourselves !
What a bunch of BS.
Indeed, Asian women are indeed quite feminine (compare with German, for example!), but anyone thinking or saying they are “subservient” has certainly never been deeply involved with one before…
a) that Cho’s family and the Korean community would have informed the Western media about any anti-white sentiments even if Cho had harbored and expressed…’
Cho’s video rant wasn’t enough? It’s rather disappointing there’s no smoking gun to support what most of you white dudes would love to believe ie ‘he killed those people not because he was mentally ill but because we take his women’.
Yeah, right! This angry Asian thing is manufactured by white guys like Marmot. Way overblown.
Right. Me and my own made it.
The guys who make it — college and job — live like kings and get to choose. The rest… Well has it not always been this way?
The guy was mentally ill plain and simple. Why is ok for Koreans to date foreign women, but not ok for foreign guys to date Korean girls? Again, “when in Rome” right?
… anyway
Wasn’t there a site called angryasianmen.org? (or .com or .net or something…) It was full of stuff like “Why Asian guys can’t get laid”(Hollywood) and “Why Asian girls don’t date Asian guys” (Imperialism). I showed it to a friend of mine (he was Asian and was dating another friend of mine, who was white) and told them “Guys… I’m afraid I have some bad news. I know you’re in a very loving relationship and all…”
Yes. And it’s linked to both the original CBC piece and the post.
Inter-racial dating has nothing to do with Cho’s personal problems, according to what has been revealed. He was a disturbed individual and not the poster-boy for some trend.
The author is a troll.
CBC is going down the drain!!
“Cho’s video rant wasn’t enough? It’s rather disappointing there’s no smoking gun to support what most of you white dudes would love to believe ie ‘he killed those people not because he was mentally ill but because we take his women’.”
Most of us “white dudes?” Based on your interpretation of one person who posted? I haven’t met one person who has attempted to make such a connection, and I don’t remember it being an issue here — or elsewhere — when the massacre happened. Kevin Chong, the author of this mediocre article, may be doing this, but I’m betting he isn’t a “white dude.”
He’s just gripping straws… Cho’s rant had very little or no specific race issues, it was more complaints about general wealth and the media. Kevin needs a new poster boy… or maybe not, if it involves going around shooting any non-east asian dude with an east asian girl…
Cho was a Manchurian candidate trained and mind-controlled by the military.
i shouldn’t have accused marmot of manufacturing the angry asian man thing since i see him as pretty well rounded. however, let me say that this angry asian man thing is a product manufactered by white guys with low self esteem.
i’ll leave you with a paraphrase from the (caucasian) guy who made ‘harold and kumar…’:
‘you know, you always see these images of nerdy asian guys in the movies but that wasn’t my experience with asian dudes in college. most of them were party animals just like i was. that’s why i made ‘harold and kumar’.’
@2,7 - our angry asian
cmm, you’re the one who claimed to be mistaken for a movie star by korean women, right? you’re exactly the guy i’m talking about. you take the existance of some web site run by some angry asian guy as proof that asian guys are angry? you exagerate all this to feed your fragile ego.
btw, can i ask you which movie star you’re mistaken for? lol.
So let me get this straight pawi.
Write of article, Kevin Chong = white guy with low self esteem.
Director of Yellow Fellas, Tetsuro Shigematsu = white guy with low self esteem.
All the posters at the Fightin 44’s = white guys with low self esteem.
Creator of the Angry Asian Man website = white guy with low self esteem.
Eric Nakamura, co-creator of Giant Robot = white guy with low self esteem.
Tak Toyoshima, author of Secret Asian Man = white guy with low self esteem.
Japanese American Adrian Tomine, author of Shortcomings = white guy with low self esteem.
All of the above mentioned in the article are in the business of promoting, writing about, or selling the idea of the Angry Asian Man.
And not a single one of them are white.
Women wear the pants in ALL marriages, not just Korean-foreigner ones.
Well, Herod, its been my experience that women will first take your pants off and then beat one to death with them.
I guess being an angry Asian man is okay just so long as they don’t get tattoos and listen to country music.
The fetishized subservient Asian women a reason to be angry? Isn’t the subservient woman a central character in most porn, whether it was shot for the Asian, European, or North American markets regardless of whether the women playing that role are white, Latina, Asian or black?
Oh, and yeah, he who thinks North American guys marry Asian women because they are subservient has never been married to a Korean woman.
“Oh, and yeah, he who thinks North American guys marry Asian women because they are subservient has never been married to a Korean woman.
Gotta agree.
The problem is not that Asian women are being fetishized, but rather it’s damn hard to get a date as an Asian man, well much harder than normal. Asian women dating non-Asian men isn’t an indication of inverse bias, instead they actually demonstrate less bias than other women.
It’s not a matter of being an extrovert, but simply being Asian is a severe penalty in dating and relationships. It is a statistically observable phenomenon. To match an average Joe Blow, an Asian man will require significantly more earning power. In speed dating, white women also display more bias against Asian men.
The problem isn’t whitey stealing our women, but rather Asian women being neutral in regards to relationships and other women being discriminatory. You would think that the two out groups in the whole relationship pyramid, asian men and black women, would get together but it turns out that black women are the most discriminatory regarding dating and the higher up the socio-economic ladder you go, the likelier that they are going to be spinsters. (i.e. Condoleeza)
Jing is on the money, but his generalizations apply only to the North American social scene, not overseas in Korea or China. I recall a previous thread about speed dating experiments in NYC, which showed that women showed a stronger preference for a partner of the same race than men. While living in Korea and China, I knew white and black Western women who did not find Asian men either culturally or physically appealing; however, those women were a minority. The most beautiful foreign woman I knew personally, a tall blonde with a brick house bod and a perfect face, kept company with a very masculine, sexy Korean army ranger.
If you’re striking out with white chicks, Jing, maybe the problem isn’t your Asian face.
“Namely, they are upset about the predominance of interracial dating between white males and Asian females — who are often fetishized as hyper-feminine and subservient”
No, it’s not fetish or subservient. East Asian women look like girls. Men want sex with young women. There is a natural attraction to the East Asian women because her physical characteristics are very similar to a young girl; small frame, large cheeks, pouty lips, etc… she looks like a girl to a Western male.
And, the Western male is attractive to the East Asian female. I can’t know why, as I’m a Western male.
Humm… it appears that no one has discussed or thought about this. Maybe it’s only from my odd mind. However, I don’t think one of the major take aways from Cho’s rampage is one of race issues. That freak shot up everyone regardless of color. He was just a very violent, disturbed mind.
When I compare what Cho did with what Charles Whitman (the UT of Austin shooter) and Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold did at Columbine I see a difference in Western and non-Western values on violence. All four of these deranged individuals had the same goal: a high body count for a macabre calling card to infamy.
Whitman used a sniper rife and thought that position and precision would create the highest body count. Harris and Klebold had machine pistols and pipe bombs. They thought firepower would create the highest body count. Total body count: 14 and 12 respectively.
Cho’s approach was a lot more straightforward. Lock the doors, get up close and personal and go into each classroom and blast away with two underpowered handguns. Total body count: 32. Doesn’t take a math genius to see that Cho was more efficient. No fancy pipe bombs, no fancy automatic weapons, no fancy sniper rife.
Thus, the Western attitude towards violence tends to lean to a solution involving technology and/or firepower, whereas the non-Western approach seems to be more like a Nike commercial: “Just do it.”
A more sedate example would be America’s reliance on mutually supporting fire bases to pin the Vietcong to geographic specific areas and pound them with artillery to “pacify” the country. What did the Koreans do in Vietnam? They didn’t have America’s firepower and/or technology so they just occupied territory and used efficient violence to scare all the hooches to death so giving rice and shelter to Charlie would be the last thing on their minds.
I attribute this to the West being more acquainted with technology and technological solutions, the industrial revolution being in the late 18th century for the West and industrialization for most non-Western nations being well into the 20th century.
In this age of global terrorist organizations from non-Western and non-industrial (or very recently industrial) nations, the lesson I think we need to learn is that we shouldn’t rely on solutions based on firepower and technology as being the most effective means to an end.
I can’t believe that I consistently used “rife” instead of “rifle.”
:wallbash:
It’s troubling to think that western values of violence are keeping back our best mass-killers. Cho put the others to shame and is really the new standard bearer in mass carnage. This will cause the leading psychotic killers to rethink their models and assumptions, and really signals a new paradigm shift.
# 31,
Not true.
Harris and Klebold obviously didn’t copy Whitman, their direct predecessor. Mass murderers tend to be egotistical and want to do things differently in order to be “remembered.” The last thing they want to be known as are copy cats. This partially explains why there haven’t been anymore Zodiac Killers or Jack the Rippers. Even if there were, we don’t remember them because they were not original.
One thing Cho probably DID learn from Harris and Klebold is to leave some sort of video “manifesto” of incoherent ideas and impossible to understand “wrongs” they suffered, be it real or imagined.
On the subject of mass killers or serial killers, it’s an issue of individualism and anti-social behavior that’s gone warped beyond imagination to a sane mind, which may be be the reason why there are more of these type of killers in Western nations then there are in developing or non-Western nations.