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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/19/that-was-a-close-call/#comment-119309</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 16:55:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>South Korea has long been an atrocious country to live in for the disabled/handicapped physically or mentally.

http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2007/11/21/2007112100387.html

Check it out.  Big uncle decides to take the govt's help money, but treats his MR nephew like a dog.  Like a Korean dog, that is.  American dogs at least get some love hugs and pats, every now and then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>South Korea has long been an atrocious country to live in for the disabled/handicapped physically or mentally.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2007/11/21/2007112100387.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.chosun.com/site/da.....00387.html</a></p>
<p>Check it out.  Big uncle decides to take the govt&#8217;s help money, but treats his MR nephew like a dog.  Like a Korean dog, that is.  American dogs at least get some love hugs and pats, every now and then.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 11:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29,

Yes, certainly.

Wow, 41 replies before WJK replied with a 'tu quoque' argument.  I can imagine the pain must have been quite hard to take for you to have lasted that long.</description>
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<p>Yes, certainly.</p>
<p>Wow, 41 replies before WJK replied with a &#8216;tu quoque&#8217; argument.  I can imagine the pain must have been quite hard to take for you to have lasted that long.</p>
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		<title>By: bumfromkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>bumfromkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:27:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@43

I believe the hypocrisy that wjk is pointing out is the usage of "gay" as something derogatory and pejoratives while at the same time making criticisms of being discriminatory against LGBT.

I.E. Discriminating gays is so gay. &#60;== hypocrisy, and incidentally, one of the more favored slogans of the local LGBT alliance (mostly for the irony's sake)

"There are no gays in Korea."

... Yeah, I don't think that's the popular opinion anymore.  Ever seen 방과후 옥상?

Anyway... what the hell does "mandatory gay" means?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@43</p>
<p>I believe the hypocrisy that wjk is pointing out is the usage of &#8220;gay&#8221; as something derogatory and pejoratives while at the same time making criticisms of being discriminatory against LGBT.</p>
<p>I.E. Discriminating gays is so gay. &lt;== hypocrisy, and incidentally, one of the more favored slogans of the local LGBT alliance (mostly for the irony&#8217;s sake)</p>
<p>&#8220;There are no gays in Korea.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8230; Yeah, I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s the popular opinion anymore.  Ever seen 방과후 옥상?</p>
<p>Anyway&#8230; what the hell does &#8220;mandatory gay&#8221; means?</p>
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		<title>By: Iceberg</title>
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		<dc:creator>Iceberg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 04:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I may be a bit slow, but I think seouldout was taking a swipe at Mets fans.  Though the irony that you think associating gays with Mets fans is insulting to gays is delicious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I may be a bit slow, but I think seouldout was taking a swipe at Mets fans.  Though the irony that you think associating gays with Mets fans is insulting to gays is delicious.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:42:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7rWh654214&#38;feature=related</description>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KL97TOTl99c

this is how civil rights minded AMERICA truly feels about gays.

How dare they lecture Koreans about civil rights.</description>
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<p>this is how civil rights minded AMERICA truly feels about gays.</p>
<p>How dare they lecture Koreans about civil rights.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:37:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>seouldout, you expect me to be unpartial 100% to LGBT, (I am not)

but you are at liberty to take swipes at gays, as in 

"gay Met fans"?

So, you don't like gay people?

YOU have a problem with gay people?

sounds pretty condescending to me.  "Gay Met fans"?

wait now, Wait.  WAIT.

Koreans, and including gyopos, are subject to a lecture about civil rights when they discriminate against LGBT.  Alrighty, white man.  Did you forget about civil rights when you call a group of people, "gay Met fans"?

but, expats like seouldout get a freepass when they take a swipe at gays, right?

Ah, now I understand.

admit it already, wjk is under attack.  For no good reason, too.

and you're not a better person than wjk, (you know it) but attacking him gives you a buzz.

what's that song, they sing in right field at Yankee stadium, again?

I believe it goes something like,

Y R U Gay...

New York Pigeons fans (well, they WERE the Baltimore Orioles, and the colors match perfect), I expect you to denounce your own baseball kingdom , if you want to denounce Koreans for discriminating against ANYONE not Korean, the disabled Korean, the female Korean, the LGBT Korean, the mentally ill Korean, any disadvantaged Korean, etc.  Not that you are obligated to.

hey, wjk is not available for abuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>seouldout, you expect me to be unpartial 100% to LGBT, (I am not)</p>
<p>but you are at liberty to take swipes at gays, as in </p>
<p>&#8220;gay Met fans&#8221;?</p>
<p>So, you don&#8217;t like gay people?</p>
<p>YOU have a problem with gay people?</p>
<p>sounds pretty condescending to me.  &#8220;Gay Met fans&#8221;?</p>
<p>wait now, Wait.  WAIT.</p>
<p>Koreans, and including gyopos, are subject to a lecture about civil rights when they discriminate against LGBT.  Alrighty, white man.  Did you forget about civil rights when you call a group of people, &#8220;gay Met fans&#8221;?</p>
<p>but, expats like seouldout get a freepass when they take a swipe at gays, right?</p>
<p>Ah, now I understand.</p>
<p>admit it already, wjk is under attack.  For no good reason, too.</p>
<p>and you&#8217;re not a better person than wjk, (you know it) but attacking him gives you a buzz.</p>
<p>what&#8217;s that song, they sing in right field at Yankee stadium, again?</p>
<p>I believe it goes something like,</p>
<p>Y R U Gay&#8230;</p>
<p>New York Pigeons fans (well, they WERE the Baltimore Orioles, and the colors match perfect), I expect you to denounce your own baseball kingdom , if you want to denounce Koreans for discriminating against ANYONE not Korean, the disabled Korean, the female Korean, the LGBT Korean, the mentally ill Korean, any disadvantaged Korean, etc.  Not that you are obligated to.</p>
<p>hey, wjk is not available for abuse.</p>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbnhj</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:15:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry - should've added that, where my wife works, the women can generally afford to stop working after marriage, and are really happy to do so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry - should&#8217;ve added that, where my wife works, the women can generally afford to stop working after marriage, and are really happy to do so.</p>
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		<title>By: gbnhj</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 03:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the case of my wife's coworkers, they manage to 'marry well' - guys with good corporate jobs, or else small-business owners, are the guys they're usually interested in. Two married NZ gyopos (that somehow stuck in my mind), and one married a gyopo from San Diego. The Kiwis had good jobs, but the guy from SoCal was a deadbeat.

Where I work, they don't always quit working when they marry, but some just do. The guys they marry seem to be fairly typical income-earners, usually. I guess they accept the idea of quitting for some conventional reasons, but I can't really question them about their motives, so I don't know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the case of my wife&#8217;s coworkers, they manage to &#8216;marry well&#8217; - guys with good corporate jobs, or else small-business owners, are the guys they&#8217;re usually interested in. Two married NZ gyopos (that somehow stuck in my mind), and one married a gyopo from San Diego. The Kiwis had good jobs, but the guy from SoCal was a deadbeat.</p>
<p>Where I work, they don&#8217;t always quit working when they marry, but some just do. The guys they marry seem to be fairly typical income-earners, usually. I guess they accept the idea of quitting for some conventional reasons, but I can&#8217;t really question them about their motives, so I don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2007 02:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Many more opt on their own (or, if you will, are trapped into following the social convention of) quitting their jobs at the time of marriage. Many of my wife’s coworkers have done this. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

I wonder if some of these women are married to eldest sons and thus expected to take on a lot of household duties.  If the wife's not soon to be a stay-at-home mother, I can't imagine how a young couple could afford to lose one salary.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Many more opt on their own (or, if you will, are trapped into following the social convention of) quitting their jobs at the time of marriage. Many of my wife’s coworkers have done this. </p></blockquote>
<p>I wonder if some of these women are married to eldest sons and thus expected to take on a lot of household duties.  If the wife&#8217;s not soon to be a stay-at-home mother, I can&#8217;t imagine how a young couple could afford to lose one salary.</p>
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