Park Chul has turned over to the police a video showing the Italian chef “G” and Ok together doing “extremely friendly activity” and “G”, “almost naked.”
The video was shot through the window of “G” ’s apartment. Park claims that it is “irrefutable proof” of Ok’s adultery and some in the media are claiming that the video is a “time bomb.”
We’ll see.
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He’s an international hotel chef, and he lived in an 오피스텔? Hope it was a swanky high-rise with nice views.
We’ll have to wait and see just how much he really got on film.
Why is the police involved in an adultery case???
I thought that the old law in which adultery was a crime, has been changed.
According to my partner, these days in adultery cases the court (not the police investigators or prosecutors) is taking an exceptionally narrow view of “proof”. Is he naked? What does that prove? Maybe he spilled orange juice on his pants and shirt. Maybe they’re nudists forming a Bible-reading circle — every club starts with two people. It’s not unlawful to be nude.
Good for the Sports Hankook to bust that story wide open! I think everyone on the subway this morning was reading that paper.
On the other hand, if Park shot the video through the bedroom window then he might have gotten a lot more than he expected to get.
This would be a good opportunity for the media to question this archaic, ludicrous, and rather dehumanizing law. It’s an embarrassment that it’s still on the books.
So actually this law is still active? Amazing!
“This would be a good opportunity for the media to question this archaic, ludicrous, and rather dehumanizing law. It’s an embarrassment that it’s still on the books.”
I agree.
Adulterers are “home-wreckers”. They deserve jail time.
Men are above animals. We cannot go around fucking each other when we are in “heat”.
This is difference between real Koreans and the rest of the world.
Koreans have high moral standard. Whether one can achieve it is another story. But at least one has a standard.
I hope some westerners learn this part of Korea. We have standards.
Couldn’t agree with you more. I mean, have you seen some of the girls that work in the room salons? They’re super fly. A lot better than the toothless crack whores you see in New York. In fact, in this regard, I’d almost be willing to say Korea has the highest standards of any country in the world.
Oksori and Park Chul are not average Koreans. These are scums.
Do not judge average Koreans through these dirts.
Koreans are moral people. Of course, westerners want to deny that because it makes them feel better.
Koreans, with moral Confucian teachings, are the most moral people in Asia. That is why we Koreans embrace Christianity which emphasize moral purity and importance of family.
Korea may become the most Christian country in world.
I don’t judge average Koreans by people I hear about on the news, I judge them by the people I meet every day walking around this country.
They’re not especially moral or immoral, in fact they seem to be pretty normal. Nothing unique about them. They’re just people.
Baduk, not sure where you’ve developed your moral supremecist theory, but from my general observations, I’d suggest Koreans cheat on their spouses far more than westerners do; they also whore far more often.
The fact that there is a law against adultery is irrelevent; its also against the law to grow poppies in Afganistan. Perhaps it just suggests a problem…?
BTW, to be “moral” do you have to be “Christian?”
baduk doesn’t know because he happens to one of those ultra-brainwashed korean christian types. i’m sure. i could guess that before his followup rant about christianity in this thread.
in truth, my fellow koreans are, as others sometimes say, like the irish, whom freud would have postulated were unemcumbered with superego and lived as the id extended. well, it’s not the actual freud quote, but my point may be true as the essence: ie, to understand the korean think of a people driven by a very very pragmatic modus: not quite moralists, we are naked instrumentalists.
i’d like to think it’s because we’re actually very rational and smart, and this idea: the greater the intelligence, the more difficult it is to maintain ‘high principles’ without the absolute foundations for them. it takes a genius to establish these foundations, short of that we’re drifting in the void with nothing but our most basic impulses to guide us.
“They’re not especially moral or immoral, in fact they seem to be pretty normal. Nothing unique about them. They’re just people.”
Well said.
Baduk:
This is difference between real Koreans and the rest of the world. Koreans have high moral standard.
The economist (via the Korean Institute of Criminology):
…In Asia’s third-largest economy, the sex industry accounts for over 4% of GDP, says the Korean Institute for Criminology. At current prices, that figure would be consistent with one in five South Korean men aged between 20 and 64 buying sex four times a month…
https://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=549467&story_id=E1_PSSRRJT
Of course, men sleeping with prostitutes and cheating on their wives is not really immoral. What we’re really concerned about here is the women cheating, right Baduk?
How about shooting video through the window of some dude’s apartment? Is that immoral? Should it be illegal? Even I, the unmasker of Silly Sally, would not stoop so low.
Given the hassles Michael Hurt has run into taking pictures of people walking fully clothed down the street, it’s interesting this cuckolded husband can so freely spy into that foreigner’s apartment.
Baduk, might I direct your attention to a video of another sort?
http://raskb.korea.com/raskb/93
Here, Brian Myers walks us through some of the cultural underpinnings that helped establish the idea of moral superiority in Korea. Contrary to the title, the information is applicable to both North and South Korea. I warn you, this will likely piss you off beyond where you’ve ever been pissed off before by meddling foreigners.
let’s hope they are kind enough to pixelate ms. ok’s face.
“Of course, men sleeping with prostitutes and cheating on their wives is not really immoral.”
All because of those evil Japanese!
I personally fuck everything I see when I’m in heat. Even my pillows. Hell, I’d even bang baduk a few new holes if i could hold him long enough—which is allows difficult to do with dirty, greasy things.
Shooting video through the windows of anyone’s apartment should land that person in the very morally gray area of things.
Yet… Not drawing your curtains when you have company of the other sex in a land where you lack
rightspolice interest in your problems, is a really stupid thing to forget to do.Baduk, the esteemed Prof. Brian Myers gave a great lecture on North Korean ideology that also outlines the development of Korea’s national ideology and the basis for the idea that Koreans are morally superior to all other people. Watching it online is an hour well-spent. So, fire up your broadband connection and prepare to be more pissed off at a pompous, critical, meddling foreign devil than you ever have been before.
(Tried to link to this several times, but it doesn’t seem to be allowing me to post with a link. Perhaps one of the moderators could fix the gibberish below into something useful.)
raskb dot korea dot com slash raskb slash 93
I think we have a case of either serious sarcasm or baiting on the part of baduk. Either that or the body snatchers took his brain (or at least his fingers.) Does anyone else besides me have a hard time believing that the man with the intelligence and soothsaying skills that unmasked Hwang Woo Suk before it actually happened would actually make such bigoted statements in other than jest.
As for sex with the Italian stallion: is anyone here naive enough to believe that he DIDN’T play hide the salami with Ms. Ok? I’m with Mr. Carr on this… I heard the law has been pretty rough… demanding proof of coitus to make it stick. And since there are plenty of other fun things to do that are NOT coitus (things that I’m sure the Stud knows better than the cuckolded husband) I think this is just going to be an ugly divorce with no one ending in prison time…
Real Koreans have learned from Confusian teachings that 1)family is very important 2)sexual urge has to be controlled 3)woman who fools around is a whore 4)younger men have to respect older men.
These are basics. If any Korean does not share these values then he is not a real Korean at all.
Koreans are morally superior people, in the sense that they have a bench mark to live up to.
Westerners, unless they are true Christians, do not. No value system. No standards.
“Freedom is another word for nothing left to lose”.
Koreans have common value system based on Confusian teachings. And, strengthened by Christian beliefs.
You can call me anything you like. I live by my value system. And, I believe this have eternal consequences.
Baduk: “You can call me anything you like”
Retard.
What? Silly Sally was unmasked? See what not reading comment sections will do.
Let’s also add:
the sexual urge is not something to share with your spouse [whores galores!]
5) women are lowest on the tier
6) you don’t have to respect people you don’t know personally [because they don't yet exist]
7) a man who fools around is within his rights
9) younger men usually can’t function properly in a social gathering until they figure out everyone’s age, then proceed to dis younger women for not showing them the respect they are naturally entitled to by birth and gender
10) everybody should hold the utmost respect for
the kingpresident [I don't know] RohGiven the whole pie, how many REAL KOREANS exist? That you would call friend? That you know by name?
Yup.
dammit. that smilely should be #8
“Brian Myers gave a great lecture on North Korean ideology”
I would love to see that if it is still online. Can someone link it?
I’ve not looked around the Marmot’s Hole long enough to know all the characters too well, but baduk of late is the more mysterious to me. Either he is addicted to Korean Kool-Aid Cocktail Soju (see #26 above), or he likes to stir the pot and “stimulate” conversation.
If your a conspiracy theorist, consider that he (or pawi and other korean apologists and expat haters for that matter) might just be rjkoehler.com keeping things interesting here to increase traffic and therefore ad revenue. I’m not a conspiracy theorist though.
All cultures have values. Value systems differ. One man’s pork is another man’s porno. Which is not to say that there are no absolutes. Someone (or perhaps everyone) definitely has got it all wrong…
Americans value freedom. We build statues to liberty, declare our independence, and fight wars to promote democracy. One could argue that Americans are morally superior. Indeed, some Americans have done so by pointing to as contentious examples as the existence of gay priests and abortion on demand. I am just waiting for Paris Hilton to visit Iran…
Korean society also has values, even arguably moral ones. But the last I checked, Confucianism was Chinese and Jesus was Jewish. Moral authority has to be an issue. Who decides? And what makes it Korean?
BTW Brendon, I’m going to have to cancel my appearance at your Bible-reading circle this week…
To cmm,
Baduk is a well-known poster here.
He is famous for calling Dr. Hwang Yoo-suk a fraud long before the truth came out.
Baduk uses a lot of hyperbole. He despises what President Noh and the left-wing “commies” (his words) are doing to Korea.
He is a Korean and lives in America, I believe. He is a Christian.
I, myself, am a Baduk fan, but I don’t agree with him this time because I don’t think Koreans are morally superior. A walk around the love motel district around 신림 station should convince anyone of that.
Baduk, I think you are in a state of Confucian confusion. According to your standard probably 1% of Koreans are real Koreans, since so few come anywhere close to actually following Confucian principles. In principle, Confucianism requires those in dominant positions to constrain their selfish motivations to take care of their subordinates. In reality, it just gives license to abuse. Hence this is the land of hypocrisy - everyone pretending to be virtuous, but in fact thoroughly corrupt, particularly so at the top rungs of society. This hypocrisy is exposed in TV shows like “Scandal” the Korean version of Cheaters, which is way more entertaining, mainly because American cheaters don’t put on such a phony facade of moral living.
You also don’t understand the west very well Baduk. There are Christians in the West, but there are probably as many secular humanists, who believe in reason, ethical conduct, and justice. Actually, I think secular humanism owes alot to religious humanism, but that’s just my opinion. This reminds me of how some Koreans misunderstand manners in the west. Because the rules are more subtle - there’s no honorific verb endings for instance, they think there are simply no rules at all. There are plenty of moral principles in the West that Koreans can learn from - such as honesty, concern for community outside of family members, trust, forgiveness, tolerance, compromise, and respect for diversity, to name a few.
And how often that trips them up.
@30 - I tried to link to the video of the lecture, but every time included the link in my post, it seemed to get tripped up in the spam filter somewhere. So, here’s my alternative:
http://raskb.korea.com/raskb/93
“Real Koreans have learned from Confusian teachings that 1)family is very important”
dat gud learnings
#34 you’re correct. It’s very easy when someone doesn’t understand the subtle society rules and morality of a culture they can’t comprehend and assume that society is culturally/morally inferior to their own. Our good friend Baduk is a prime example of this. I believe he’s lived in the US for many years but understands very little of the American value system and even less about American society as a whole. The same of course can be said for numerous expats living in Korea that don’t take the time to learn the many nuances and subtleties of Korean culture.
Baduk,
Have you ever been to Korea…?
Baduk, for a true Christian, you have very little understanding of Christian values. Otherwise you wouldn’t be casting such boorish aspersions.
Matthew: 7:1 “Don’t judge, so that you won’t be judged.”
One thing I like about Koreans is that they are often revealingly honest. The irony is that in trying to put your people on a pedestal, you’ve in fact highlighted some of your countrymen’s greatest flaws: irrational self-indulgence, exclusivism and hypocracy.
But carry on, I find it entertaining.
Btw that was very well said dokdoforever.
What was this unmasking of Silly Sally? Please, do tell.
Ok,Ok, morally-superior may have been too extreme.
However, I do like to say most Koreans are at least an average in the world moral scale. Because, Koreans have been bred in Confucian teachings from their birth.
The problem is that you outsiders only come in contact with 10% of Koreans who have never practiced their “Koreanness”.
The situation is akin to an African who comes to NewYork and live in 42nd street. For him, every man is a pimp and every women is a hooker.
It is sad that most foreigners do not experience the real Korea, where people keep their value system.
90% of Koreans.
foobat,
Yes, it has some bad side-effects. But when I see the whole world going to the doghouse and every man and woman sleeps around while ignoring their responsibilities and wrecking family, I think Confucian system is better.
Yes, BETTER.
Whole society should stone those who sleep with women who are not their wives.
Adultery law makes sense. Send these losers to jail for at least one year.
If someone renegs on an important contract(marriage contract), should he/she pay the damage? This practice also wrecks the society which allows it.
Old Korean system of Confucian society was not so bad when compared to what is happening right now.
Many of you only come in contact with bad side of Korea. Only deal with rotten Koreans.
The situation is akin to an African who comes to NewYork and live in Manhattan near 42nd street.
He will never meet an average American and his views about America will be so ridiculous.
You guys are like that.
Morally-superior may have been too extreme, but Koreans are very decent people with much goodness to contribute to the world.
Confucian teaching of “family values” is superior to what is going on in the world today. It teaches family members to behave in a way to preserve family and raise good kids who have moral values.
I believe 80% of Koreans still try to keep this value system.
You guys only come in contact with the 20% who do not.
retard
I am willing to grant you that there is diversity even in Korea, and certainly many fine Koreans.
I too believe in family values, though I am not a Confucianist. Just ask my Chinese wife, who is not one either. She finds it to be a contradiction to her Christianity.
Baduk, you said: “Koreans have high moral standard. Whether one can achieve it is another story. But at least one has a standard.”
While it may be true that traditional Korean culture emphasized morality, South Korea has practically thrown that out the window. Blame westernization all you want, but how many 19-year-old Korean girls in Seoul today are virgins? Why the rumors (if they are rumors at all) of female undergrads sleeping w/ professors for better grades? Adultery statistics being high? And Korean men cheating on women… Miami, room salons, etc?
oh and baduk, one more thing.
원조교제.
Silly Sally was an acerbic wit, if abrasive at times, and a pretty good writer. I don’t see that applying to the person in question here.
Slim, who is the person in question?
Thanks Hoju, not so bad yourself.
Blueballs, the person in question is cinemagauche, who got into it with Carr over 911 conspiracy stuff.
>Slim, who is the person in question?
cinemagauche, unless I’m mistaken
Talk about the naked chef!
(That ought to be his defense, actually…)
Jeffery Hodges
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@#31
I’ve noticed baduk’s and wjk’s writing style coincide remarkably well at times. They’re both ultra-Christian and ultra-Conservative Bush supporters. And they’re both provocateurs in their own way - in a very s.., ahem, well, nevermind.
I’m not saying they must be the same person but if they’re not, then — they must have gone to the same school, been taught by the same teachers, have probably slept in the same bed, eaten from the same ramen bowl. Most importantly, they have the same “queue up on the Airplane!” effect on the expats on this blog.
In addition, I’ve never seen these two guys “in the same room at the same time”, or they don’t post to each other except to declare that they agree with each other. Kind of gay. :p
Not that I really care either way. Just sayin.
pardon my entrance, but I’d like to say that somehow, someway, Japan is at fault yet once again.
Hold on, cowboy. Read on.
Why is a sports newspaper reporting this?
Did you ever think about that, expat?
Would espn cover this? Sports Illustrated?
Well, it appears that Yun Yae Gyae is covered in Sportsnewspapers in Japan and Korea.
You see, instead of having tabloids, we have Japanese style sporting news in Korea.
Laugh with me, expat.
Not at me.
If cinemagauche is Silly Sally, I’m Manute Bol.
#53, not to mention they both write a bunch of consecutive one-sentence paragraphs; both often write 2/3/4 consecutive posts in a row; both like to refer to themselves in the 3rd person; both make ridiculously naive statements about Korea and Korean society that make me believe they haven’t been there in decades; and most importantly, they’re both 5 cans short of a 6-pack…completely fucking nuts.
won jo gyo jae is from Japan. You gotta 50-50% chance of being right or wrong on any given issue, but you can bank on 60%, if you think something is so heinously wrong and it’s sexual, hey, man, Japan has something to do with it.
I assure baduk and I are 2 different people.
Hear, hear.
First of all, we are thousands of miles apart in the US.
2nd of all, baduk is a successful gentleman who has sired children and believes that his children should not marry Koreans.
I’m a bachelor. I believe the Koreans coming out of my blood line should produce more Koreans.
Baduk says all Jeollas are commies.
He might be from Kyong Sang.
I’m from Choong Chung. I don’t think they are all commies.
Get it straight, dumb expat.
80%? With the math one can extrapolate from the 4% GDP figure alone, that’s impossible. I still wonder, Baduk, if you’ve ever actually been here.
wjk, I believe you absolutely when you state you are a medical student (intern?) working in an emergency room here in CONUS (LA area I think you said).
Why? Because your posts are usually dashed off in a series of short bursts — like writing a bunch of prescriptions off a pad rapid-fire, for a succession of patients with wildly varying ailments.
Keep those doggies movin’! It drives me nuts, my head starts hurting and I can’t bring myself to read through them all (ex: your #56).
No, you’re not compadre Baduk. But I’m afraid you’re having a bad influence on our efforts to stabilize his mercurial mood swings. You can help by trying to implement the fine art of paragraphing — remember, if every sentence is a topic sentence, then none of them are.
I pray fervently that you and your possible descendants stay out of the greater American gene pool.
wjk is a 3rd year medical student. Not an intern. Not a ER resident. There is a big difference.
wjk does not lie.
Got it. You told us before, I just couldn’t remember.
I won’t forget it again.
Another similarity between wjk and baduk:
Both are fighting their own personal sexual demons, as evidenced by their more than occasional graphic descriptions of copulation littered amongst their Christian teachings. Quite obsessive, I’d say. (Perhaps that’s what abcdefg meant by “s.., ahem, well, nevermind”?)
At any rate, they’re both about two patties short of a Big Mac.
I really wonder why Koreans like that bother to emigrate to the U.S. at all. I wish they wouldn’t.
“I really wonder why Koreans like that bother to emigrate to the U.S. at all.”
Because America is No. 1 PX in world, white man!
Who doesn’t like good deal?
King Baeksu never lie.
#18,
Brendon, correct me if I’m wrong, but isn’t it illegal to film and take pictures of people without their consent in Korea?
This is not really my area of expertise; maybe leefr is reading (he reads my blog from time to time) and could give us a well-researched answer.
To my understanding, though, the analysis turns on people’s expectation of privacy (shooting through the windows in some dude’s home, ahem) as well as their right to commercial exploitation of their image. Anything you’re doing out on the public street — no privacy, although it doesn’t mean that such image could be used commercially.
Whether or not leaving your windows open amounts to a waiver of privacy is a good question, but based on my understanding of Koreans’ idea of privacy I would imagine the act of shooting images through the windows of a private residence is some kind of crime.
I think, if the fellow dwellers of the Hole refrain from responding to baduk’s and wjk’s shit, we can cut off a lot of silly mumbo jumbo, and have more thoughtful discourse.
Baduk @45:
You guys only come in contact with the 20% who do not [keep a confucian value system].
How on earth do you reach that conclusion?
“Many of you only come in contact with bad side of Korea. Only deal with rotten Koreans.”
My Korean teacher told me exactly the same thing! The people I met and studied with during my exchange year were all bad. My naive reply was: “But Ms XXXX, how can my friends be the scum of Korea? They are grad students and PhD candidates in Korea’s best university. Besides, most of their parents seem to be public servants, laywers, big business men and even ambassadors!”
Do I need to say that I didn’t get too many brownie points from my outburst?
Baduk, you are not a Christian in any real sense. You are a religious pharisee. Much of what you state is diametrically contrary to actual scriptural teaching. You should spend less time arguing with expats and more searching your own soul.
“isn’t it illegal to film and take pictures of people without their consent in Korea?”
Why does this always come up? Of course it’s not illegal.
#73,
I brought it up because I seem to remember reading an article in a Korean newspaper that said it was (then again, the Korean English press tends to speak of a bill as if it already was assured to become law).
I started this little tirade because some suggested Korean adultery law was wrong. Actually some Koreans have been saying the same thing.
However, I like to point out that most Koreans believe the law makes sense. The cheating spouse should get what he/she deserves.
Actual prison terms. Six months to a year.
This is a good law. It makes perfect sense to most Koreans who share Confucian teaching about the importance of “family”.
Anyone who wrecks family should go to jail. Definitely ostracized, and even banished from Korea.
FYI, a cheated husband/wife to gather evidence by filming, going thru garbages, personal things, mails and hiring PI is perfectly kosher in Korean law.
Privacy does not override illegal crime.
Koreans are not stupid. They will not allow a perpetrator to continue in his/her crime, yes crime of home-wrecking, using his privacy as defense.
I like Korean law in this respect.
Netizen Kim,
Have you,ur, heard of the ten commandment?
The tenth, “thou shalt not covet your neighbor’s wife and possessions”
If you love your neighbor, would you sleep with your neighbor’s spouse?
I will refrain. I do not want to hurt the spouse. I do not want to hurt their children.
God’s laws are made to protect people. It is for us to live a good and honest life.
The ten commandments are good.
I agree w/ baduk only if Kan Tong Jwae applies to Park Chul as well.
It’s totally not fair if Park Chul gets off the hook for visiting room salons, while Ms. Ok So Ri gets all this shit for sleeping w/ a Korean lover and an Italian one.
They both wrecked their marriages.
Why the hell should only Ms. Ok suffer for it?
Total bull crap.
Park, in my eyes, is a dirty fool.
I wanna call out baduk on something here. If we assume that ms OK is telling the truth and she and her husband have not had sexual relations with any regularity during her 10 year marriage, is she still bound by the marriage contract to live her life void of affection?
If we want to bring the old testament into the arguement then the bible is fairly clear on the subject of sexual duty in marriage (the New Testament, while a little more cryptic on the subject does appear to encourage the same lines of thinking about the marriage bed).
Whether we are looking at Korean law or Old Testament Law, or just the law of common sense, the question remains: is there any point at which infidelity is justified; either in the eyes of the law or The Law?
How should the chef be punished? or should he? As a Christian (conservative on at that)don’t you think it is up to God to punish him? and a believer in Korean traditional values perhaps I could refer you to the story of the magnanimity of Cheoyong (처용 [處容]) in the face of infidelity.
Any truth to the story of Park Chul visiting room salons, or just an empty accusation from Ok Sori?
Robert,
I know you dislike it when people start writing atopically and sling crap at each other, so I’ll start off with a pre-emptive apology.
here goes.
Baduk, you are an utter moron. I wonder if you ever stop to think.. I mean really THINK about what you’re writing when you pull this crap out of your ass and try to pass it off as truth.
Your opinions are your entitlement, if only because you live in the states and even idiots are protected to free speech..
But seriously, what kind of world do you live in? Do you ever open your mouth the same way in public - not online and expect anyone to take you seriously?
I have a question for you about this following statement.
B: ”Anyone who wrecks family should go to jail. Definitely ostracized, and even banished from Korea.”
Does this mean you only expect foreigners to committ adultery?
Also, when you say women who sleep around are whores, are you tacitly saying that men who have the same conduct are not? Since, according to you in all your infinite wisdom, somehow crystallize all Confuscian teachings into four randomly picked elements.
Anyhow. I’m blinking at my monitor in disbelief because of the inane bullshit you spew.
Where do you base your idea of moral superiority of Koreans? When was the last time you actually lived in Korea? I have this sense that you live in a cultural vacuum devoid of any real connection to the world outside of a tenuous link through your DSL line which I hope is abruptly severed never to be re-established.
If you so desire, I have a piggy bank which I will gladly open up to help you buy a clue.
I’m sure others are amused by your musings. I, however, find them incredibly offensive. If you fail to see how this could possibly be- well then that’s that.
Good luck in life, you’ll need it.
This thread reminds me of nothing more than monkeys flinging pooh at each other.
Most of you should be ashamed of yourselves.
baduk: “Koreans have common value system based on Confusian teachings. And, strengthened by Christian beliefs.”
You truly understand neither the principles of above nor the history behind them. If you don’t have the intellect for a cerebral discussion, it is better to just stay silent rather than continue spewing out total crap in hopes of it sticking to something.