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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/10/the-full-salon/#comment-117852</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 06:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Ah, I mean this girl, http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl1.htm&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Cristina Warthen (neé Schultz) apparently has the &lt;a href="http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl3.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;sympathies of her Stanford classmates&lt;/a&gt;, and has since married dot-com millionaire David Warthen, founder of Ask Jeeves (now Ask.com). 

Her old professional webpage is &lt;a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20031126024411/www.touchofbrazil.net/about-brazil.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;still available&lt;/a&gt;, and you can see more recent shots of Cristina Warthen &lt;a href="http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=71302468&#038;epmid=3&#038;partner=Google" rel="nofollow"&gt;steppin' out&lt;/a&gt; as a "celebrity" on the red carpet at the "Dimes &#038; Whips" event in Beverly Hills.

She clearly spent some of the money on plastic surgery. Cristina's frozen mien and grotesquely ballooned chest appear perfect for Beverly Hills, although I personally think her black friend is more attractive, although not a dime ("10").</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Ah, I mean this girl, <a href="http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl1.htm</a></p></blockquote>
<p>Cristina Warthen (neé Schultz) apparently has the <a href="http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl3.htm" rel="nofollow">sympathies of her Stanford classmates</a>, and has since married dot-com millionaire David Warthen, founder of Ask Jeeves (now Ask.com). </p>
<p>Her old professional webpage is <a href="http://web.archive.org/web/20031126024411/www.touchofbrazil.net/about-brazil.htm" rel="nofollow">still available</a>, and you can see more recent shots of Cristina Warthen <a href="http://www.viewimages.com/Search.aspx?mid=71302468&#038;epmid=3&#038;partner=Google" rel="nofollow">steppin&#8217; out</a> as a &#8220;celebrity&#8221; on the red carpet at the &#8220;Dimes &#038; Whips&#8221; event in Beverly Hills.</p>
<p>She clearly spent some of the money on plastic surgery. Cristina&#8217;s frozen mien and grotesquely ballooned chest appear perfect for Beverly Hills, although I personally think her black friend is more attractive, although not a dime (&#8221;10&#8243;).</p>
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		<title>By: colontos</title>
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		<dc:creator>colontos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 05:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Sonagi, get a man."

Best comment about another commenter. Ever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Sonagi, get a man.&#8221;</p>
<p>Best comment about another commenter. Ever.</p>
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		<title>By: ●~*</title>
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		<dc:creator>●~*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:56:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I mean this girl, http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl1.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I mean this girl, <a href="http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl1.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.lawschool.com/callgirl1.htm</a></p>
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		<title>By: ●~*</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/10/the-full-salon/#comment-117730</link>
		<dc:creator>●~*</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 22:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha. Lucrative job and........ and the girls date with your bosses whereas you haggle with your boss. Even Stanford lawschool graduate girl turned into that kind of girl. Slaves of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Haha. Lucrative job and&#8230;&#8230;.. and the girls date with your bosses whereas you haggle with your boss. Even Stanford lawschool graduate girl turned into that kind of girl. Slaves of money.</p>
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		<title>By: jdog2050</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdog2050</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, I think that's why more and more koreans are going to SE asia to buy sex.  THAT'S where the thrill is.  Trannies, drugs, violence.  Prostitution is about the thrill, without it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, I think that&#8217;s why more and more koreans are going to SE asia to buy sex.  THAT&#8217;S where the thrill is.  Trannies, drugs, violence.  Prostitution is about the thrill, without it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: jdog2050</title>
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		<dc:creator>jdog2050</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 11:55:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn Brendan, that's a lotta scratch!

@76
No, I don't think getting paid sex in America is like an oil change.  By oil change I mean, routine, easy, safe, and JOYLESS.

Sex for sale in the states is still illegal both in law, and on the street (i.e., it's enforced and people are busted routinely).    Therefore, it's *visceral*.  It's dangerous, it's sketchy, it's a thrill.

Here, there are more room salons and karaoke bars than pharmacies.  It's a joyless de facto affair that you pretty much have to do if you're in upper management.  Your friends expect you to.  Your wife expects you to.  Society expects you to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn Brendan, that&#8217;s a lotta scratch!</p>
<p>@76<br />
No, I don&#8217;t think getting paid sex in America is like an oil change.  By oil change I mean, routine, easy, safe, and JOYLESS.</p>
<p>Sex for sale in the states is still illegal both in law, and on the street (i.e., it&#8217;s enforced and people are busted routinely).    Therefore, it&#8217;s *visceral*.  It&#8217;s dangerous, it&#8217;s sketchy, it&#8217;s a thrill.</p>
<p>Here, there are more room salons and karaoke bars than pharmacies.  It&#8217;s a joyless de facto affair that you pretty much have to do if you&#8217;re in upper management.  Your friends expect you to.  Your wife expects you to.  Society expects you to.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/10/the-full-salon/#comment-117699</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Indeed, they are bused into the cities, put up in apartments, and paid much better than the korean men who they are forced to have sex with against their will.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

According to the sleazy scandal-sheet tabloids upon which I rely for my information on Korean society (hello, www.breaknews.com), the average monthly income for one of these room-salon girls in Bukchang-dong or the "full salons" ranges from W6,000,000 to W15,000,000 per month.

For a Korean woman of little education (hell, for a Korean college graduate) this can be an irresistible wage. It's what &lt;i&gt;lawyers&lt;/i&gt; make, and the job is hardly as degrading.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Indeed, they are bused into the cities, put up in apartments, and paid much better than the korean men who they are forced to have sex with against their will.</p></blockquote>
<p>According to the sleazy scandal-sheet tabloids upon which I rely for my information on Korean society (hello, <a href="http://www.breaknews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.breaknews.com</a>), the average monthly income for one of these room-salon girls in Bukchang-dong or the &#8220;full salons&#8221; ranges from W6,000,000 to W15,000,000 per month.</p>
<p>For a Korean woman of little education (hell, for a Korean college graduate) this can be an irresistible wage. It&#8217;s what <i>lawyers</i> make, and the job is hardly as degrading.</p>
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		<title>By: King Baeksu</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/10/the-full-salon/#comment-117698</link>
		<dc:creator>King Baeksu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:18:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sumo294, I am flattered that I have occupied your imagination so fully. For Round 3, shall I present my shakuhachi for your energetic consideration?

By the way, it was Berkeley not Stanford, but at least you got the state right so I'll give you a pass this time -- unlike your previous stab at my ethnicity which didn't even hit the right continent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sumo294, I am flattered that I have occupied your imagination so fully. For Round 3, shall I present my shakuhachi for your energetic consideration?</p>
<p>By the way, it was Berkeley not Stanford, but at least you got the state right so I&#8217;ll give you a pass this time &#8212; unlike your previous stab at my ethnicity which didn&#8217;t even hit the right continent!</p>
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		<title>By: aaronm</title>
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		<dc:creator>aaronm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ahh, Koreans and their "but the Japs are more promiscuous" schtick! It's like the the NE Asian version of the blood libel. Sumo's effort is worthy of entry in the 'Protocols of the Learned (Pervert) Elders of Nippon'.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ahh, Koreans and their &#8220;but the Japs are more promiscuous&#8221; schtick! It&#8217;s like the the NE Asian version of the blood libel. Sumo&#8217;s effort is worthy of entry in the &#8216;Protocols of the Learned (Pervert) Elders of Nippon&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: sumo294</title>
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		<dc:creator>sumo294</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 08:41:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are nothing more than a Roh apologist.  Oh, I go to Stanford, so I am smart, OK.

King Baeksu:  I mean really, Japanese whore houses are so much more elegant, refined and genteel compared to Korean places.

sumo294:  Except, of course, the shop next door where you can give it to a duck, lamb or even eat out a piglet.

King Baeksu:  Errr . . . look we are talking about whores here not animals.  Let's not get sidetracked.  I mean take for example the way Japanese girls will like sprinkle your food with salt and the way they serve your tea--I mean goodness gracious, I mean--it is something special, so elegant.

sumo294:  But of course at the end they give you a blow job.

King Baeksu:  Well of course, but the way they do it is so refined.  I mean the action is so smooth so different, so full of technique.  Man, its great.

sumo294:  Except of course, in the end, your Japanese host puts his dick in her ass.

King Baeksu:  What the hell are you talking about.  Man . . . what the . . . look, I lived in Japan for five years and I am telling you that stuff never happens.
No way, no way.  I mean my girl was so educated, so graceful and elegant.

sumo294:  Actually, when a Japanese girl does not want to give full service but is constrained by social expectations, she will often offer her ass in lieu of vaginal sex.

King Baeksu:  Man, shut up, where do you come up with this stuff.

sumo294:  It basically stems from the fact that anal sex was never formally addressed by Japanese law so therefore is not technically considered lewd or immoral in the eyes of the court.  If a place strictly adheres to such a service then the police do not concern themselves with such matters.

King Baeksu:  Listen man, I had plenty of Japanese girls what you are saying does not ring true.

sumo294:  Well, outside of the conversation clubs, maybe half the girls have some experience working for such places that offer it on the menu.  It really is not a big deal over there.

King Baeksu:  Man, you are lying.

sumo294:  Prositution, and what is expected of prositutes is a rigid definition in Japan.  When a shop tries something different they actually employ educators who explain very carefully what is expected of the consumer.

King Baeksu:  Yeah, look I know that already.

sumo294:  Yes, but it stems from early times when the girls were split into a caste that did it and does who are not expected to do it.  Therefore the primary aim of every Japanese whore is to be more like the higher clas whore of flower arrangement, musical instruments, and tea ceremony.  But they are a farce at what they do and in the end, if a cliet wishes for anything and if agreed to by the shop, it must be honored.

King Baeksu:  You serious?

sumo294:  This is nothing new, simply an ancient practice that came out of a system of animistic mores that evolved to its present day system.  Some might judge our reactions to such workings as Puritanical.

King Baeksu:  . . . Ok, man, then what is your point.  Asshole.

sumo294:  My point is that Koreans do not stick it to animals and Korean room salon girls do not take it in the ass.  Simple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are nothing more than a Roh apologist.  Oh, I go to Stanford, so I am smart, OK.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  I mean really, Japanese whore houses are so much more elegant, refined and genteel compared to Korean places.</p>
<p>sumo294:  Except, of course, the shop next door where you can give it to a duck, lamb or even eat out a piglet.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  Errr . . . look we are talking about whores here not animals.  Let&#8217;s not get sidetracked.  I mean take for example the way Japanese girls will like sprinkle your food with salt and the way they serve your tea&#8211;I mean goodness gracious, I mean&#8211;it is something special, so elegant.</p>
<p>sumo294:  But of course at the end they give you a blow job.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  Well of course, but the way they do it is so refined.  I mean the action is so smooth so different, so full of technique.  Man, its great.</p>
<p>sumo294:  Except of course, in the end, your Japanese host puts his dick in her ass.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  What the hell are you talking about.  Man . . . what the . . . look, I lived in Japan for five years and I am telling you that stuff never happens.<br />
No way, no way.  I mean my girl was so educated, so graceful and elegant.</p>
<p>sumo294:  Actually, when a Japanese girl does not want to give full service but is constrained by social expectations, she will often offer her ass in lieu of vaginal sex.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  Man, shut up, where do you come up with this stuff.</p>
<p>sumo294:  It basically stems from the fact that anal sex was never formally addressed by Japanese law so therefore is not technically considered lewd or immoral in the eyes of the court.  If a place strictly adheres to such a service then the police do not concern themselves with such matters.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  Listen man, I had plenty of Japanese girls what you are saying does not ring true.</p>
<p>sumo294:  Well, outside of the conversation clubs, maybe half the girls have some experience working for such places that offer it on the menu.  It really is not a big deal over there.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  Man, you are lying.</p>
<p>sumo294:  Prositution, and what is expected of prositutes is a rigid definition in Japan.  When a shop tries something different they actually employ educators who explain very carefully what is expected of the consumer.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  Yeah, look I know that already.</p>
<p>sumo294:  Yes, but it stems from early times when the girls were split into a caste that did it and does who are not expected to do it.  Therefore the primary aim of every Japanese whore is to be more like the higher clas whore of flower arrangement, musical instruments, and tea ceremony.  But they are a farce at what they do and in the end, if a cliet wishes for anything and if agreed to by the shop, it must be honored.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  You serious?</p>
<p>sumo294:  This is nothing new, simply an ancient practice that came out of a system of animistic mores that evolved to its present day system.  Some might judge our reactions to such workings as Puritanical.</p>
<p>King Baeksu:  . . . Ok, man, then what is your point.  Asshole.</p>
<p>sumo294:  My point is that Koreans do not stick it to animals and Korean room salon girls do not take it in the ass.  Simple.</p>
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