Marmot’s Open Thread #25

So much to say. So little bandwidth.

41 Comments

  1. bumfromkorea your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 12:10 pm | Permalink

    So… does anyone know what 이면수 or 임연수 is in English?

  2. dokdoforever your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 12:31 pm | Permalink

    Sure, you must be referring to my friend Yeon Soo Lim. I love having her over for dinner. Even though she gives a slimy first impression, I find her pretty tasty.

    Well, looks as though the fish to which you refer is called the “Atka Mackerel” or “Arabesque Greenling”

    http://www.nscafe.co.kr/php/bo.....here=tbody

  3. dokdoforever your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 12:33 pm | Permalink

    This is a better link, they even having nesting videos.

    http://www.afsc.noaa.gov/species/Atka_mackerel.php

  4. Posted November 10, 2007 at 12:40 pm | Permalink

    After a 6-week wait, Amazon finally delivered my copy of “The North Korean Economy - Between Crisis and Catastrophe” by Nick Eberstadt. Please, don’t anyone spoil the ending for me.

  5. bumfromkorea your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 12:59 pm | Permalink

    Awesome, thank you. I pan-fried them up few nights back for my friends and I had no idea what to say to them when they asked what the fish was. (Lol… two-faced fish?)

    Mmm… I love it with a little soy sauce + vinegar + pepper + sugar… you know what, I’m just going to go ahead and make it again.

  6. Posted November 10, 2007 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Ever wondered how Dep. of Homeland Security keeps the country so safe? Here’s how.

  7. Paul H. your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 3:29 pm | Permalink

    What a funny contribution zzoo! You’re the life of the party alright.

    I’ll bet the guy who did those rather impersonal “international stick figure” type illustrations for your link could do a set of similar ones. Showing the various contorted postures of the folks who found themselves doing another “entry” procedure — into whatever awaits us all:

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/s.....mper_x.htm

    Why don’t you write that web site and make the suggestion? Maybe you could get a commission.

  8. wjk your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 4:00 pm | Permalink

    http://news.chosun.com/site/da.....01181.html

  9. Posted November 10, 2007 at 4:04 pm | Permalink

    What does my link have to do with 9/11? The article is only meant to mock the way foreigners are treated like shit at airports in the U.S.

  10. Posted November 10, 2007 at 4:40 pm | Permalink

    I just wonder if I’ll be having my taxi guy (before I refuse to pay the fair and beat him) swing buy immigration midweek so I can moon the offices for getting tossed out on account of being arrested at age 16 for stealing a speed limit sign in a residential neighborhood… Revenge is a bitter dish indeed.

  11. Posted November 10, 2007 at 4:41 pm | Permalink

    It’s not like I’m losing much sleep, but I know a lot who are …

  12. McGenghis your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 4:47 pm | Permalink

    Don’t worry ZZOOzzoo, there are all kinds who aren’t above abusing something approaching sanctity to convince you to feel the same way they do.

  13. globalvillageidiot your flag
    Posted November 10, 2007 at 5:32 pm | Permalink

    #7. Holy shit. One cannot even be critical of Homeland Security without having graphic 9/11 images thrown in his/her face. The implication seems clear: One who is critical of the United States government must somehow be sympathetic to terrorists and/or indifferent to the mass murder of innocent people.

  14. Sonagi your flag
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 2:21 am | Permalink

    What’s on the menu for today?

    Homemade Italian sausage from pastured pork, sauteed kale, and baked delicata squash seasoned with freshly ground nutmeg, cinnnamon, and cloves for lunch. Dinner will be totally made from scratch tamales stuffed with grass-fed beef with a side of nopales (cactus pads) salad and the other half of the baked squash. Dessert will be the last of this year’s crop of concord grapes. Did I mention I paid $6.99 a pound for the sausage and 4.99 a pound for the ground beef? I’m saving the $7.50 a lb. rosemary basil beef sausage for next weekend.

  15. bumfromkorea your flag
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 4:50 am | Permalink

    “Don’t worry ZZOOzzoo, there are all kinds who aren’t above abusing something approaching sanctity to convince you to feel the same way they do.”

    Yeah, like that one guy from New York… I think his name starts with R and ends with I.

    This reminds me of that one time when Charles Gibson made fun of Jon Stewart for being emotional on Daily Show episode that was shot right after 9/11 but also being critical of the Bush administration. I think Stewart’s response was most appropriate: “because, apparently, my grief didn’t mean acquiescence.”

  16. user-81 your flag
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 5:00 am | Permalink

    “This reminds me of that one time when Charles Gibson made fun of Jon Stewart for being emotional on Daily Show episode that was shot right after 9/11 but also being critical of the Bush administration.”

    It was John Gibson from Fox.

    http://news.aol.com/newsblogge.....-response/

    Charles Gibson is the host of ABC World News Tonight, and he knows better than to end his broadcasts with “We need another 9/11.”

  17. bumfromkorea your flag
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 6:12 am | Permalink

    haha, yeah you’re right. Gotta get my Gibsons right… ^^;

  18. gbnhj your flag
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 10:15 am | Permalink

    Congratulation, Linkd, on the recent birth of your little girl. I’m sure you must be very happy, and I hope Marmot’s readers join me in wishing you continued happiness in the days (and nights) ahead.

    All the best,
    gbnhj

  19. Posted November 11, 2007 at 1:25 pm | Permalink

    Thank you very much, gbnhj. She’s a treasure indeed. The three of them are out now hunting for domestic help, leaving me the opportunity to get to many hours of long-neglected work.

    Which would usually mean that I enjoy little breaks to see what’s up here in the Hole, but today’s like the twilight zone, with wjk going nuts in the room salon and cinemagauche seeing zombie assassins around every corner in the Iran thread. Maybe I’ll just have to read the paper…

  20. tbonetylr your flag
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 3:23 pm | Permalink

    South Korean Foreign Minister WARNS the U.S.
    Just when things sounded like they were going well. Why would he speak on behalf of/fight N. Korean battles? Uhhh, Japan!

    http://www.nctimes.com/article.....1_9_07.txt

  21. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted November 11, 2007 at 3:59 pm | Permalink

    here’s some info on the korean space program:

    (from the atimes.com): ‘South Korea aims to be among the world’s top 10 space powerhouses. The country is expected to launch the Korea Space Launch Vehicle-1 (KSLV-1) along with an experimental satellite in December 2007 and prepare for a moon orbiter in the near future. The first South Korean astronaut is expected to travel into space next April, on board a rocket made jointly by Russia and South Korea.

    So far, Seoul has relied on foreign boosters to launch its satellites. The country has sent 10 communications and multipurpose satellites into space, with the latest, the Arirang-2, being put into orbit in July 2006. South Korea plans to become completely self-sufficient in this sector, thanks to Russian technology.

    In October 2006, Seoul and Moscow signed the Technology Safeguard Agreement (TSA) that will allow South Korea to access the needed technology to achieve self-reliance. However, the Russian Duma (parliament) has not yet ratified the TSA, due to US pressure. Washington fears that with an enhanced satellite-launch program that could be adapted to produce long-range ballistic missiles, Seoul would gain leverage against surrounding nations and be able to hit not only North Korea, but also large areas of China and Japan, thus threatening the balance of power in Northeast Asia and escalating the region’s space race….’

    Ain’t it interesting that Washington tells Seoul it has to defend itself but wants to tailor Seoul’s ability to defend itself by preventing it from having an ability to defend itself? Nuts.

    Korea will have its rocket technology from Russia sooner or later and thus, have the ability to strike its neighbors. This is long overdue. The Koreans need to move away from expecting another country to be their primary defense. Korea must have the capability to make ballistic missiles. There isn’t any other way and Korea can’t allow anyone to stand in their way of achieving this goal.

    Korea must have the ability to strike its neighbors so that Korea can defend its own peaceful means.

  22. mins0306 your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 10:32 am | Permalink

    The first South Korean astronaut is expected to travel into space next April, on board a rocket made jointly by Russia and South Korea.

    Actually, the rocket that will carry the first South Korean astronaut is a Russian Soyuz that is entirely made in Russia. The only Korean item in that space craft besides the astronaut are the packs of Korean space food and the scientific experiments that he will be carrying with him.

    Korea will have its rocket technology from Russia sooner or later and thus, have the ability to strike its neighbors.

    This is one thing that I don’t understand about the KSLV-1. Korea already has the ability to produce and launch solid and liquid fueled rockets. As a matter of fact, it was originally intended for the KSLV-1 to be built with technology from the KSR-3. But for some reason, the Korean government decided to use the first stage of the Russian Angara rocket for the KSLV-1. I mean why the about face? If Korea used technology from the KSR-3, they don’t have to worry about conditions that would certainly come from simply adopting a rocket stage form Russia.

  23. mins0306 your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 10:35 am | Permalink

    Korea must have the ability to strike its neighbors so that Korea can defend its own peaceful means.

    It already has or is developing that capability in the form of land attack cruise missiles with a range of 500 ~ 1500km.

  24. dogbertt your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 11:26 am | Permalink

    Korea must have the capability to make ballistic missiles. There isn’t any other way and Korea can’t allow anyone to stand in their way of achieving this goal.

    That seems a rather odd view for an American to have. I wonder how many Americans are for other nations gaining ballistic missile capability, especially when the same can potentially threaten the U.S.

  25. cmm your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 11:31 am | Permalink

    @24 Seeing as you aren’t new here, I don’t know why you’d expect pawi to express a view that is anything but odd (and/or irrational). (no offense intended… at least to dogbertt)

  26. wjk your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 11:54 am | Permalink

    i can name several in the Middle East, several in the former Soviet Union, some around India, and notably the Chinese.

    what’s your point?

    when are you ready to recognize the rest of us as more than merely “guests” in “your land”?

  27. wjk your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 11:55 am | Permalink

    http://imgnews.naver.com/image.....1916_V.jpg

    what the fuck is this guy doing?

    he must want it that badly.

  28. dogbertt your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 12:17 pm | Permalink

    when are you ready to recognize the rest of us as more than merely “guests” in “your land”?

    When you stop letting your ethnicity trump your nationality. HTH

    Who in the U.S. wants China and India to have ballistic missiles? You’re trippin’

  29. Paul H. your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 1:18 pm | Permalink

    Isn’t it the universal consensus that PRC has ballistic missiles with nuclear warheads capable of reaching the lower 48? I don’t know the figures without checking but if they can launch manned satellites into space then ballistic missiles with worldwide range are a given (aren’t they?…)

    I don’t know about India. I don’t think India sees building ballistic missiles to reach the US as a priority, but maybe whatever they’ve got for use against China/Pakistan can quickly be reprogrammed for an American target — whenever one of our Indian ocean carrier task force starts cruising ominously towards the subcontinent, following the weekly shipboard neocon political briefing to fire up the sailors.

    Actions speak louder than words, oh-my-fellow-Americans-who-happen-to-be-of-Korean-ancestry. Save your pennies for the DPRK so they can get a Taepodong fully operational! A successful “test” splashdown near Hawaii/ Alaaka will make the Americans tremble — and hasten to rush even more goodies northward, as they should.

  30. dogbertt your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 1:34 pm | Permalink

    Sure, China already has them — I made the mistake of trying to respond logically to a misinformed comment. I don’t know of any American not of Chinese descent who is happy the Chinese have them and I similarly cannot imagine any American who would want Korea to obtain them.

  31. abcdefg your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 2:07 pm | Permalink

    @24

    It’s odd only if you believe affection needs to be either/or. Pawi’s motherland is Korea. If he isn’t 1st-generation immigrant, he’s 2nd generation, and probably has many cousins, aunts, and uncles who live in Korea. It’s perfectly rational that he desire to see the country be able to protect itself.

    Jesus Christ.

  32. dogbertt your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 2:12 pm | Permalink

    And he may have relatives in North Korea, too.

    Your argument works only as long as and to the extent the interests of the ROK and the U.S. coincide.

    And let’s face it, it is not in the U.S.’s best interests for South Korea (or similarly situated nations) to have advanced weaponry. This is simply a fact.

    Step out of your ethnicity for a moment and you might see that.

  33. abcdefg your flag
    Posted November 12, 2007 at 2:51 pm | Permalink

    I don’t know about the third paragraph, but fact is SK is not NK and an enemy to America, or democracy, human rights, you name it. Your counterfactuals are just that. And plain silly - as if human beings are required to be cold political rationators or some shit, and indentured absolutely to the State and absolutely nothing else!

    “Step out of your ethnicity for a moment and you might see that.”

    Oh boy. This is like that old argument that states all beliefs must be unobjective due to the condition that beliefs invariably arise as products of specific histories, contexts, climes, or what-have-you — contradicting itself, of course, and forgetting that if that’s the case then the very argument itself is unobjective. Try to reach for something more substantial, d. I might as well just say you don’t understand because you ain’t no soul brotha.

  34. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted November 13, 2007 at 4:58 pm | Permalink

    the us is trying to prevent korea from having advanced weapons because it doesn’t want korea messing with the balance of paower in ne asia. the us isn’t worried about south koreans firing ballistic missiles at la, the us is worried korea might be able to defend itself by blowing up beijing.

    korea needs to defend itself but it can’t defend itself if it deosn’t have advanced weapons.

    ‘Step out of your ethnicity for a moment and you might see that.’ dogbert

    america is now 30% black, asian, or hispanic. that number is sure to grow. that means that the dogberts of america are just irrelevant to us disloyal colored folk. and that’s a good thng. that’s why my fellow koreans should just ignore dog’s racism since it don’t mean shit.

    ‘he’s 2nd generation, and probably has many cousins, aunts, and uncles who live in Korea. It’s perfectly rational that he desire to see the country be able to protect itself.’ abcdefg

    thank you, abcdefg.

  35. dogbertt your flag
    Posted November 13, 2007 at 5:13 pm | Permalink

    the us is trying to prevent korea from having advanced weapons because it doesn’t want korea messing with the balance of paower in ne asia. the us isn’t worried about south koreans firing ballistic missiles at la, the us is worried korea might be able to defend itself by blowing up beijing.

    Or Tokyo, which is the wet dream of so many Koreans.

    Hey, you made my point: IT IS NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE U.S. FOR KOREA TO HAVE ADVANCED WEAPONS.

    The only reason you think otherwise is because you are a Korean and are dealing with your ethnic pride. Non-hyphenated Americans can see clearly where the U.S.’s interests lie.

    america is now 30% black, asian, or hispanic. that number is sure to grow. that means that the dogberts of america are just irrelevant to us disloyal colored folk. and that’s a good thng. that’s why my fellow koreans should just ignore dog’s racism since it don’t mean shit.

    That’s right, fellow Koreans, not Americans.

    Anyhoo, let’s take your argument to its logical conclusion. You’ve got more Chinese in the U.S. now than Koreans, many of whom would be happy to see a China that is militarily more powerful than the U.S. Still think that’s a good thing?

    Disloyal is right.

  36. pawikirogi your flag
    Posted November 13, 2007 at 5:23 pm | Permalink

    ‘That’s right, fellow Koreans, not Americans.’ dogbert

    who says they’re not americans, you? sorry to tell you this, dog, but there’s no remedy to what ails you. we colored folk ain’t leaving, and you can’t do shit about it. why don’t you move to idaho? gotta warn you though, we’ll be there soon enough so you better hurry. :-)

  37. dogbertt your flag
    Posted November 13, 2007 at 5:42 pm | Permalink

    I guess it depends on what you think being an American means.

    I, and a lot of people, think it means more than just having a certificate that was handed out like a prize from a Cracker Jack box.

    Oh, and there is a remedy to what ails me, but we don’t yet have a government in office that offers it. That will come around again in time, however.

    In the mean time, what’s wrong with Idaho? It probably has lower crime levels and a higher standard of living than a lot of other places in the U.S.

  38. dokdoforever your flag
    Posted November 13, 2007 at 6:25 pm | Permalink

    US foreign policy is undoubtedly influenced by domestic ethnic politics, and it’s not just E Asian policy. The steadfast US commitment to Israel, the hostility towards Castro’s Cuba, I’m sure there are other examples of fairly small ethnic groups with strong foreign policy preferences exerting disproportionate influence. That’s a possibility when most Americans are so disinterested they can’t even find those countries on a map. I suppose it’s inevitable that recent immigrants will have split loyalties. If I became a Korean citizen, I’m sure I wouldn’t stop caring about the US. The US was built through immigration, and is a superpower today because of it. While most European nations and Japan struggle with declining birth rates and populations, US immigration allows our population and economy to expand, and over the long run increases our global clout. Assimilation takes time.

  39. user-81 your flag
    Posted November 13, 2007 at 6:27 pm | Permalink

    “In the mean time, what’s wrong with Idaho? It probably has lower crime levels and a higher standard of living than a lot of other places in the U.S.”

    Idaho is a beautiful state. Is that why Pawikirogi suggested you move there? Or maybe he thought you would feel at home with the 96% white population.

    But Idaho does have problems:

    The state of Idaho and our community are facing an assault from a devastating financial and social plague: methamphetamine abuse. This disturbing trend has reached epidemic levels in Idaho and is increasingly popular among our youth.

    Methamphetamine use in our beloved state now ranks fifth highest in the nation!

    http://www.mountainviewhospital.org/meth/

  40. Posted November 13, 2007 at 6:45 pm | Permalink

    Or maybe he thought you would feel at home with the 96% white population.

    Now come on, User-81… I’ve seen “Napoleon Dynamite,” and there was a Hispanic kid there, too. And I bet he’s the cause of the state-wide meth problem.

    BTW, the city of Preston, Idaho apparently holds a Napoleon Dynamite Festival every summer:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston%2C_Idaho

  41. dokdoforever your flag
    Posted November 13, 2007 at 9:29 pm | Permalink

    There’s an odd show on SBS now - titled “guess the honyeol,” with 6 Koreans pretending to be honyeol (mixed) and one authentic, honest to goodness honyeol. I don’t know, in the States of course it’d be racist. It’s not mean spirited, but the way the mixed person is treated as some kind of exotic curiosity bothers me. Korea’s reaction to multi-culturalism - laughing at it.

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