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		<title>By: cmm</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/you-might-not-be-able-to-get-a-soapy-massage-there/#comment-116264</link>
		<dc:creator>cmm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 01:07:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"expats are for the most part misfit wanderers with a nihilistic outlook on life"

expats in japan only?  or any/all expats?  regardless, classic.  and stupid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;expats are for the most part misfit wanderers with a nihilistic outlook on life&#8221;</p>
<p>expats in japan only?  or any/all expats?  regardless, classic.  and stupid.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 16:18:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Japanese establishments hate gaijins because gaijins haggle.  

When the Japanese go to one of these "whorehouse", 1) usually they are old men who cannot get an ass without paying for it, 2) they are drunk and hate themselves for going to these decadent places and 3)yet, they like to show they are virile men by throwing money to these poor souls in the tune of $500/hr.  

Meanwhile, gaijins like to enjoy most while paying the least.  So, they haggle.  Usually come in at off-hours and like to exactly what they are going to get and for how much.

Girls hate these type of customers.  Make them feel like a low class of street walkers.  They hate to describe what they do.   But, when they do describe, gaijins want the service for the less money.  Gaijins love money.  So much so that, even while making love, they are counting pennies.

Eastern minds have difficult understanding this calculating side of Western logic.

Even during a wild party, westerners are wondering if some cups are recyclable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Japanese establishments hate gaijins because gaijins haggle.  </p>
<p>When the Japanese go to one of these &#8220;whorehouse&#8221;, 1) usually they are old men who cannot get an ass without paying for it, 2) they are drunk and hate themselves for going to these decadent places and 3)yet, they like to show they are virile men by throwing money to these poor souls in the tune of $500/hr.  </p>
<p>Meanwhile, gaijins like to enjoy most while paying the least.  So, they haggle.  Usually come in at off-hours and like to exactly what they are going to get and for how much.</p>
<p>Girls hate these type of customers.  Make them feel like a low class of street walkers.  They hate to describe what they do.   But, when they do describe, gaijins want the service for the less money.  Gaijins love money.  So much so that, even while making love, they are counting pennies.</p>
<p>Eastern minds have difficult understanding this calculating side of Western logic.</p>
<p>Even during a wild party, westerners are wondering if some cups are recyclable.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 05:35:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"It could be just a simple bath house. Nothing more."

I think not.  This place is dodgy.  Look at the outside decor, and look at the prices - $100 and up - and how they climb thoughout the day.  There are hostess places ("pink rooms" maybe?) all over Japan with roughly the same design and "beat the clock" rates.  (According to my friend in Kyoto, some of the more enlightened establishments will accept foreigners, especially in the mornings and early afternoons.)  And, in addition to a cold Asahi or Sapporo, a blowjob or handjob is exactly what you can expect to receive at your table.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It could be just a simple bath house. Nothing more.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think not.  This place is dodgy.  Look at the outside decor, and look at the prices - $100 and up - and how they climb thoughout the day.  There are hostess places (&#8221;pink rooms&#8221; maybe?) all over Japan with roughly the same design and &#8220;beat the clock&#8221; rates.  (According to my friend in Kyoto, some of the more enlightened establishments will accept foreigners, especially in the mornings and early afternoons.)  And, in addition to a cold Asahi or Sapporo, a blowjob or handjob is exactly what you can expect to receive at your table.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 04:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Blowjob is kynky.

Handjob is kynky.

The Japanese do not do those things.

Since this Soap House does not allow straight sex and the Japanese do not do kynky stuff, what do they actually do for 40 minutes?

Maybe I was right.  The Japanese just take bath while these women just carry soaps and towels and measure the temperature of water.

Since no Gaijin has entered this exclusive Japanese cultural centers, we may have WRONG idea about the place.

It could be just a simple bath house.  Nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Blowjob is kynky.</p>
<p>Handjob is kynky.</p>
<p>The Japanese do not do those things.</p>
<p>Since this Soap House does not allow straight sex and the Japanese do not do kynky stuff, what do they actually do for 40 minutes?</p>
<p>Maybe I was right.  The Japanese just take bath while these women just carry soaps and towels and measure the temperature of water.</p>
<p>Since no Gaijin has entered this exclusive Japanese cultural centers, we may have WRONG idea about the place.</p>
<p>It could be just a simple bath house.  Nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 03:30:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"The house offers a variety of sexual services except intercourse.
Anything you want is negotiable with a girl, which therefore requires
the language skill. Many foreigners demand intercourse or kinky services.
That is why they refuse foreigners with poor language skills.
If you speak Japanese natively, they may accept black or white."

Why don't they have 'Blowjobs and Hanjobs Only' signs instead of a 'Japanese Only' ones?  It's not as if what goes on behind their doors is well-kept secret?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The house offers a variety of sexual services except intercourse.<br />
Anything you want is negotiable with a girl, which therefore requires<br />
the language skill. Many foreigners demand intercourse or kinky services.<br />
That is why they refuse foreigners with poor language skills.<br />
If you speak Japanese natively, they may accept black or white.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t they have &#8216;Blowjobs and Hanjobs Only&#8217; signs instead of a &#8216;Japanese Only&#8217; ones?  It&#8217;s not as if what goes on behind their doors is well-kept secret?</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;That’s classic. All the more so since one of the groups at the forefront of a lot of these legal challenges in Japan are the zainichi Koreans.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Indeed, Japanese who look down on gaijin tend to despise gaikokujin like Koreans even more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>That’s classic. All the more so since one of the groups at the forefront of a lot of these legal challenges in Japan are the zainichi Koreans.</p></blockquote>
<p>Indeed, Japanese who look down on gaijin tend to despise gaikokujin like Koreans even more.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 02:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Girls are more of annoyance and some men just tell them to leave but some girls refuse so men have to pull their panties off and slap their behinds till they behave ^^."

Excellent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Girls are more of annoyance and some men just tell them to leave but some girls refuse so men have to pull their panties off and slap their behinds till they behave ^^.&#8221;</p>
<p>Excellent!</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
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		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:30:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think some men go there to take a bath.  They may not have a good bath tub at their apartments.  You know how small Japanese apartments are.  

Girls are more of annoyance and some men just tell them to leave but some girls refuse so men have to pull their panties off and slap their behinds till they behave ^^.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think some men go there to take a bath.  They may not have a good bath tub at their apartments.  You know how small Japanese apartments are.  </p>
<p>Girls are more of annoyance and some men just tell them to leave but some girls refuse so men have to pull their panties off and slap their behinds till they behave ^^.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Koehler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Koehler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 01:07:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Japan is not a multicultural nation, nor do they want to be. Equal rights exists in America because people fought for and America was their home. The battlegrounds for rights were in the churches, schools, prisons,the trial courts. What is your battleground for rights in Japan? Soapy massage joints? Give me a huge frickin break. Furthermore, I venture forth that expats do not deserve equal rights in Japan because expats are for the most part misfit wanderers with a nihilistic outlook on life. Japan is not their home and they do not have a stake in the future destiny of their host nation.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That's classic. All the more so since one of the groups at the forefront of a lot of these legal challenges in Japan are the zainichi Koreans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Japan is not a multicultural nation, nor do they want to be. Equal rights exists in America because people fought for and America was their home. The battlegrounds for rights were in the churches, schools, prisons,the trial courts. What is your battleground for rights in Japan? Soapy massage joints? Give me a huge frickin break. Furthermore, I venture forth that expats do not deserve equal rights in Japan because expats are for the most part misfit wanderers with a nihilistic outlook on life. Japan is not their home and they do not have a stake in the future destiny of their host nation.</p></blockquote>
<p>That&#8217;s classic. All the more so since one of the groups at the forefront of a lot of these legal challenges in Japan are the zainichi Koreans.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
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		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:46:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"First of all, the Japanese consider gaijin as barbarians." 

Some do, but not all.  So do some Koreans or Thais.  But not all.

"Also whining about “racial discrimination” about something that’s in a legal gray zone is ridiculous. I’d reckon prostitution is not exactly recognized by the law in Japan. I’m not Japanese and I find it terribly annoying, just as you find minorities who always play “the race card” back home terribly annoying also."

It isn't just prostitution where descrimination against minorities occurs in Japan.  It can involve trying to get a haircut, have a drink, or go to a public bath, but being refused service.  Some minorities are playing "the race card" as you call it because they are actually victims of racism and don't feel they should accept it with a shrug or a smile.

"The battlegrounds for rights were in the churches, schools, prisons,the trial courts."

And buses, and restaurants, and theaters...

"Furthermore, I venture forth that expats do not deserve equal rights in Japan because expats are for the most part misfit wanderers with a nihilistic outlook on life."

So it is alright to punish all expats on the basis of your flawed and prejudicial generalization?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First of all, the Japanese consider gaijin as barbarians.&#8221; </p>
<p>Some do, but not all.  So do some Koreans or Thais.  But not all.</p>
<p>&#8220;Also whining about “racial discrimination” about something that’s in a legal gray zone is ridiculous. I’d reckon prostitution is not exactly recognized by the law in Japan. I’m not Japanese and I find it terribly annoying, just as you find minorities who always play “the race card” back home terribly annoying also.&#8221;</p>
<p>It isn&#8217;t just prostitution where descrimination against minorities occurs in Japan.  It can involve trying to get a haircut, have a drink, or go to a public bath, but being refused service.  Some minorities are playing &#8220;the race card&#8221; as you call it because they are actually victims of racism and don&#8217;t feel they should accept it with a shrug or a smile.</p>
<p>&#8220;The battlegrounds for rights were in the churches, schools, prisons,the trial courts.&#8221;</p>
<p>And buses, and restaurants, and theaters&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Furthermore, I venture forth that expats do not deserve equal rights in Japan because expats are for the most part misfit wanderers with a nihilistic outlook on life.&#8221;</p>
<p>So it is alright to punish all expats on the basis of your flawed and prejudicial generalization?</p>
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