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	<title>Comments on: Driver&#8217;s Licences for Illegal Immigrants?</title>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/drivers-licences-for-illegal-immigrants/#comment-116153</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Nov 2007 03:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21,
Good idea.

Saves you time to do more productive work, saves them money, and puts your name out there for those who really need your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21,<br />
Good idea.</p>
<p>Saves you time to do more productive work, saves them money, and puts your name out there for those who really need your help.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/drivers-licences-for-illegal-immigrants/#comment-116131</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I can’t believe you showed me a way not to use the services of a lawyer !&lt;/blockquote&gt;(American) lawyers, believe it or not, usually prefer an informed client to an ignorant one. The authors of the &lt;a href="http://www.nolopress.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Nolo Press&lt;/a&gt; series of how-to books on law are all lawyers.

Let me give you a tip why: There are a million books in the library on how to fix your toilet. Usually, though, when you have a substantially blocked-up toilet, instead of a mild stoppage, you'll call a plumber because it's beyond your capabilities. The books help you recognize when that's the case.

That's what I'm trying to do with &lt;a href="http://www.korealawblog.com/" rel="nofollow"&gt;Korea Law Blog&lt;/a&gt; -- provide access to information about Korean legal topics and inform the body of prospective clients.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I can’t believe you showed me a way not to use the services of a lawyer !</p></blockquote>
<p>(American) lawyers, believe it or not, usually prefer an informed client to an ignorant one. The authors of the <a href="http://www.nolopress.com/" rel="nofollow">Nolo Press</a> series of how-to books on law are all lawyers.</p>
<p>Let me give you a tip why: There are a million books in the library on how to fix your toilet. Usually, though, when you have a substantially blocked-up toilet, instead of a mild stoppage, you&#8217;ll call a plumber because it&#8217;s beyond your capabilities. The books help you recognize when that&#8217;s the case.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s what I&#8217;m trying to do with <a href="http://www.korealawblog.com/" rel="nofollow">Korea Law Blog</a> &#8212; provide access to information about Korean legal topics and inform the body of prospective clients.</p>
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		<title>By: globalvillageidiot</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/drivers-licences-for-illegal-immigrants/#comment-116130</link>
		<dc:creator>globalvillageidiot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 23:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Good point. I’ve got an F visa, so I guess I’m permitted to protest. But, I wonder what would happen if started challenging the status quo in the streets? Could I be deported or thrown in jail for pointing out that this country risks going hell in a hand basket thanks its government and the ‘chaebols’ who control it?"

I was thinking much the same thing the other day.  My guess is that those of us with F visas who got into trouble would get to go to jail, instead of being deported as likely would have been the case with an E visa.  Cool, eh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Good point. I’ve got an F visa, so I guess I’m permitted to protest. But, I wonder what would happen if started challenging the status quo in the streets? Could I be deported or thrown in jail for pointing out that this country risks going hell in a hand basket thanks its government and the ‘chaebols’ who control it?&#8221;</p>
<p>I was thinking much the same thing the other day.  My guess is that those of us with F visas who got into trouble would get to go to jail, instead of being deported as likely would have been the case with an E visa.  Cool, eh?</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/drivers-licences-for-illegal-immigrants/#comment-116127</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>""I don't think it is a privilege any more than buying a MetroCard is a privilege," Spitzer said on New York 1 News of his three-tiered license plan. "When we walk down into the subway system to buy a MetroCard, no one says, 'Prove you are a citizen'; no one says, 'Where did you grow up?'""

 A driver's license isn't a privilege?  Does that mean that divers' licenses can't be suspended anymore?  I'm sure that there's an awful lot of alcoholics who would be happy to hear that.  

Besides, just because some people have been able to cheat the system doesn't mean that restrictions should be removed. You would think that the logical solution would to make it harder for illegals to get drivers' licenses.


"While I’d never debate the right of a lawfully-immigrated Korean to protest in a Western country, you can’t help but note the irony when it’s a condition of some of our visas here that we don’t take part in political activities nor highlight Korea in a negative light."

Good point.  I've got an F visa, so I guess I'm permitted to protest.  But, I wonder what would happen if started challenging the status quo in the streets?  Could I be deported or thrown in jail for pointing out that this country risks going hell in a hand basket thanks its government and the 'chaebols' who control it?  Probably not, but I wouldn't doubt my friends and employer will be harassed until they distance themselves from me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8221;I don&#8217;t think it is a privilege any more than buying a MetroCard is a privilege,&#8221; Spitzer said on New York 1 News of his three-tiered license plan. &#8220;When we walk down into the subway system to buy a MetroCard, no one says, &#8216;Prove you are a citizen&#8217;; no one says, &#8216;Where did you grow up?&#8217;&#8221;"</p>
<p> A driver&#8217;s license isn&#8217;t a privilege?  Does that mean that divers&#8217; licenses can&#8217;t be suspended anymore?  I&#8217;m sure that there&#8217;s an awful lot of alcoholics who would be happy to hear that.  </p>
<p>Besides, just because some people have been able to cheat the system doesn&#8217;t mean that restrictions should be removed. You would think that the logical solution would to make it harder for illegals to get drivers&#8217; licenses.</p>
<p>&#8220;While I’d never debate the right of a lawfully-immigrated Korean to protest in a Western country, you can’t help but note the irony when it’s a condition of some of our visas here that we don’t take part in political activities nor highlight Korea in a negative light.&#8221;</p>
<p>Good point.  I&#8217;ve got an F visa, so I guess I&#8217;m permitted to protest.  But, I wonder what would happen if started challenging the status quo in the streets?  Could I be deported or thrown in jail for pointing out that this country risks going hell in a hand basket thanks its government and the &#8216;chaebols&#8217; who control it?  Probably not, but I wouldn&#8217;t doubt my friends and employer will be harassed until they distance themselves from me.</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 22:36:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thanks for the info, Mr. Carr.

I can't believe you showed me a way not to use the services of a lawyer !

I'd probably use one anyway, though.  If I needed one.
Lawyers probably hate that guy.

The thing is, that seems to be the favorite quip of attendings during down time.  Especially so in OB-gyne.  That's where I get all my unconfirmeds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thanks for the info, Mr. Carr.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t believe you showed me a way not to use the services of a lawyer !</p>
<p>I&#8217;d probably use one anyway, though.  If I needed one.<br />
Lawyers probably hate that guy.</p>
<p>The thing is, that seems to be the favorite quip of attendings during down time.  Especially so in OB-gyne.  That&#8217;s where I get all my unconfirmeds.</p>
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		<title>By: pawikirogi</title>
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		<dc:creator>pawikirogi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 05:34:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>'You are presumptuous; a bigot; the mirror image of exactly what you hate.' capt bbq

wow, you're pretty insightful; but not insightful enough. 

'You are a clown that makes me laugh.' capt bbq

that's a lie. you know it and i know it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;You are presumptuous; a bigot; the mirror image of exactly what you hate.&#8217; capt bbq</p>
<p>wow, you&#8217;re pretty insightful; but not insightful enough. </p>
<p>&#8216;You are a clown that makes me laugh.&#8217; capt bbq</p>
<p>that&#8217;s a lie. you know it and i know it.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/drivers-licences-for-illegal-immigrants/#comment-116065</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 02:01:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;these damn lawyers should at least be required to understand economics to make laws.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's a deal. But I'd like to ask that you understand the basic framework of the legal system, or at least some of the facts available to you, before denouncing lawyers.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Prior to Ronald Reagan, I heard an undocumented claim that a person could be taxed up to 75% of his earnings, if he didn’t bother to consult with his CPA on how to legally cheat on his taxes.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

"Legally cheat on his taxes" means take benefits available to him under the law.

I wonder why it is that you persist in reliance upon rumor from dubious sources to draw your conclusions about law. All of it is, of course, available for you to read directly. There are lawyers making $15 an hour -- ask one of them. Or go to the bookstore and buy a Nolo Press book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>these damn lawyers should at least be required to understand economics to make laws.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s a deal. But I&#8217;d like to ask that you understand the basic framework of the legal system, or at least some of the facts available to you, before denouncing lawyers.</p>
<blockquote><p>Prior to Ronald Reagan, I heard an undocumented claim that a person could be taxed up to 75% of his earnings, if he didn’t bother to consult with his CPA on how to legally cheat on his taxes.</p></blockquote>
<p>&#8220;Legally cheat on his taxes&#8221; means take benefits available to him under the law.</p>
<p>I wonder why it is that you persist in reliance upon rumor from dubious sources to draw your conclusions about law. All of it is, of course, available for you to read directly. There are lawyers making $15 an hour &#8212; ask one of them. Or go to the bookstore and buy a Nolo Press book.</p>
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		<title>By: captbbq</title>
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		<dc:creator>captbbq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Nov 2007 01:00:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pawi,

Oh I understand what you said. And so did Aaronm when he responded. He addressed the issue you brought up, while I addressed the fact that the issue you brought up was accusatory and in effect putting words in someone else's mouth.

The problem is you don't understand what Robert, myself, or anyone else for that matter, says. Instead you like to inflate what other people say with whatever stereotypical meaning you expect them to have.

You are presumptuous; a bigot; the mirror image of exactly what you hate. You are a clown that makes me laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pawi,</p>
<p>Oh I understand what you said. And so did Aaronm when he responded. He addressed the issue you brought up, while I addressed the fact that the issue you brought up was accusatory and in effect putting words in someone else&#8217;s mouth.</p>
<p>The problem is you don&#8217;t understand what Robert, myself, or anyone else for that matter, says. Instead you like to inflate what other people say with whatever stereotypical meaning you expect them to have.</p>
<p>You are presumptuous; a bigot; the mirror image of exactly what you hate. You are a clown that makes me laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/drivers-licences-for-illegal-immigrants/#comment-116051</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oops, that's hypocrisy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oops, that&#8217;s hypocrisy.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/11/01/drivers-licences-for-illegal-immigrants/#comment-116050</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Nov 2007 22:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;To me it seems the height of hypocrasy to want to limit illegal immigrants rights but be quite happy to benefit from their cheap labour.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No overt hypocrisy. Businesses oppose crackdowns and any attempts to require verification of social security numbers. Save for a few like myself who actually buy nearly everything we eat from local farmers and almost never eat out, most Americans benefit tremendously from cheap, illegal labor in the fields and slaughterhouses. Many of the chain restaurants in my town staff their kitchens with unauthorized workers. I read somewhere that we pay about 11% of our income on food compared to 18% for France or Italy. If you are in America, look around you and see the consequences of our cheap food supply.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>To me it seems the height of hypocrasy to want to limit illegal immigrants rights but be quite happy to benefit from their cheap labour.</p></blockquote>
<p>No overt hypocrisy. Businesses oppose crackdowns and any attempts to require verification of social security numbers. Save for a few like myself who actually buy nearly everything we eat from local farmers and almost never eat out, most Americans benefit tremendously from cheap, illegal labor in the fields and slaughterhouses. Many of the chain restaurants in my town staff their kitchens with unauthorized workers. I read somewhere that we pay about 11% of our income on food compared to 18% for France or Italy. If you are in America, look around you and see the consequences of our cheap food supply.</p>
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