Comments on: No Jobs for Ex-Cons http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/ Korea... in Blog Format Mon, 8 Sep 2008 04:48:36 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.1 By: tpiv http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-148235 tpiv Fri, 18 Apr 2008 16:04:42 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-148235 It's been my dream for years to teach English in Korea, I'm just waiting for my passport to start the process. My only concern is that I got a 1st offense misdemeanor DUI (alcohol) in college. Will this bar my potential employment, and where would I go to find out for certain. It’s been my dream for years to teach English in Korea, I’m just waiting for my passport to start the process. My only concern is that I got a 1st offense misdemeanor DUI (alcohol) in college. Will this bar my potential employment, and where would I go to find out for certain.

]]> By: tbonetylr http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115898 tbonetylr Wed, 31 Oct 2007 06:37:52 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115898 Until the employers learn and follow the laws here, things won't get better. The Justice and Immigration Ministries can have us jump through more hoops but that will have consequences. The employers need to learn about/how to follow the labor laws. Stricter punishments for the employer won't do anything because they are rarely held accountable anyway(by the Justice/Immigration Ministries). #17 So, you can worry about the employer if you want. We know, you don't defend employees. Who and what did you mean by uppity? Foreign Teachers aren't uppity are they? If an uppity person/employee is a victim then they shouldn't expect justice? Brendon Carr Dictionary... Uppity: Foreign Teacher/employee filing a claim against one of his employer clients. Until the employers learn and follow the laws here, things won’t
get better. The Justice and Immigration Ministries can have us jump
through more hoops but that will have consequences. The employers
need to learn about/how to follow the labor laws. Stricter punishments
for the employer won’t do anything because they are rarely held accountable anyway(by the Justice/Immigration Ministries).

#17 So, you can worry about the employer if you want. We know, you don’t defend employees. Who and what did you mean by uppity? Foreign Teachers aren’t uppity are they? If an uppity person/employee is a victim then they shouldn’t expect justice?

Brendon Carr Dictionary… Uppity: Foreign Teacher/employee filing a claim against one of his employer clients.

]]> By: Breaktrack http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115844 Breaktrack Tue, 30 Oct 2007 22:53:22 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115844 As long as they apply these rules to all people and not just those applying for teaching visas, I have no problem with such legislation. Of course, Korea being the kind of place it is, such legislation will probably only apply, or be enforced in regards to white males. That's usually the group Koreans target when they talk about evil foreign English teachers, even if they don't say so. I can't see, for example, Korean-Americans or attractive females having many problems, but who knows. As long as they apply these rules to all people and not just those applying for teaching visas, I have no problem with such legislation. Of course, Korea being the kind of place it is, such legislation will probably only apply, or be enforced in regards to white males. That’s usually the group Koreans target when they talk about evil foreign English teachers, even if they don’t say so. I can’t see, for example, Korean-Americans or attractive females having many problems, but who knows.

]]> By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115830 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) Tue, 30 Oct 2007 14:25:17 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115830 Interestingly, the new Anti-Discrimination Act, if/when it's passed, will prohibit private employers from discriminating against people on the basis of -- among other things -- nationality <b>and</b> criminal record or history of institutionalization. I know, because I'm finalizing a translation of the draft Act now. So it's lucky the government is mandating such discrimination on the immigration side lest some uppity foreigner claim against a responsible employer. Interestingly, the new Anti-Discrimination Act, if/when it’s passed, will prohibit private employers from discriminating against people on the basis of — among other things — nationality and criminal record or history of institutionalization. I know, because I’m finalizing a translation of the draft Act now.

So it’s lucky the government is mandating such discrimination on the immigration side lest some uppity foreigner claim against a responsible employer.

]]> By: SomeguyinKorea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115823 SomeguyinKorea Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:11:41 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115823 I imagine this thread would have had more replies if it was titled 'No jobs for Neo-cons'. I imagine this thread would have had more replies if it was titled ‘No jobs for Neo-cons’.

]]> By: yeolchae http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115821 yeolchae Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:01:26 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115821 I think that the main outcome of this change is that schools in the less desirable areas of Korea will find it much harder to recruit teachers. They used to depend on being able to hire waygooks with no knowledge of Korea who decided to go there on a whim but now they will be put off by the bureaucracy I think that the main outcome of this change is that schools in the less desirable areas of Korea will find it much harder to recruit teachers. They used to depend on being able to hire waygooks with no knowledge of Korea who decided to go there on a whim but now they will be put off by the bureaucracy

]]> By: EFL Geek: ESL &amp; EFL in Korea http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115797 EFL Geek: ESL &amp; EFL in Korea Tue, 30 Oct 2007 05:33:55 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115797 <strong>Criminal Record Check Required...</strong> Starting December 1st new E2 visa (teaching visa) applicants will be required to submit a criminal record check. See IHT and Korea Timesone two for articles. The news actually came up over the weekend but due to being at the conference and other factor... Criminal Record Check Required…

Starting December 1st new E2 visa (teaching visa) applicants will be required to submit a criminal record check. See IHT and Korea Timesone two for articles. The news actually came up over the weekend but due to being at the conference and other factor…

]]> By: tz247 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115789 tz247 Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:52:04 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115789 They don't prosecute Canadians for minor drug offenses anymore. You have to be dealing large amounts drugs to minors in Vancouver before the cops even start to look at you and even then, if it's a first offense, it's just a slap on the wrist-- usually an absolute or conditional discharge which, when the conditions are met (usually probation), are expunged from your criminal record after 7 years. With so many Vancouverites getting stopped at the US-Canada border because of the US Zero tolerance policy, It was affecting the border towns economy and thus policy was changed way back in the 90's. Not only is there a 6 month back-log to get a criminal record check from the RCMP, but you also have to do it in person (I had to be bonded for a job in Canada once). What if you are already in Korea? Getting a criminal record check would be impossible. Since only the police and you have access to it. There is a certain irony (and a telling tale about the illogical mind of the government-- Korean or otherwise) that the person responsible for this panic in Korea would have still been allowed entry to Korea since he didn't have a criminal record and was way more qualified as a teacher then 99% of those who call themselves teachers here. They don’t prosecute Canadians for minor drug offenses anymore. You have to be dealing large amounts drugs to minors in Vancouver before the cops even start to look at you and even then, if it’s a first offense, it’s just a slap on the wrist– usually an absolute or conditional discharge which, when the conditions are met (usually probation), are expunged from your criminal record after 7 years. With so many Vancouverites getting stopped at the US-Canada border because of the US Zero tolerance policy, It was affecting the border towns economy and thus policy was changed way back in the 90’s.

Not only is there a 6 month back-log to get a criminal record check from the RCMP, but you also have to do it in person (I had to be bonded for a job in Canada once). What if you are already in Korea? Getting a criminal record check would be impossible. Since only the police and you have access to it.

There is a certain irony (and a telling tale about the illogical mind of the government– Korean or otherwise) that the person responsible for this panic in Korea would have still been allowed entry to Korea since he didn’t have a criminal record and was way more qualified as a teacher then 99% of those who call themselves teachers here.

]]> By: Robert Koehler http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115787 Robert Koehler Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:48:28 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115787 <blockquote>I just love the part about the two alcoholics being blacklisted. God forbid they apply that rule to the rest of the workforce…</blockquote> What I just love is that the blacklist has lasted as long as it has without someone suing the KFTRA.

I just love the part about the two alcoholics being blacklisted. God forbid they apply that rule to the rest of the workforce…

What I just love is that the blacklist has lasted as long as it has without someone suing the KFTRA.

]]> By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115785 Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog) Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:33:03 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/no-jobs-for-ex-cons/#comment-115785 Korea does have the right to blacklist people for whatever reason they want. The United States asks visa applicants whether they are Communists, have been convicted of a violent crime, or have worked as prostitutes. Korea gets to set its own standards -- and drug conviction in the past usually points to the likelihood of future entanglement. Those people never learn. Korea does have the right to blacklist people for whatever reason they want. The United States asks visa applicants whether they are Communists, have been convicted of a violent crime, or have worked as prostitutes. Korea gets to set its own standards — and drug conviction in the past usually points to the likelihood of future entanglement. Those people never learn.

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