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	<title>Comments on: FM Song : USFK to Stay after Peace Pact</title>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/fm-song-usfk-to-stay-after-peace-pact/#comment-115948</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Koreans generally loathe America (but want the full-access pass to America’s wealth and freedom), while Americans — sorry to say — are indifferent to Korea. This is a not a deep friendship, and once the “common enemy” is gone, annyeong.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The word "loathe" is a too strong to describe the general sentiment, which is more a contradictory and complicated mixture of resentment, envy, and condescension tempered with admiration for our technological achievements and SOME cultural traits like adaptibility and tolerance.  I agree with your point that the military alliance is a temporary marriage of convenience not grounded in profound cultural or historical ties like our special relationship with Britain.  I'm almost hoping that Chung Dumb-young gets into office.  Maybe another five years of leftist idiocy will sink the listing ship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Koreans generally loathe America (but want the full-access pass to America’s wealth and freedom), while Americans — sorry to say — are indifferent to Korea. This is a not a deep friendship, and once the “common enemy” is gone, annyeong.</p></blockquote>
<p>The word &#8220;loathe&#8221; is a too strong to describe the general sentiment, which is more a contradictory and complicated mixture of resentment, envy, and condescension tempered with admiration for our technological achievements and SOME cultural traits like adaptibility and tolerance.  I agree with your point that the military alliance is a temporary marriage of convenience not grounded in profound cultural or historical ties like our special relationship with Britain.  I&#8217;m almost hoping that Chung Dumb-young gets into office.  Maybe another five years of leftist idiocy will sink the listing ship.</p>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/fm-song-usfk-to-stay-after-peace-pact/#comment-115945</link>
		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe you're referring to Hillary's "historical amnesia" comment:

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510260015.html

She later backed off from it a bit:

http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510300013.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe you&#8217;re referring to Hillary&#8217;s &#8220;historical amnesia&#8221; comment:</p>
<p><a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510260015.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....60015.html</a></p>
<p>She later backed off from it a bit:</p>
<p><a href="http://english.chosun.com/w21data/html/news/200510/200510300013.html" rel="nofollow">http://english.chosun.com/w21d.....00013.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/fm-song-usfk-to-stay-after-peace-pact/#comment-115944</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 22:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow up on my #11, I would say that IMO it's most likely that any further withdrawal of US forces from Korea would be regarded by a President Hillary Clinton as "cowboy diplomacy".  

Thus, if you are a US voter and you want the status quo with USFK in Korea to continue, you should support Hillary.  A Giuliani or a McCain would focus like a laser on the inherent contradictions of the US spending billions and tying up significant numbers of its forces while the ROK keeps expanding its subsidy of the North.   

Reason for leaving them there: Democrats are sensitive to perceptions of their being "weak" on national defense, so leaving forces in Korea would be a logical way to avoid this, especially if US is withdrawing rapidly from Iraq in a possible Clinton administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow up on my #11, I would say that IMO it&#8217;s most likely that any further withdrawal of US forces from Korea would be regarded by a President Hillary Clinton as &#8220;cowboy diplomacy&#8221;.  </p>
<p>Thus, if you are a US voter and you want the status quo with USFK in Korea to continue, you should support Hillary.  A Giuliani or a McCain would focus like a laser on the inherent contradictions of the US spending billions and tying up significant numbers of its forces while the ROK keeps expanding its subsidy of the North.   </p>
<p>Reason for leaving them there: Democrats are sensitive to perceptions of their being &#8220;weak&#8221; on national defense, so leaving forces in Korea would be a logical way to avoid this, especially if US is withdrawing rapidly from Iraq in a possible Clinton administration.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/fm-song-usfk-to-stay-after-peace-pact/#comment-115941</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:28:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Snow, here's a quote from Hillary.  It's indirect, quoted in a NYTImes story about Giuliani attacking her, but I assume it could be found elswhere; I've seen other references to Hillary using a similar line in her speeches.

"Clinton has told crowds she would send 'distinguished Americans of both political parties to travel around the world on my behalf with a very simple message to the governments and the people alike: The era of cowboy diplomacy is over.'"

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Giuliani.html?_r=1&#38;oref=slogin

(posting now, before my slow computer crashes again...)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Snow, here&#8217;s a quote from Hillary.  It&#8217;s indirect, quoted in a NYTImes story about Giuliani attacking her, but I assume it could be found elswhere; I&#8217;ve seen other references to Hillary using a similar line in her speeches.</p>
<p>&#8220;Clinton has told crowds she would send &#8216;distinguished Americans of both political parties to travel around the world on my behalf with a very simple message to the governments and the people alike: The era of cowboy diplomacy is over.&#8217;&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/us/AP-Giuliani.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/aponlin.....ref=slogin</a></p>
<p>(posting now, before my slow computer crashes again&#8230;)</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paul H., sorry, I don't have a link. A Democrat friend said something like this to me about Hillary being critical of South Korean ingratitude. Didn't she say something about this at one point? Anyway, he was trying to console me by pointing out that Hillary might not be so bad and may not be all that sympathetic to the leftist KJI butt-kissers in Korea. But knowing that Hillary is the type to say whatever will get her elected, who knows what she would be like in her dealings with Korea. I can only hope she wouldn't stand for it. Then again, it would just be better all round if Rudy got in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul H., sorry, I don&#8217;t have a link. A Democrat friend said something like this to me about Hillary being critical of South Korean ingratitude. Didn&#8217;t she say something about this at one point? Anyway, he was trying to console me by pointing out that Hillary might not be so bad and may not be all that sympathetic to the leftist KJI butt-kissers in Korea. But knowing that Hillary is the type to say whatever will get her elected, who knows what she would be like in her dealings with Korea. I can only hope she wouldn&#8217;t stand for it. Then again, it would just be better all round if Rudy got in.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr (Korea Law Blog)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 04:52:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't think you're lying, Baduk. But I don't believe you are "plugged in" to the Korean zeitgeist anymore. And I think you're projecting &lt;i&gt;minjok&lt;/i&gt;-centered thinking onto me -- after all, you grew up soaking in it, and I did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re lying, Baduk. But I don&#8217;t believe you are &#8220;plugged in&#8221; to the Korean zeitgeist anymore. And I think you&#8217;re projecting <i>minjok</i>-centered thinking onto me &#8212; after all, you grew up soaking in it, and I did not.</p>
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		<title>By: baduk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/fm-song-usfk-to-stay-after-peace-pact/#comment-115764</link>
		<dc:creator>baduk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 03:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brendon Carr,

Koreans generally like America and Americans.  I am not lying.  

Your xenophobia forces you to think the way you do.

Even if you go and live in South America, India, Africa or what have you, you will feel that locals hate you.

You are not good at befriending people who look different from you.  Don't blame Koreans.  Maybe you have contempts for non-Whites.  

Learn.  People are same inside.

About the US forces, I agree with you.  Army will be gone right away.  And, AirForce will follow soon enough.

Korean Peace Treaty will work for Korea just like the Paris Peace Talk did for VietNam.  Korea is over.  People you hate will die. 

Are you happy?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brendon Carr,</p>
<p>Koreans generally like America and Americans.  I am not lying.  </p>
<p>Your xenophobia forces you to think the way you do.</p>
<p>Even if you go and live in South America, India, Africa or what have you, you will feel that locals hate you.</p>
<p>You are not good at befriending people who look different from you.  Don&#8217;t blame Koreans.  Maybe you have contempts for non-Whites.  </p>
<p>Learn.  People are same inside.</p>
<p>About the US forces, I agree with you.  Army will be gone right away.  And, AirForce will follow soon enough.</p>
<p>Korean Peace Treaty will work for Korea just like the Paris Peace Talk did for VietNam.  Korea is over.  People you hate will die. </p>
<p>Are you happy?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/29/fm-song-usfk-to-stay-after-peace-pact/#comment-115684</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...I hear that even Hillary isn’t happy with the ingratitude shown here towards the US."

Really?  I'd welcome a link; if you can't recall specificially, any sort of hint you could provide as to where you might have seen it would be appreciated and I'll see if I can find it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I hear that even Hillary isn’t happy with the ingratitude shown here towards the US.&#8221;</p>
<p>Really?  I&#8217;d welcome a link; if you can&#8217;t recall specificially, any sort of hint you could provide as to where you might have seen it would be appreciated and I&#8217;ll see if I can find it.</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
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		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 18:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"as long as we are welcome and wanted"

Well, I notice that Bell covered his butt nicely with this comment. Isn't this what Rumsfeld said, too, and we've seen a reduction by about 25%? Depending on who is leading the US at the time, Korea may very well see a serious downgrade of the alliance as I hear that even Hillary isn't happy with the ingratitude shown here towards the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;as long as we are welcome and wanted&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, I notice that Bell covered his butt nicely with this comment. Isn&#8217;t this what Rumsfeld said, too, and we&#8217;ve seen a reduction by about 25%? Depending on who is leading the US at the time, Korea may very well see a serious downgrade of the alliance as I hear that even Hillary isn&#8217;t happy with the ingratitude shown here towards the US.</p>
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		<title>By: whitey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whitey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 07:01:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the new avatar, Mr. Blogger.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the new avatar, Mr. Blogger.</p>
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