Two ISIS experts have studied satellite imagery of the Syrian installation that was hit by the Israelis. Their conclusion is that it looks similar to the NK reactor building in Yongbyon. Here’s the imagery.

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Two ISIS experts have studied satellite imagery of the Syrian installation that was hit by the Israelis. Their conclusion is that it looks similar to the NK reactor building in Yongbyon. Here’s the imagery.

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I think they need to release more convincing pictures than that. Just because it’s shows that it’s located nearby water and it has trucks parked around it doesn’t make it a nuclear power station. It could have been a fish processing plant for all we know.
Syria is a Baathist-party ruled Arab state just like Saddam’s Iraq. The operative story to disparage the allegation is to say “it could have been a baby food factory for all we know”.
And the operative story for bombing Arab countries is accusing them of making ‘weapons of mass destruction’, so what’s your point?
Simply, I would have liked to see clearer evidence. It’s not as any of us doubt that spy satellites can zoom in close enough to count the number of fillings in your teeth or count the change in your pockets.
I think a concensus of experts will just agree that it looks like a bare bones, primitive nuclear reactor site, which is what it certainly shares with the North Korean location. Other then that, I have to agree with the guy at globalsecurity.org and say that the photos don’t really prove anything.
I think they’re building an Ikea.
Okie, this is what I see. A military / industrial installation that is NOT a factory. Close to a source of water and it has its own water pump (i.e. nuclear reactors need lots of water). One big stoutly built square building (to house the reactor?) surrounded by less stout and lighter buildings (for personnel, research labs, etc?). It’s not connected to a power grid. So a possible nuclear reactor not connected to a power grid… hummm….. Why would you want a nuclear reactor NOT connected to a power grid??? OOooohhh….
But then again, where are the SAM sites? Shouldn’t a high value target like this be ringed with SAM and radar installations?
I don’t know… then again, I have pictures of Mars that shows a face I swear to God! Only $10 bucks… any takers?
Somewhere on US cable TV news I heard (maybe yesterday Wed US time, or maybe it was Tues) that commercial satellite operators are scrambling to take fresh pictures of this site, to see what’s going on.
The idea being that there’s a report that the Syrians are busy completely leveling out the site of whatever it was that the Israelis hit (though yesterday a Syrian spokesman was on US TV in English, I think it was PBS news hour, I think it was their UN ambassador or maybe their foreign minister visiting the UN). Anyway — he repeated the official Syrian govt story that the Israeli aircraft were driven off by Syrian air defenses — forced to drop their ordnance and their external fuel tanks and flee from the righteous wrath of the aroused Syrian people.
One of my “points”: if brand new commercial satellite pictures (obtained independently of US, Israeli, or any other govt) show this particular site to be leveled (or in the process of being leveled) — will that suffice as “proof” to you that there was indeed something “sinister” going on there? I really don’t think you’re going to get some sort of “independent” international inspection, if that is going to be your standard.
Mohammed El Baradei, head of the IAEA, has evidently huffed that if the Israelis and/or the US thought there was something there, they should have reported it to him so as to allow his agency to go check it out. I guess that like you, someguy, he considers that the “failure to find WMD” by the US in Iraq after the 2003 invasion, following his agency’s efforts in the late 1990’s and early 2000’s there, completely validates for all time the idea that international “inspections” of thuggish dictatorships (Arab or otherwise) are now the absolute “gold standard” for “proof”.
Which in turn has become a standard “meme” worldwide and in the US, amongst Bush administration critics (sorry Pyotr, where-ever you are). Someguy, you completely choose to overlook (because it doesn’t suit your theme) that the pre-Iraq invasion inspections for WMD’s turned out to be “successful” because they took place under the cover of US aircraft overhead. And that the IAEA (and western intelligence agencies) had earlier completely missed the extent of Saddam’s pre-1991 WMD programs, of which there is extensively documented proof.
If this Syrian site had actually been a “fish-processing” plant, I reckon the Syrians would have had the world press in there by now to document the fact, the same way the Iraqi Press ministry did for targets in Iraq hit by the US bombing in the six week aerial campaign that preceded the Feb 91 coalition ground campaign to retake Kuwait.
By that point worldwide skepticism of Saddam was pretty widespread; I don’t know if we ever did determine what those sites actually were in retrospect. Probably if there was anything sinister there, all evidence of it was removed prior to the foreign journalists visit, just as the Syrians are evidently now busily engaged in erasing all evidence of whatever was at the site the Israelis hit.
My second “point” is to reference that 1991 memory, which maybe you either don’t remember or have chosen to overlook; some of those bombed-out installations were newly labeled with hand-written signs in English proclaiming them “baby milk” or “baby food” factories.I’m personally grateful that the Israelis and the US have so far kept their evidence (and their sources) mum, since I’m naturally disposed to take their word for it as to what was there. But if you want to take a “hard-headed skeptic” approach, why go ahead and feel free to indulge yourself.
Though I’d prefer a little less disingenousness on your part. If you think the Syrians and North Koreans are perfectly entitled to get together and collude on various long-range missile, chemical, and nuclear weapons schemes, why not just say so? After all, it’s not really a “violation” of any sort of international law, if you want to adopt the standard UN outlook that all the nations of the world are morally equivalent “colleagues” in the General Assembly and therefore entitled to total freedom of action under the classical definition of national sovereignty, without any regard as to their previous national patterns of behavior.
Yes, the Isrealis should’ve let the IAEA handle it. Reminds me of this scene:
Kim Jong Il: Hans Brix? Oh no! Oh, herro. Great to see you again, Hans!
Hans Blix: Mr. Il, I was supposed to be allowed to inspect your palace today, but your guards won’t let me enter certain areas.
Kim Jong Il: Hans, Hans, Hans! We’ve been frew this a dozen times. I don’t have any weapons of mass destwuction, OK Hans?
Hans Blix: Then let me look around, so I can ease the UN’s collective mind.
Kim Jong Il: Hans, you’re breakin’ my balls here Hans! You’re breakin’ my balls.
Hans Blix: I’m sorry, but the UN must be firm with you. Let me see your whole palace, or else.
Kim Jong Il: Or else what?
Hans Blix: Or else we will be very, very angry with you… and we will write you a letter, telling you how angry we are.
Paul H, I don’t think someguy has at any point suggested that it is OK for the Syrians and North Koreans to do what you have suggested they are doing. Considering the circumstances that led up to the most recent war in Iraq, he would just like to see a little more proof. Same here. I would not be shocked if there was something to this story – Israeli intel was correct and their actions justified in hitting Iraq’s reactor program in the early 80s – but am not prepared to automatically take the governments of the United States of Israel at their word quite yet.
I agree with you that not all members of the UN should be recognized as truly equal members of the club; many clearly do not merit such recognition. I would argue that this group of international pariahs should include not only the usual favored targets of the American administration, but also such despotic violators of human rights – and occasional exporters of terror – as Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and Pakistan, which as we all know, are (or, are at least supposed to be) allies of the United States. This sort of inconsistency is something that contributes to the erosion of the credibility of American foreign policy and the general international image of the United States. To say the least, this is a highly regrettable situation.
Common Sense Question: If it’s not a reactor, why bomb it?
The Israelis realize that they only have limited political capital, so why would they use it on just an exercise in dick swinging? I don’t particularly like Israel, but they are by so much (I’m American) our best friends over there. (Yes, Virginia. Even more than the Saudis.)
Another commonsense question: If it was a baby milk factory, why would our friends the Norks complain about it the day after the “non attack?”
I guess the thing that pisses me off is that the tempo of our age is conspiratorial. I don’t mind conspiracy theories, but if your default position is conspiracy you need to look long and hard in the mirror and say, “I am a retard.”
10. It could have been something else of a strategic nature they bombed. Or it might have been something they hit on the basis of incomplete/inaccurate intelligence. Maybe it was a reactor. We don’t know.
11. I don’t think the Syrians have claimed it was a baby milk factory. I think that was something the Iraqis liked to claim in 1991.
12. I am also extremely skeptical of conspiracy theories, most of which, IMHO are completely and utterly full of shit. (I especially find the 9/11-related ones to be annoying and in especially bad taste.) However, I think that if one country bombs another, the burden of proof should, at least for the most part, lie with the country that carries out the attack. The lack of info surrounding this event invites conspiracy theories.
# 12, I’m with you. man.
The plot thickens…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7063135.stm
Well, the plot doesn’t thicken really (Syrian government probably wants to hide it from the rest of the world… whatever ‘it’ may be), but I just like saying that.
And all Those In Government are Paragons Of Truth And Credibility.
“And all Those In Government are Paragons Of Truth And Credibility.”
As are most activist groups, which never stoop to lies, exaggeration or distortion to promote their agenda. Hmm, sounds like most governments…
IMHO, this little before and after picture is pretty damning for the Syrians. Skepticism can be healthy but if it smells like and looks like a nuclear reactor, then . . .
I had my skeptic’s hat on when i first read the allegations that DPRK was helping Syrians build a nuke plant.
Hwang Jang Yop over at DailyNK states that he highly doubts Kim Jong Il would help the Syrians on the grounds that he would not do anything that would disadvantage him on the negotiating table against the United States.
Seriously, people need to really consider these defector’s news sources. I know sometimes they talk about the mark of the beast or sometimes they really stretch statistics, but mostly it’s good stuff.
The failure of finding WMD in Iraq is indeed the “gold standard”. People don’t elect presidents to have good reasoning, they elect them to be right all the time.
The bottomline is that it’s in Israel’s best interest to disarm any potential nuclear threats from real threats. If that hostile nation has any sort of “credible” link to DPRK, so much the better. I seem to remember neocons happily bought Chalabiesque stories of Saddam Hussein’s connection to Al Qaeda.
At that time, people thought highly of Chalabi’s credibility too.
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