Comments on: S. Korea’s Effort to Develop a 5th Generation Fighter http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/ Korea... in Blog Format Tue, 2 Dec 2008 03:18:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.3 By: Railwaycharm http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-174222 Railwaycharm Fri, 25 Jul 2008 04:15:25 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-174222 oh well… i guess think of it this way… billions of dollars spent to pay someone over seas…. or billions of dollars of your taxpayers money going back into your country… your choice You can not get offset from your own country. onedumbfuck oh well… i guess think of it this way…
billions of dollars spent to pay someone over seas…. or billions of dollars of your taxpayers money going back into your country…
your choice

You can not get offset from your own country. onedumbfuck

]]> By: Reality Sets in for Korea’s Aerospace Procurement Strategy | The Marmot's Hole http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-173714 Reality Sets in for Korea’s Aerospace Procurement Strategy | The Marmot's Hole Thu, 24 Jul 2008 04:15:11 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-173714 [...] plan is outlined. In the recent past Korea had optimistic plans to develop its own UAVs and 5th generation fighter aircraft (KF-X). After some feasibility studies, it appears reality is setting [...] [...] plan is outlined. In the recent past Korea had optimistic plans to develop its own UAVs and 5th generation fighter aircraft (KF-X). After some feasibility studies, it appears reality is setting [...]

]]> By: useless http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-149209 useless Tue, 22 Apr 2008 14:18:31 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-149209 oh well... i guess think of it this way... billions of dollars spent to pay someone over seas.... or billions of dollars of your taxpayers money going back into your country... your choice oh well… i guess think of it this way…
billions of dollars spent to pay someone over seas…. or billions of dollars of your taxpayers money going back into your country…
your choice

]]> By: virtual wonderer http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-116043 virtual wonderer Thu, 01 Nov 2007 18:49:45 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-116043 well... domestic development will be good for porky politicians. They will undoubtedly use the nationalist card to promote their agenda. US weapons producers will no doubt dangle some attractive technology transfer carrots and some US politicians will be object and thereby make a very powerful marketing poly. In the case of guns versus gochujang, I guess my "korean blood" almost always scream for more gochujang. It's just too much of a risk to spend all that money on a weapons system which is probably not all that useful on political basis and even feasibly useless as it could be strategically/tactically obsolete. even if Korea decides to "go-it-alone" it will be "good" for the world arms industry. In my opinion, they really need to stop shelling cash on more guns. Korea will never be able to "go-it-alone" and achieve true Juche-utopian bliss. Korea needs to save up for the inevitable collapse of DPRK. It needs to bend when needed to achieve international goodwill for that eventuality. That's my two phone calls on a korean public phone booth. well… domestic development will be good for porky politicians. They will undoubtedly use the nationalist card to promote their agenda. US weapons producers will no doubt dangle some attractive technology transfer carrots and some US politicians will be object and thereby make a very powerful marketing poly.

In the case of guns versus gochujang, I guess my “korean blood” almost always scream for more gochujang. It’s just too much of a risk to spend all that money on a weapons system which is probably not all that useful on political basis and even feasibly useless as it could be strategically/tactically obsolete.

even if Korea decides to “go-it-alone” it will be “good” for the world arms industry. In my opinion, they really need to stop shelling cash on more guns. Korea will never be able to “go-it-alone” and achieve true Juche-utopian bliss. Korea needs to save up for the inevitable collapse of DPRK. It needs to bend when needed to achieve international goodwill for that eventuality. That’s my two phone calls on a korean public phone booth.

]]> By: Sambek_ZX http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-115077 Sambek_ZX Thu, 25 Oct 2007 22:16:14 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-115077 I think the Koreans should go ahead and do it. They need all the plane-building experience they can get if they want to maximize their chances for survival in the ever-shifting geopolitical climate. Teach a man to fish.... I think the Koreans should go ahead and do it. They need all the plane-building experience they can get if they want to maximize their chances for survival in the ever-shifting geopolitical climate. Teach a man to fish….

]]> By: Left Flank » Blog Archive » A Little Less than Allied http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-115044 Left Flank » Blog Archive » A Little Less than Allied Thu, 25 Oct 2007 10:51:07 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-115044 [...] Korean national pride doesn’t seem to be the only reason both Japan and ROK might build fighter jets independently of the US. [...] [...] Korean national pride doesn’t seem to be the only reason both Japan and ROK might build fighter jets independently of the US. [...]

]]> By: WangKon936 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114824 WangKon936 Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:56:35 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114824 # 16, Yep, my mistake. I get my left and my right confused sometimes too.... # 18, Yeah, it is impossible. I didn't say it was the most likely solution, just the most optimal solution. The most likely is that each of these countries will continue to toil away inefficently and not share any of their technology for the foreseeable future. # 19, Yes, the T-64 is more advanced then the T-72. However, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that in the mid 80's, category A divisions in East Germany still had more T-72s then T-64s. # 16,

Yep, my mistake. I get my left and my right confused sometimes too….

# 18,

Yeah, it is impossible. I didn’t say it was the most likely solution, just the most optimal solution. The most likely is that each of these countries will continue to toil away inefficently and not share any of their technology for the foreseeable future.

# 19,

Yes, the T-64 is more advanced then the T-72. However, if I’m not mistaken, I believe that in the mid 80’s, category A divisions in East Germany still had more T-72s then T-64s.

]]> By: Jing http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114820 Jing Wed, 24 Oct 2007 18:27:33 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114820 The T-72 series have a misunderstood reputation. The T-72's entered service in 1971 even though a more advanced tank, the T-64 had already been in production for several years. The T-72 was meant to be cheaper and exported to all of the Soviet satellite states. When it entered service, it wasn't facing off against the M1, Leopard 2, or Challenger but rather the M48, M-60, Chieftains, and Centurions. The T-72 series have a misunderstood reputation. The T-72’s entered service in 1971 even though a more advanced tank, the T-64 had already been in production for several years. The T-72 was meant to be cheaper and exported to all of the Soviet satellite states. When it entered service, it wasn’t facing off against the M1, Leopard 2, or Challenger but rather the M48, M-60, Chieftains, and Centurions.

]]> By: Wedge http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114801 Wedge Wed, 24 Oct 2007 09:37:27 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114801 #12: "I think the ultimate answer for East Asian nations who don’t want to be dominated and bullied by China is to pool their resources and develop their own EADS type of defense company." That actually made me laugh. That would make sense, but getting these people to agree on workshare, final assembly, investment amount ("you Japanese owe us!"), etc. would be beyond the level of God's ability. Even the Koreans couldn't agree with the Chinese on a 100-passenger aircraft back in the 90s. #12: “I think the ultimate answer for East Asian nations who don’t want to be dominated and bullied by China is to pool their resources and develop their own EADS type of defense company.”

That actually made me laugh. That would make sense, but getting these people to agree on workshare, final assembly, investment amount (”you Japanese owe us!”), etc. would be beyond the level of God’s ability. Even the Koreans couldn’t agree with the Chinese on a 100-passenger aircraft back in the 90s.

]]> By: globalvillageidiot http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114792 globalvillageidiot Wed, 24 Oct 2007 08:30:50 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/23/s-koreas-effort-to-develop-a-5th-generation-fighter/#comment-114792 "Now a F-35 buy of let’s say 60 planes will cost the ROKAF about US$6 billion. The KFX, estimates are US $12 billion for the production of 120 examples plus an estimated US$6 billion for development costs alone. Anyone with a simple knowledge of arithmetic will figure out which one is the better choice." Agreed. The F-35 purchase figure is unlikely to fluctuate too much, but you can probably count on the budget for a KFX program going far higher than the initial estimate of $18 billion. That estimate is likely low to begin with. “Now a F-35 buy of let’s say 60 planes will cost the ROKAF about US$6 billion. The KFX, estimates are US $12 billion for the production of 120 examples plus an estimated US$6 billion for development costs alone. Anyone with a simple knowledge of arithmetic will figure out which one is the better choice.”

Agreed. The F-35 purchase figure is unlikely to fluctuate too much, but you can probably count on the budget for a KFX program going far higher than the initial estimate of $18 billion. That estimate is likely low to begin with.

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