Just not this quickly.
A close associate of Park Cheol explained today that rumors that Park’s wife, Ok So-ri, was having an affair with a foreign hotel chef were true, and that he was gathering evidence and witnesses, reports NoCut News.
But wait, friends — it gets better. Much better.
The associate said Park went to the hotel where the (alleged) scoundrel was employed, but he got an “incomprehensible response” from a hotel official, who just so happened to be a foreigner, too. Namely, when told that in Korea, adultery was problematic both culturally and legally, the official reportedly said, “So what?”
Park’s friend said, “I understand the hotel official gave the cook a vacation… The hotel’s official position is that it won’t get involved because it’s the personal matter of the employee, but I got the impression they’re protecting him.
He continued:
Park is currently in shock about his wife’s affair, but he’s also very displeased by the attitude of the other man… Is it reasonable for someone who works in Korea to say he cares not for Korea’s culture and laws?
Stop laughing. He really said that.
Last but not least, the friend finished up with a little social anthropology:
The issues with some ‘problematic foreigners’ who reside in Korea, like some foreign English teachers, stems from their failure to understand cultural differences and their thinking that they can live anyway they like in Korea… I think it’s because of this that Koreans are feeling hurt even more.
Look, as a married man, I certainly feel the guy’s pain. I really do. But Jesus, Mr. Park, with an attitude like that, is it really a surprise your wife was shtupping the barbarian?
UPDATE: Here are the comments at Naver.com, for those who enjoy reading that sort of thing.
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Wow, Robert.
Mr. Park is so foolish. If my wife were going around on me, would I want to publicize it in such a childish manner!? I wonder if he has ever really ever had an honest discussion of these issues with his wife. I could not blame the woman for seeking the company of others considering Mr. Park’s character.
IMHO, Mr. Park heaps shame upon the image of Korean men.
How do some Korean woman feel about their husbands getting handjobs at the na-i-teu?
Does it complicate foreign relations if the woman getting the forearm exercise is from some random tropical country?
Too bad I don’t work at that hotel. My reaction would have been, “ha ha ha ha.”
lmfao
Right, as if we possess mojo that makes us irresistible to foxy ajumahs.
I can’t vouch to the other 999,999 foreigners in Korea, but I certainly haven’t shagged this cat’s wife.
Did the hotel official say “so what” – as in it’s none of the hotel’s business to punish employees for their personal business? Or was it a “so what,” there’s nothing wrong with adultery? I can see Park getting upset if it was the latter, but as I understand, people in Korea can get fired for cheating on their spouse, so it could have been the former. And, regardless of the actions of the chef and the hotel manager, it’s totally out of line to blame all foreigners, or claim that foreigners are some how less moral than Koreans. It takes two to tango anyway.
This chef’s motives are kind of odd. The guy’s raking in the dough, young guy, not bad looking, must have had his pick of hot girls out there. Maybe she knows how to get her man – supposedly she proposed marriage to Park. I guess the chef’s strategy is to lay low till this passes over, but that may be quite some time.
“UPDATE: Here are the comments at Naver.com, for those who enjoy reading that sort of thing.”
Let me guess…
200 messages that can be summed up to: “White guys have a different girl every night”, “crazy foreigners”, “what country is this guy from?”, and “Foreigners don’t respect Korea”?
again, who’s the victim, really? the cook, or the lover?
again, who’s the victim, really? the cook, or the lover?
“So what” doesn’t fully reflect “뭐 어떠냐”, as “뭐 어떠냐” carries a ‘That’s ok’ + ‘Who cares’ implication. (It also implies a moderate approval).
I’m rather confused by some of the responses here…
“Currently Mr. Park is shocked by his wife’s unfaithfulness but also irritated by the other person – Is it logical that someone who works in Korea is not bound by Korean culture and law?”
What’s wrong with that statement? Obviously it stems from the response of “Who cares?” to the question “Don’t you know adultery is problematic ethically and legally in Korea?”, and frankly I would’ve made the same statement that it is ridiculous for them to ignore the societal convention and law.
Many people must have skipped over the word
일부 (which means few (or select part), NOT some) in the second response (on the lack of cultural understanding), because many comments here also seems to imply that Mr. Park and his associates had somehow said “외국놈들은 우리 문화를 이해도 못하고, 이해를 할려고도 안하는 미친놈들이다.” (once again, must have read over the 일부 part) This, of course, seems ridiculous to me when the complaint stems from the whole “Adultery? Who cares?” response from the hotel (HENCE the cultural understanding). And I love how people here expect a man who just found out that his wife had been cheating on him to be logical, reasonable, and calm. ‘Emotional and heartbroken? What are you talking about? It’s only adultery and ugly divorce battle. Suck it up.’
@ McGenghis
I’m not so sure what you’re getting at… Are you saying that because some Korean men leave on sex tourism, it gives moral blank check for ALL married Korean women to cheat on their husband? Once again, hypocritical generalization strikes again (Koreans shouldn’t generalize me, but I can do it to Koreans whenever I want to.)
‘Once again, hypocritical generalization strikes again (Koreans shouldn’t generalize me, but I can do it to Koreans whenever I want to.)’ bumfromkorea
well said and so true. don’t worry though; reasonable people can see the ‘ya’ in the yahoo.
I tend to agree with bumfromkorea here. Much worse has been done and said by the injured party in the wake of marriage-sundering infidelity.
With the exception of over-the-top netizen comments and jingoist, factually sloppy media coverage, assuming these happen (I haven’t checked this), this sounds like a story that could happen almost anywhere.
Bad case.
Pride of Korean men is fluctuating. The shallow pride, you know, inferior complex. Behind Park Cheol are angered Korean men and they are instigating Park Cheol. The chef is younger, taller, more slim and more handsome. Maybe his ‘it’ is larger, for his nose is big. (Oh, sorry. I read this Korean men wrote.)
It’s up to Park Cheol whether this case proceeds into a criminal case. If you think of Park’s love for his wife, there’s still room for condonement. It’ll be better for the chef to return and beg forgiveness not to ruin his career. Ladies will love him the more for this case.
At any rate, the two lovers or love partners are alive unlike Ms. Simpson an her love partner.
I dunno about anyone else but this Park Cheol fellow’s wife makes Margeret Cho look sexy.
I believe “if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime” should apply to all people. On the other hand, “There’s no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation” or whatever Trudeau said in 1967. However, it did go public. “When in Korea, do as Koreans do.” The culinary wiz did as Koreans do, but… So confusing! What do you think #11? What do/did the guys in your unit here think about this matter #11? Just curious.
in reading thru the comments, and i was surprised to read a short row of sympathy; buminkorea, pawiokirogi and slim.
would Naver netizens ever have some sympathy for the foreigner? kudos to you guys for having some heart.
i too feel bad for the ‘adultery’ part. but the “childish” [Elgin] behavior by Park Cheol is pathetic, although sadly, not unexpected here.
btw, i didnt notice if anyone mentioned, but isnt there a prison sentence for those caught in adultery?
#10 wrote:
I read the Korean language article linked in the entry, and I couldn’t find anywhere a mention of which language was used in the conversation between Park Chul and the hotel employee.
As for adultery violating Korean social norms, let’s be precise. While adultery is illegal for both sexes, it is only married women having extramarital sex who face social scorn. Byun Yang-gyun got into trouble not for adultery per se but because allegations of job fixing. Concubinage no longer exists dejure in Korea but does exist defacto. I recall reading last year about two daughters of a concubine of Chung Ju-yung receiving a share of his inheritance. The press dealt with this matter of factly along with allegations that only the first four sons of Chung were born to his recently deceased wife, who apparently raised the late Mong-hun and Mong-joon as her own.
Limiting the concept of adultery to sex with a married woman is not uncommon. I believe that Jewish law recognizes only female adultery, and I’ve never heard of a married man being stoned to death.
There is a logic in condemning married women more harshly in that sex with a married woman may result in pregnancy and the husband raising the biological child of another man unknowingly. Research using modern DNA data has found that up to 15% of children born in England have a different biological father than the man listed on the birth certificate. Male adultery also threatens women in a tangible way. A married man who fathers a child outside of marriage may be compelled to support that child financially, taking resources away from the legal family.
leviticus 18:20, 24, 20:11, 12, 14, 15,
Deuteronomy 22:22
Leviticus 20:10
Sonagi, wrong, yet again.
I think you were talking to someone who wanted to justify his adventures, unless the Christians modified the Old Testament to suit themselves.
I think it’s pretty natural that men cheat and women cheat, but don’t kid around. There are consequences. Natural jealousy is undeniable, std’s is a reality, those who get permanent std’s and children born between those partners, those are the casualties.
It’s also clear that men cheat around more.
Chrisitan religion is not saying anything bad for you by advocating 1:1 man, woman. Probably that’s why Paul said a deacon should be the husband of ONE woman. 1 Timothy 3:12.
To all my non-Christian friends and foes, don’t bother looking it up, if you don’t want to.
Nothing’s wrong with God. Something’s wrong with man and woman.
and even if you justify all that multiple sex relationships and such,
I’ll bet a million bucks you’ll have the anger of your lifetime when you find out your hub or wife cheats on you, and you just found out.
it’s built in.
I dunno about anyone else but this Park Cheol fellow’s wife makes Margeret Cho look sexy.
Sick but spot on!
There’s a difference between being hurt after you find out your wife is banging another dude and publicly airing out your racism following said discovery. If I’d found out my wife was running around behind my back with a person of another race and then got on my blog to scold said race — “some” or otherwise — I’d be condemned as a racist. And rightfully so.
You’re wrong, wjk. Please consult these sources on Talmudic law:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia......p;letter=A
http://www.jewishaz.com/jewish.....orah.shtml
But that’s what I’m confused about, Robert. How is Mr. Park’s statement ‘racist’? It can be labeled emotional, rash, even childish to some. But how is it racist when clearly the statement is in response to the attitude taken as “Who cares?”?
@ Sonagi
“외도나 간통 등 한국에서 문화적으로나 법적으로도 문제가 되는 일에 대해 ‘뭐 어떠냐’는 반응을 보였다”
A lot of the problem comes from foreigners wrongly assuming that the ubiquitous Buddhist places of worship known here as “성인 나이트” and “모텔” are places for married people to engage in adultery.
First off, even if it were a response to “Who cares?” (which it’s not, it’s mostly directed at the other guy — “또 “현재 박철은 옥소리의 외도 사실에도 충격을 받았으나 외도 상대의 태도에도 큰 불쾌감을 느끼고 있다”면서 “한국에서 일하는 사람이 한국의 문화나 법과 상관이 없다는 것이 이치에 맞는 것이냐”고 묻기도 했다.”), what he’s done is make his wife’s affair a “foreigner issue,” going even so far as to link it to the English teacher scandals. I mean, you can see that, right, and how it might be problematic?
@Bum,
Where in that quote does it make clear that the conversation took place in Korean? I see the single quotation marks, but that does not mean that ‘뭐 어떠냐’ was actually uttered and is not a translation of something said in English. If that hotel employee is actually familiar with that expression, he must have very high proficiency in Korean.
Robert, it is, considering how the “Who cares” part was mentioned prior to the sentence you mention – and even contextually, it is obviously talking about the who care part.
Secondly, “일부” disqualifies the sentence as racist as well (it’s not even as wide as “some” and much closer to “few”, as in “few members of U.S. Congress has been involved with embarrassing sex scandals” – does that sentence paint the whole U.S. Congress, or does the “few” prevent the generalization?) . The sentence, in addition, is mentioning what he perceives as related prevalent social issue. Irrational? Why not. Racist? I don’t think so.
@Sonagi
If your requirement for assessment of the situation includes the actual quote-by-quote of the conversation, I’m afraid no one here can offer any significant opinion. What I’m saying is, the person who made the statement about cultural ignorance has stated beforehand that the conversation involved “뭐 어떠냐” in either language. Whether it was in Korean, English, or whatever, the person is saying that the actual meaning of the response was “Who cares?”/”뭐 어떠냐”.
You can challenge whether the person actually said “뭐 어떠냐”/”Who cares?”, but my point is that the cultural ignorance statement makes sense if we take into account that the response was “뭐 어떠냐”/”who cares?”.
wjk,
Here’s an even better general description of adultery under Jewish law:
http://www.myjewishlearning.co.....Isaacs.htm
Then why did you say this, bum?
You yourself made a distinction between the English and Korean wording. Why did you do that if the distinction wasn’t relevant?
“So what” was Robert’s translation. I was challenging that, saying that “Who cares?” better reflects the meaning of 뭐 어떠냐.
The watering holes of Seoul will be filled with “foreign chefs” this weekend.
On a lighter note, I found my Kitchen Confidential DVDs and am currently watching it in the spirit of the… issue at hand? ^^;; I have to say, the show makes chefs look very sexy. Damn you Fox executives for canceling yet another awesome show…
I know I’ve been out of the States a long time, but doesn’t “Who cares?” and “So what?” mean the same thing? I mean, if you’d prefer, I’d be happy to change it, but I’m still not clear on what difference it would make.
He thought it was relevant because his wife’s paramour was white. And hence crimes by “some” English teachers gets linked. I doubt, for instance, that had the “other man” been Korean, Park (or at least Park’s people) would be linking his plight to the Shin Jeong-ah scandals or the Hanhwa chief goon-hiring case because they happened to have been done by “some” Koreans.
And while he was clearly upset at the hotel official, I’m afraid I have to respectably disagree with you — the rant was primarily directed at the chef, whom he didn’t even meet:
Here’s what I would tell that fat cuckold:
@ Robert
You’re right, I think I only said it because dokdoforever wasn’t clear on the intent of the “so what”… “Who cares” would have solved the confusion in that respect.
The thesis (if you can call it that) of the whole opinion is that ‘troubles caused by few “problematic” foreigners stems from their unwillingness to be bound by the society’s culture and law’. In this regard, Mr. Park’s situation (in respect to “who cares”) and English teachers are under the same umbrella (and hence the link). If the thesis had been something like ‘Korean women are cheating #$^$#es’ (yeah, I know), the Shin Jung Ah case and Mr. Park’s case would be under the same umbrella as well. But it’s not.
The thesis is ‘troubles caused by few “problematic” foreigners stems from their unwillingness to be bound by the society’s culture and law’ not ‘White- I mean, foreigners are taking away our women.’ If the thesis was the latter, then by all means your response is correct. But it’s not.
Not necessarily.
What we would need to know would be what tubby’s hypothetical reaction would have been to a Korean man having sex with his wife.
Would he have bemoaned the “few problematic Koreans who are unwilling to be bound by this society’s law” (I think we can agree there are at least a few)?
Somehow, I doubt that.
And that is what one of Robert’s points was.
(Name deleted) lived in Korea around 5 years, most of that at (hotel name removed) in which time he slept with half of the stewardesses for (airline removed). This was not include in his job description and he later moved to the (hotel name removed) mostly to escape the sex scandals. The hotel industry is notorious for such decadence, even in Korea. Sleeping with Ok Solee is representative of his addiction. He is lucky he didnt get arrest by police.
However, I wonder how clean is Pak Chul?
* Edited by Robert
One, as you say, we would have to step into the purely hypothetical world to do that. I can hypothetically wonder whether Robert is actually a Flying Spaghetti Monster and “somehow” arrive to a conclusion that he is, but logically it would make little sense (sorry, Robert, but my friends and I were just talking about the Pastafarians and that was the first thing that popped into my mind ^^).
Two, what would be very likely is that his thesis would have been ‘the recent trend in adultery/divorce rate in Korea is deeply disturbing’ or ‘Korea needs to better protect its family integrity’, both widely recognized as a societal problem in Korea by Koreans.
I could not agree more.
I wonder why Park Cheol did not express something along those lines instead.
Because, as you aptly put it, the hypothetical thesis provided by me is in the purely hypothetical situation where Mr. Park’s wife cheated with a Korean man. Reality, of course, differs.
The only claim left would be that “well, why didn’t he just say that in the first place?” Welcome to Korea, where foreign population only JUST reached 2% of the population! Because society and social mindset is so easy and quick to change. That’s why civil rights movement in United States only took 5 months.
@swlee
That sounds like the restaurant industry that I so fondly remember. Straight out of a chapter in Kitchen Confidential.
@Bumfromkorea,
I’m not trying to generalize, I’m just curious. You’ll notice I asked question, not made statements.
So, you admit Robert was correct.
And it is interesting how in these types of arguments a Korean-(fill in the blank) will ALWAYS retort “But in the U.S……”
The guy in question wasn’t even from the U.S.
Not to mention it may well not be hypothetical that tubby’s looks-challenged wife didn’t also give it up to Park, Kim, and Lee. Unless one buys that she was faithful until falling for the irresistible wiles of the chef.
I might also guess that what’s really going on here is Park making a “media play” to buy public sympathy ahead of what’s sure to be a very ugly and very public divorce. Not to say he isn’t upset — hey, I’ve seen “Woman on the Beach” (해변의 여인) so I know how sensitive “some” (일부) of you K-guys are about the Evil Foreign Penis thing — but might he also be playing to the basest sentiments of “some” (일부) of the Korean media-consuming public, a.k.a., “The bitch did it with a foreigner, people. A FOREIGNER!”
@dogbertt
And now the putting words into mouth game begins. I was wondering how long it was going to take.
First, I was telling Robert that he was correct about “so what” = “who cares?”, and that my original statement had to do with dokdoforever’s question. But nice try.
Second, I chose the U.S. example because I spent my jr. high/high school years IN U.S. and I’m most familiar with its history (probably more than ancient Korean history). Also, I used the U.S. example because at least in my opinion, U.S. is the most open and diversity-accepting society in the world – and I was making point about how hard it is to change a societal institution even in a diversity-minded country like the U.S. In addition, it’s not a tu quoque argument as you seem to imply – I’m talking about the unreasonable expectations that Korea’s put under in the manners of rapidity of social change.
If there’s one thing that will annoy me to no end, it’s people who tries to put words into my mouth.
“hey, I’ve seen “Woman on the Beach” (해변의 여인) so I know how sensitive “some” (일부) of you K-guys are about the Evil Foreign Penis thing”
…???
It’s like me watching 24 and going “Man, Americans sure love to torture.” Or, as one of my, uh, “Anglo-Saxon” friend said to me once “Man, what’s with you Asian people and bukkake?”
“The bitch did it with a foreigner, people. A FOREIGNER!”
Once again, the thesis is ‘troubles caused by few “problematic” foreigners stems from their unwillingness to be bound by the society’s culture and law’ not ‘White- I mean, foreigners are taking away our women.’ If the thesis was the latter, then by all means your response is correct. But it’s not.
OK, bumfromkorea. We’ll just have to watch how this gets played out.
Indeed. For all I know, tomorrow he’ll have a press conference actually saying “The bitch did it with a foreigner, people. A FOREIGNER!” (So not being sarcastic)
It would be hilarious if he actually said it quote by quote.
…Which is probably in response to all the dogbertts of kblogland always asserting “Only the Koreans…” or framing some denigration to that effect. Interjection of perspective where perspective is being lost wouldn’t be bad thing, I’d say.
Not to mention all the blatantly false analogies that such dogbertt sort tend to make between themselves in Korea and Korean immigrants in America. How would a Korean-(fill in the blank) correct such bad habits without mentioning the U.S.?
Per Robert’s: “Evil Foreign Penis thing” . . .
EFP: a new cool rock group name.
EFP: a new cool rock group name. That’s excellent!!!
Bumfromkorea,
everyone here on this blog knows that there is not much love lost between Dogbertt and myself. Indeed, I am of the opinion that Dogbertt is a racist…
But arguments such as yours effectively force folks like my humble self to take Dogbertt’s side.
You should think long and hard about the damaging effects of your line of reasoning…
“Once again, the thesis is ‘troubles caused by few “problematic” foreigners stems from their unwillingness to be bound by the society’s culture and law’…”
Bum,
please keep me informed – are effective criminal sanctions taken against adulterers in the ROK. My wife, a staunchly conservative Korean lady who abhors adultery and even sex before marriage tells me that she has never heard of anything the like during her time in Korea.
Okay, she lived a quite sheltered life in Chungcheongbuk-do where it is most rural…
But later she attended Chungbuk National U, after all… So she might have heard something…
Punishment for adultery is only penal servitude. No choice. So, I expect suspension of execution will be joined to penal servitude if possible. Moreover there hardly seems to be imprisonment before guilty ruling is fixed. But, you know, recently there are some odd no-guilty rulings from lower courts,
When inevitable, things were done as the following graph-see it in notepad or something) .
imprisonment ——(prison term sentenced)——— guilty ruling & release
▼ being prosecut’n and/or trial ▼
—————————————————————> time
Crime adultery needs accusation from one’s spouse, and for the spouse to accuse as adultery it needs the termination of their marriage or the being of divorce suit. Wise wife asserts that she’s raped, accuses her partner male of rape and then cancels the rape accusation. When husband finds it out, it’ll be late. There are time limit for accusation–of course adultery– and more complicating matters. Real stories.
Acually it was assessed not late in one case by counting the period from the protracted time point.
Why do people become mad at thier spouses cheating? Who knows the mechanism?
Don’t you mean “penile servitude”?
I’d like to know the answer to this and the large market for lolita porn comics.
Is your pen*** thing penal to you? I see many who complain about their pen*** thing, for it has no chance to be used or does not function properly. Even some hoped their pen*** thing to root out. Pooh!
* Quiz! No one knows!
http://law4u.net/blog/?winnie.270
Which is why I’ll be a sommelier. Gotta stay ahead of the curve, ya know. Plus I’ve got a new cork screw.
oh, and the Seychelles
@ Fantasy
“You should think long and hard about the damaging effects of your line of reasoning…”
Perhaps it would be better if you could explain this further – and of course I’m assuming the next sentence isn’t the crux of your argument.
“please keep me informed – are effective criminal sanctions taken against adulterers in the ROK.”
To my knowledge, while it is still enforced (people do go to jail for adultery), because of the nature of the “crime” being very private the husband or the wife must bring the charges against their cheating spouse (otherwise, how would the police know about it in the first place?).
A little late to the discussion but does anyone thing the woman may have sought out the foreigner as revenge on the guy. It seems to hurt the fragile korean male the most when you cheat on him with a foreigner. Seems like with her fame, she could have easily chosen who to have her affair with. Why the foreigner? Sounds like a revenge play. Its not like she thought it would not be discovered.
One angle we haven’t entertained here is that maybe the reporter made up the quotes — they do that a lot, especially in tabloids.
The quotes are:
1) anonymous
2) attributed to someone allegedly “very close” to the alleged entertainer Park Chul.
Local media also often ask a loaded question that can be answered with a “yes” or “no” and then spin that into a quote:
REPORTER: Would you say that Park is shocked at the adultery and especially dismayed that the foreigner involved was indifferent to Korean culture and law?
PARK’S FRIEND (or the ajossi that parks cars near Park’s house): I never thought about the foreigner angle, but I guess so.
STORY: Park’s close friend quoted the distraught star as saying “I am shocked at the adultery and especially dismayed that the foreigner involved was indifferent to Korean culture and law.”
Highly plausible, Slim.
And I wouldn’t be surprised if the 뭐 어떠냐’/so what/whatever quote was pulled out of the reporter’s ass, too.
That’s what I said.
I think Korean males, e.g. from AntiEnglishSpectrum may have instilled him the thought. They may have posted, commented, SMSed, etc. Mr. Park was aroused and
The reporter wrote: Mr.Park said the foreign hotelman other than the chef thad taken a so-what attitude.
You know the difference between 큰따옴표(”) and 작은따옴표(’).
Ah, WJK Christian values…you were just here the other day saying you “Hate the Chinese even more than you hate the Japanese.” Could you quote that love thy neighbor passage, oh you probably don’t know that one. Your name should be WSJ
위선자.
mr. mix. I can think, right?
So far, I’ve exchanged punches and kicks a Korean 3 times during my prolific career.
Let’s see. Have I physically harmed a Chinese or a Japanese yet? Let’s see, No!
Have I financially harmed a Chinese or a Japanese yet? No!
Have I intentionally lied to a Chinese or a Japanese peer so they will suffer? To the best of my recollection, no.
See, this Chinese girl is showing interest in me lately. Do I pursue? No. I try to maintain friendly relations.
WJK has WJK values. He’s okay.
You’re not free to put me on a pedestal and knock, because I have a values and you have none.
WJK, you need to go back and read your New Testament, which asks you to love your neighbor, not just refrain from harming him. Thinking doesn’t entering into it, by the way. End of story.
Even by Korean “Christian” i.e. moksa-shamanist standards your indifference to the content of your holy book is pretty extraordinary.
Herod, I’m not obligated to achieve perfection. I can try.
I’ve never done anything ill-willed towards an ethinic Chinese or Japanese in my entire life.
I can swear by that.
My beliefs are more in jive with the background shown in Jesus Camp, the movie.
If that scares you, I shrug my shoulder.
Do not fear. I keep a strict difference between Gong and Sa.
If I have a choice of buying Chinese made, Japanese made, or Korean made, I buy the Hyundai, the Sam Sung, the Pulmuwon tofu.
I’m not a bad guy, and a good guy by most standards.
You’re out of bounds in quoting a book you don’t read.
or believe. I read it 10+times in its entirety. Maybe a waste of time to others, but it happens when you read a little bit daily. Anyone can do it.
And reading it 10+ times is > understanding it. D’uh!
WJK sets a fine example. One that ought to be emulated. When I have a choice I never choose Korean made goods.
Oh, the insanity…
“You know the difference between 큰따옴표(”) and 작은따옴표(’).”
Right, so the meaning conveyed to Mr. Park’s side was “who cares”.
It is incredible to me that the actual reported news is discredited without any proof other than ‘well, it’s Korean media’ while a purely baseless speculation made by someone who has absolutely no insight in what had happened is elected as a credible hypothesis. And it’s very interesting that some of the comments here are absolutely determined to pigeonhole “Korean males” as small-dicked jealous madmen while, once again ironically, the same people are complaining about how Korean society generalizes them.
“I shouldn’t be generalized by Korean society, but I can generalize Koreans whenever I want!” mindset strikes again, I suppose.
You’re missing my point here, bum. The who cares/so what question is a complete distraction. Like you did, I’m cutting Park a bit of slack here by saying that we have no guarantee that Park said or did what that report quotes an anonymous friend as saying he said. Second-hand quotations of anonymous sources in a tabloid do not add up to “actual reported news”.
1. If we are dismissing the article as a tabloid, the moral outrage the comments here have expressed becomes as ridiculous as the tabloid on the account that… it is a tabloid. (i.e. People magazine is so f*cking sexist –> What the hell is up with Americans and sexism?!)
2. As a media that is apparently worthy enough to represent the Korean male psyche, there is at least some element of credibility in its reporting. Pure speculation done in the comment section of a blog, on the other hand, is given more credibility here.
That’s what I find incredible, slim.
I see you’ve changed your tune, WJK, from very non-Christian declarations of your hatred for your neighbor to mild declarations that you prefer not to buy from your neighbor. Getting a little scared of that hell-fire, eh?
bum,
We are suspicious of the Korean media because we know of other examples where quotes were fabricated. Back during the controversy over the book “Beyond the Bamboo Groves, ” author Yoko Watkins held a press conference of sorts in the Boston. At the conference, US academic Daniel Barenblatt, who has written books highly critical of Japan’s role in WWII, asked Ms. Watkins some very pointed questions. YTN provided initial news reports of the conference, quoting the academic Daniel Barrett (unsure about last name) as saying things like “I could tell she was lying by looking in her eyes.” Daniel Barenblatt became aware of the reports, complained in writing to YTN and the Joongang Ilbo:
You can find the entire text by scrolling down on Daniel Barenblatt’s blog:
http://www.geocities.com/dib10280/
This is one example where a reporter at the national news agency YTN appears to have completely manufactured quotes, and man misquoted was sympathetic to the Korean side! As Daniel Barenblatt noted, misquotes aren’t limited to the South Korean media, and went on to cite an example of an incorrect word, “more” instead of “moral” in a Reuters story. Mistaking two similar words is an honest mistake; literally putting words into people’s mouths is not.
The Daniel Barenblatt example comes to mind easily, but I recall there have been other cases of people accusing the Korean media of grossly misquoting them. The fact that the quotes attributed to Park were not firsthand is all the more reason to be suspicious.
The academic’s name is Barenblatt, not Barrett. When I first started typing the comment, I wasn’t sure and then googled to check and missed one correction.
#69 Herod
“…you need to go back and read your New Testament…”
Wow, that’s like advice from beyond the grave. Thank you O King of Israel.
“Woe unto them that rise up early in the morning, that they may follow strong drink; that continue until night, till wine inflame them!”
@76 bum – 1) is closer to my thoughts on the issue. I thought this was a non-story about “celebrities” I’d never heard of and then didn’t care about once I found out who they were.
But my point is more basic: Those who are reacting in anger to this are going on second-hand accounts of Park’s words and third-hand accounts (via Park) of the foreign hotel manager’s words, carried in a tabloid. Even without introducing “Korean media” into the equation, that is fishy. (And then, what Sonagi points out when you do add Korean media into the mix, makes it a good deal more so).
My position is scepticism, not speculation. Where I speculate is that maybe it was the reporter or the editor who introduced the xenophobia angle into Park’s story of personal heartache. That certainly sells and is far from unusual even in mainstream media in Korea.
‘We are suspicious of the Korean media because we know of other examples where quotes were fabricated.’ sonag
no, you’re suspicious of korean media when it doesn’t say what you want it to say. you folks never question the integrity of the korean press when it says something to fit your low opinion of the people you say you care about. you think because our eyes are slanted we can’t see that?
‘WJK sets a fine example. One that ought to be emulated. When I have a choice I never choose Korean made goods.’ seouldout
just a little background on ’seoulout’: he’s from a third word country of unknown origin. that is, he tells us he ain’t white and that his people went through things worse than the holocaust. my guess he’s a filipino or indian but in any event, we can be sure he’s a third worlder. must be hard cleaning the korean man’s toilet. movie star he ain’t.
‘i’m thought of as a movie star probably because of my nose.’ cmm
you folks never question the integrity of the korean press when it says something to fit your low opinion of the people you say you care about.
Again, pawi, I recommend remedial reading classes and probation from commenting for you until you achieve grade-school levels of comprehension.
I am questioning the integrity of the Korean press in EXACTLY the situation
you are describing above.
You are simply pathetic….perhaps beyond help, in which case a ban is in order.
Park Chul owes a lot of money to his friends. He and OkSori decide to do “Fake-divorce” so that OkSori can keep his house and bank account. This way Park can protect his money through his wife.
However,they are famous for being “InKo couple”(very tight). Therefore, they needed an incredible story to cover it up.
Park thought “Hey, I can play a cuckold husband. That way, I can still appear in soap operas. As matter of fact, I can gain more fans”
A foreigner is chosen so that that guy cannot appear on Korean weekly gossip column and f’ess up. Or, even blackmail him for money.
Park contacted a foreigner going home. He happened to know that this cook is done with his work at the hotel and leaving soon. Park paid him $10,000.
To solidify the lie, Oksori and this guy sat in a hotel room and watched the TV together.
Park is not a victim. He is just pulling Hwang(if you know what I mean).
1)
All enterment people live ravish lifestyle, especially when they can least afford it. They have to show-off that they are still big people. Pavoratti owed $27 mil when he died.
2) A fake-divorce is often used to protect asset. In Korea, friends lend money to friends often, and in large sums. In millions. Even without collatoral! Even without a piece of paper!
3) A fake-divorce is often used in Western countries as well to protect assets. It is not used as often because Western women are less reliable and they do not like to commit a crime to protect assets. Korean women are 1) more reliable and 2)have been through hard times to know the importance of protecting assets.
Park’s dick size has nothing to do with it.
Actually, Korean women , with their small sexual organ, abhor Western big dicks.
They are painful. Even after applying Vaseline.
Size matter. In different way.
Have you try to eat an hamberger that is too big? They look good but when you start bite into it things start spill out.
Once in a while is OK but if you have to eat everyday, you are going to complain to the cook who thinks his berger is the biggest in the world.
“Make it a bite size, you moron. Think about people who have to eat this.”
Given Pawi’s crude race-baiting and deliberately? incorrect paraphrasings and misinterpretations of others’ words, he would have made a fine tabloid reporter in Korea.
pawi tends to take the forest and lodge it in between the two trees where most of us are still standing, so to speak.
i see his point, and i agree.
Baduk,
Back in college, I had dated a guy who turned out to be “bite-sized.” Needless to say, the first time was the last. Poor fellow. Even manboobs and chest rugs aren’t as sexually repulsive as being hung like a six-year-old.
Obviously you have confused me with someone else (perhaps Fantasy?)–you’ve done this a few times w/ me.
pawi has been wrong and/or wrongheaded 95% of the time for the last 4 years, earlier going under the names Shin Jong Il and Nulji. His only enduring “point” is contempt for anybody who would criticize Korea. He misquotes comments, confuses commenters (all non-Koreans look alike?), misunderstands comments and is entirely intellectually dishonest when challenged. Some may find foil value in his wittingly or unwittingly confirming the worst stereotypes about knuckle-dragging nativism among Korean men, but for me his presence degrades and defiles the Marmot’s Hole. I’d probably feel even more strongly about this if I were Korean.
ROTFLMWAO
You just keep telling yourself that — you’ll sleep better.
Mr. Koehler, is that Korean men in their 40’s going after a Korean teen girl for sex?
Looks like it was from the chosun.
Sonagi, I’d rather not know about your experiences with not too big, not too small.
They sure have a funny way of expressing their abhorrence.
Let me just say that there’s nothing I enjoyed more than having my Western dick abhorred on a regular basis by several Korean women when I lived there. One of them in particular abhorred my cock so much that she used to wear it out and make it sore. Used to go through a bottle of Astroglide in a single weekend. Man, that woman and her small sexual organ really, really hated my cock. A lot.
assuming you didn’t get any permanent stds or aren’t infertile after your adventures, good for you, blueballs.
Assuming you didn’t make that out into a real family or real children, aw, shucks for you, really.
do they really sell astroglide in korea?
Wow, the conversation went downhill very fast…
@ slim
If your intention was to be skeptical, then I must have misread you. However, my response was in general to the attitude of “yeah, right. it’s Korean media.” (ala dogbertt + ●~*, Sonagi, and (I thought) yourself)
@ sonagi
1. Even if I accept that past incidences of misquotations improve the chance that misquotation has happened in this case (a concept that would have gotten an F in a statistics course), all that achieves is that we don’t know what happened. The speculation “racially driven questions” is not strengthened by the supposed truth that Korean media inherently misquotes people. That part of the claim is still PURELY speculative and baseless.
2. I’m no fan of Korean newspapers, but dismissing the credibility of an article on face because of past precedence of different Korean reporters to me seems very illogical and overgeneralizing (ah, the reporter’s Korean, so he probably misquoted/directing-questioned him). Are you seriously telling me the Korean reporter’s credibility is automatically reduced because of OTHER Korean reporters’ misgivings in the past? Sounds very overgeneralizing to me. And once again, “Don’t generalize me, but I can generalize Koreans!” shows its ugly face.
iheartblueballs,
Let’s just assume you’re a woman. Would you decide who you like by the size of his dick?
Why would you use such a ridiculous criteria to select your mate?
Do you select your women by the size of their sexual organ?
Porno is screwing up your perception of real world.
Physics applies, even in sex. O-ring that is too small will not work. If you stretch too much, it will tear.
Sonagi,
Have you ever thought that you did not excite him enough?
Male organs do expand.
Usually to the size of two to three times.
‘His only enduring “point” is contempt for anybody who would criticize Korea. He misquotes comments, confuses commenters (all non-Koreans look alike?), misunderstands comments and is entirely intellectually dishonest when challenged…’ slim on pawi
i must be doing something right. i’d make a good republican, wouldn’t i, slim?
‘Let me just say that there’s nothing I enjoyed more than having my Western dick abhorred on a regular basis by several Korean women when I lived there. One of them in particular abhorred my cock so much that she used to wear it out and make it sore. Used to go through a bottle of Astroglide in a single weekend. Man, that woman and her small sexual organ really, really hated my cock. A lot.’ angry man
tell me, mins, just what is the criteria for an expat to go over the line? lol.
‘i’m mistaken for a movie star, probably because of my nose.’ cmm
Well, yeah, but take heart in that it didn’t start off very high. I mean, how highbrow do you expect a discussion about an entertainer’s wife banging a foreign chef to be?
iheartblueballs,
When I say Korean women, I do not include prostitutes.
This is a real perception problem. GIs think Korean women love them. All they met are prostitutes.
Some Korean men go to Phillippines and they say Phillippinas love Korean men. Well, only women they met in PI are prostitutes.
Do you really think Phillippinas dig Korean men? Pot-bellied and weird-smelling Korean Adjussis?
Hardly.
@102 especially with a title like, “Well, I Knew This Would Turn…”
@iheartblueballs
Were you here in Korea because you were a GI and while here did you meet only prostitutes?
‘He misquotes comments.’
i cut and paste the comments so how can i misquote them? it’s true, in the past, i misquoted people but that wasn’t intentional. i was usually just paraphrasing the individual.
‘all non-Koreans look alike?’
i’ve seen very few of you. this is an example of you representing your feelings as if they were mine. not look alike, THINK alike.
‘misunderstands comments and is entirely intellectually dishonest when challenged…’
that’s your opinion though i’m sure your friends here may agree with you. misunderstand? no, i understand just fine, slim. trust me.
‘but for me his presence degrades and defiles the Marmot’s Hole….’
‘One of them in particular abhorred my cock so much that she used to wear it out and make it sore….’ angry man
most of you call for my ban because you just can’t take the heat. you can dish out plenty, but if someone gets in the way of you butchering the korean people, the first thing you want to do is to silence that individual. you don’t want people to counter you. you want to ridicule koreans wihout fear of being ridiculed yourself. and man! some of you say some of the most offensive things i’ve ever seen said about korea and koreans. i’m not interested in being your friend or placating you.
marmot can ask me to leave at any time. he ask me to go, i go. i don’t play games.
As unwittingly offensive and offbase as you are, baduk, you still crack me up.
how about you, dogbertt?
you’re not offensive and offbase?
didn’t you call yourself a very white black person or something like that?
Also, you’re the one who’s boiling like a tea pot over black American crimes against white Americans.
how about all the claims about reverse engineering every now and then?
banning Pawi would be a sin.
it would be confirmation of anti-Korean-ism and subtle racism and a feeling of superiority of the expats over the Koreans at this forum.
Pawi is a necessary piece to the life of this forum.
if you want to get rid of him, toss blueballs with him and me, too. Blueballs, you don’t, uh, object, right?
Sonagi, did you sleep with Matt of Occidentalism?
Ani-myun, mal-go…
See? See? See how offensive that is?
You’re like that to Koreans, pretty much on a cyclical basis.
too many people angry with themselves and blaming Korea.
I think it’s safe to say that this thread has brought out the worst in everybody
—expat and Korean alike.
wjk, I see I have to explain my earlier comment to you, as it was too subtle for you to understand.
I referred to myself as an “albino negro” as a joking response to “fantasy’s” nonsensical claim to be a “Caucasian of color”.
And no, I’m not offensive.
Serious questions from serious thinkers deserve serious answers.
Thank you. And as long as you don’t count syphilis, gonorrhea, and genital warts as STDs, then I don’t have any.
Fear not wjk. A Korean woman I met in Korea now lives with me in the states and abhorrs my cock at least once a week. Twice if I take her out to dinner.
They didn’t when I was there. I’d bring a duffel bag full of it back with me every time I’d go to the states on business. Not only does it help lubricate small sex organs, but it’s a delicious marinade for fish.
Wait a second…I’m not falling for that one again. Father O’Malley tried that line on me back when I was an altar boy, and all I got out of it was a sore taint and some jesus juice.
Well that depends on the size of his dick.
Because I love gigantic cock and refuse to have a mate hung like a field mouse.
I’m rather partial to tiny vaginas with massive beef curtains. Not an easy combination to find though.
Since god is our almighty creator and saw fit to create porn, it’s only appropriate that you blame him. In fact, every time I pray, god responds by telling me that the only way to cleanse my soul is to watch more porn. As a loyal follower of his holiness, I must obey. But before I view Forrest Hump, Big Trouble in Little Vagina, or The Pelican Queef, I first shake my fist at the sky and curse him for creating such filth. And then I lube up and rub one out.
Wasn’t a faulty O-ring the cause of the Challenger shuttle explosion in 1986? Are you telling me NASA was using vaginas to build spaceships? Because that just seems like shoddy design to me.
If there’s one thing I love about the Korean male psyche (and there are many, many things I love), it’s the propensity to marginalize and write off every Korean woman that looks at, dates, fucks, or marries a Western big-dick as a prostitute. It’s the most desperate, ridiculous, insecure, bullshit imagineable…and yet it flourishes among the shi’s. Like dogbertt said, you just keep on telling yourself that if it helps you cry yourself to sleep.
Apparently Korean women are faced with a Sophie’s Choice level of a dilemma. Do they spend their lives married to repulsive, pot-bellied, weird-smelling adjussis, or have their insides torn asunder by massive, abhorrent Western dicks? Quite a life they can look forward to.
Not a GI, and never slept with any prostitutes. Are you adjoshis really under the impression that the only Korean women that like to fuck are hookers? Why do you think Korean tv news shows are falling all over each other doing documentaries about Korean women cavorting with foreigners? Are you so dense that you think 10,000 hookers descend on Hongdae every weekend to dance with whitey? The complete clueless nature of your questions really makes me think that you know absolutely nothing about Korea in 2007. Nothing.
As for pawi, I do find it amusing that he thinks that my describing sex with a Korean woman qualifies as angry and offensive.
You really are the prototype aren’t you pal? So infuriated and enraged by the thought of a Korean woman betraying her country by enjoying…er, abhorring…Western dick that you find the mere description to be offensive and ban-worthy.
Living up to the stereotype chauvinist quite nicely, whether you realize it or not.
@ iheartblueball
Yeah, you are so right about Korean male psyche. Whenever I look at my two aunts, my cousin, and three of my friends, I can’t help but think “Man, what a whore/slut/prostitute” whenever I’m reminded that they’re married to/dating white guys. Actually, my cousin is dating a black guy, so I think “Man, what a ‘ho’.” as opposed to ‘whore’.
@ ut videam
^^ Penis talk will do that to people.
#91:
“just a little background on ’seoulout’: he’s from a third word country of unknown origin. that is, he tells us he ain’t white and that his people went through things worse than the holocaust. my guess he’s a filipino or indian but in any event, we can be sure he’s a third worlder. must be hard cleaning the korean man’s toilet. movie star he ain’t.
Obviously you have confused me with someone else (perhaps Fantasy?)–you’ve done this a few times w/ me.”
Seouldout:
May I kindly ask you to refrain from bringing me into connection with this nonsense – it is clear that this passage ia an unsuitable attack on one particular commenter, i.e. Someguyinkorea, who seems to be of Acadian origin, with an infusion of Indian blood. But he should not be derided for this, these people were in North America when your ancestors were not even aware where this continent is located…
And, as for Dogbertt’s persistent race-baiting, I refuse to comment upon it…
#110:
“I referred to myself as an “albino negro” as a joking response to “fantasy’s” nonsensical claim to be a “Caucasian of color”.”
Well, I do not know about Dogbertt, he sure looks funny, but as for myself please refer to the following article…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caucasian_race
blueballs and other US white males who have secured Korean women as their female counterparts in consensual sex…
I think that includes bevers and Sprewar.
You don’t think it’s chauvinistic of you to be bad mouthing her people at every opportunity you can get, and returning to the bedroom without ever hinting of your bullshit that fills your mind?
bum, you’re an uncle tom. There’s nothing wrong with Korean males compared to these guys. Just as degrading to women, just as chauvinistic, and you notice the main argument is something about dick. They’re trash.
WJK,
you know that I am not against you – indeed, we share a lot of common ideas, are both highly conservative people, and I applaud many of your posts.
Nevertheless, it is also clear that the fact that I have been happily married to a Korean for almost 8 years does not prevent me from being a staunch critic of most things Korean (NOT including Gyopo culture btw). My wife is even more critical of Korea and of the Korean Yuhaksaeng than I am, as she is much more aware than me of the shortcomings of Korean culture.
You know every morning at breakfast in our house things go like this:
My wife: Korea sucks.
Me : Germany sucks even more.
My wife: Okay, let us agree, both countries suck, but we’ve got to put up with this. There is not really any alternative…
Nice, eh ? And afterwards I drive her to the university, kiss her good-bye and go to work myself. It is kind of a ritual to get us started into the day…
Fantasy, the wikipedia article you cite says:
Hence, your saying “I’m a Caucasian of color” is an oxymoron. I was just trying to point out how nonsensical you are, but you are too obtuse even now, to “get it”.
How about this, then? You are as much a “Caucasian of color” as I am a “male lesbian”.
“bum, you’re an uncle tom. There’s nothing wrong with Korean males compared to these guys. Just as degrading to women, just as chauvinistic, and you notice the main argument is something about dick. They’re trash.”
WJK has got a point here…
Dogbertt,
“In the United States, the term “Caucasian” has been mainly a distinction based on looking white, not being Hispanic.”
Yeah, that’s how the term is used in the US. I am not presently in the US, nor am I a US citizen, nor does this blog refer to the US. Or does it ? I was labouring under the impression that the topic of this blog is the REPUBLIC OF KOREA (or maybe the entire Korean peninsula), not the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA…
Having said this, I want to make perfectly clear that I am actually a fan of the US, but that does not mean that I’m obliged to change my spelling to US English, nor to use racial terms in the way US citizens do.
This would change, however, if I (and my lovely wife) became landed immigrants in the US – but I do not see this happening any time soon…
OK, I’ll bite…how is “Caucasian” used in Germany? The only meaning of “Kaukasier” I’m aware of is literally someone hailing from the Caucasus. Which ain’t you.
And, speaking of U.S. usage, there are no “landed immigrants” in the U.S.
HTH
@ Fantasy,
No offense intended. Apologies if you felt so.
Dogbertt,
who cares ?
In the British societies of Hong Kong and Singapore where I grew up we used the term “Caucasian” in the manner described in the above-quoted Wikipedia article. And so I will continue to do, unless I take up residence in a country where a different convention applies, such as the US…
And, okay, “landed immigrant” is a Canadian term – I used to live for six months in London, Ontario – and for one year in Montréal, Québec, y’know…
My bad. But, then again, who cares…
Holy dick measuring contest, Batman!
#122:
No problem, Seouldout, that was an easy mistake to make…
I was going to watch “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest” this evening, but I think this’ll do.
Dude, you just do not get it.
It doesn’t matter if you are in Hong Kong, Singapore, Germany, the U.K., or the moon — there is no such bird as a “Caucasian of color”.
You may as well speak of a kosher ham.
@#98 bum,
I doubt the quotes not simply because it appears in the Korean media but because it is inflammatory and peculiar-sounding, much like the “I could tell she was lying by looking in her eyes” quote stuck into the mouth of Daniel Barenblatt and because the quotes were reported second and third-hand. I’ll make things clear for you:
I do not doubt simply because of A (Korean media) but because of A (Korean media), B (peculiarness of the quote), and C (second and third-hand). A + B + C = I doubt the authenticity of the quote.
Dobgertt,
this is now my last comment on the matter, which you then are welcome to have all to yourself:
The Caucasian race has its origins in the vast area beween Iceland and Ireland in the north-west and India and Bangladesh in the south east.
Thus, Caucasians of Colour (or their ancestors) originate from the southern portion of that area, roughly between southern Europe and northern India. Southern India and parts of Eastern India are NOT populated by Caucasians but by Dravidians instead.
@120:
“OK, I’ll bite…how is “Caucasian” used in Germany? The only meaning of “Kaukasier” I’m aware of is literally someone hailing from the Caucasus. Which ain’t you.”
The correct German translation for “Caucasian” is NOT “Kaukasisch” (which is a nonsense term) but “Europid” or, alternatively, Indo-European, named in this manner because the members of the Caucasian race originate from the area extending from Europe to India.
Especially for Dogbertt (who is fluent in German, Dutch and Korean) I insert a link in German to an article about Europids from which I take the decisive quote:
“Der Bereich des anthropologisch durch seine Körpermerkmale als Europide definierten Menschen erstreckt sich über Europa, das Mittelmeer, Westasien und Südasien.”
Roughly translates as:
Europids (Caucasians) originate from Europe, the Mediterranean Basin, West Asia and South Asia.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europid
I hope this clarifies the matter. And it is also the last thing I’m going to say in this thread, because, unlike Dogbertt, I have at least some ambition not to bore the readers here with discussions about topics nobody cares about except the disputants themselves…
And bum, as Daniel Barenblatt noted, the issue of media credibility isn’t limited to South Korea. I sometimes doubt stories in the US media because of bias/agenda and sloppiness in checking the accuracy of facts.
dogbertt, have you seen the Spanish football team, the Italian football team? The Portugese football team?
Very odd, their complexion, versus the German team or the English or the Swedish team, right?
Doggy, you would say the Turkish team isn’t a European team, right?
Okay, let’s creep a little closer, you tell me when to stop.
Albania, Bosnia?
Go a little further back?
Tunisia, Algeria?
Where does the pure white line begin, Dogbertt?
Please tell us how the Italians and Spanish look a couple shades darker, and how come the US is so adament about putting a clear line between Non Hispanic White and Hispanics?
Hispanics is such a basket term.
You’re clearly one of the most racist I’ve encountered.
I personally never heard of anyone complaining that southern California wasn’t as white as it used to be, and the whites had to flee because of the East Asians.
I mean, I sensed it, noticing the trend, but shucks for them. The places the East Asians took up aren’t neighborhoods today where you get shot. Whitey just got scared.
Who cares what this idiot thinks. Happens all the time in America. White wife leaves because of the big black man. White man gets angry… In fact there’s a subculture of cuckoldry here… a lot of white husbands enjoy seeing their wives get banged by black guys? WHY??
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