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		<title>By: The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Korean Sailors Freed</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-116344</link>
		<dc:creator>The Marmot&#8217;s Hole &#187; Korean Sailors Freed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 00:21:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a day old, but late then never.  I mentioned in a previous post the plight of four Korean sailors who have been held captive in Somalia for 5 months while the [...]</description>
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		<title>By: user-81</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-112798</link>
		<dc:creator>user-81</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:51:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Careb:
&lt;blockquote&gt;sailors = poor; religion not essential to hostage taking

missionaries = middle class; wealthy church; religion critical factor in abduction

removing the obvious overtones of faith, it’s like a lot of Korea, a class issue. nothing more.

and then, lastly, there is that pesky matter of the 24 people who are not of the Han. to get involved in something potentially messy to free 4 poor boys from a poor company and not also attempt to free those ‘other’ people would be just a little more international criticism than ol’ So-Ko can handle at the moment what with bending over for the Taliban and Crazy Mr Kim from the North.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The handling of a similar Somali incident last year involved the boat owner paying a ransom of $800K to rescue a crew that included Chinese, Indonesians, and Vietnamese. 

http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2006/08/06/freed_s_korean_trawler_arrives_in_kenya/2168/print_view/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Careb:</p>
<blockquote><p>sailors = poor; religion not essential to hostage taking</p>
<p>missionaries = middle class; wealthy church; religion critical factor in abduction</p>
<p>removing the obvious overtones of faith, it’s like a lot of Korea, a class issue. nothing more.</p>
<p>and then, lastly, there is that pesky matter of the 24 people who are not of the Han. to get involved in something potentially messy to free 4 poor boys from a poor company and not also attempt to free those ‘other’ people would be just a little more international criticism than ol’ So-Ko can handle at the moment what with bending over for the Taliban and Crazy Mr Kim from the North.</p></blockquote>
<p>The handling of a similar Somali incident last year involved the boat owner paying a ransom of $800K to rescue a crew that included Chinese, Indonesians, and Vietnamese. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2006/08/06/freed_s_korean_trawler_arrives_in_kenya/2168/print_view/" rel="nofollow">http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/T.....rint_view/</a></p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-112797</link>
		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 20:32:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>bum, if you're gonna be a doctor, the only language you need is English and Spanish in America.  French is literally of no use whatsoever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>bum, if you&#8217;re gonna be a doctor, the only language you need is English and Spanish in America.  French is literally of no use whatsoever.</p>
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		<title>By: ul</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-112795</link>
		<dc:creator>ul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>^ " for their own citizens..."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>^ &#8221; for their own citizens&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: ul</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-112794</link>
		<dc:creator>ul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 18:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sigh...  These people were sent to work there for the ROK and this is how the government treats them.  And weren't there other kidnapping cases around this area before?  ROK has an interesting way of valuing people.  Hope the hostages can get released.  If they got money to burn for DPRK, why not a few of their own citizens...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sigh&#8230;  These people were sent to work there for the ROK and this is how the government treats them.  And weren&#8217;t there other kidnapping cases around this area before?  ROK has an interesting way of valuing people.  Hope the hostages can get released.  If they got money to burn for DPRK, why not a few of their own citizens&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Careb</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-112792</link>
		<dc:creator>Careb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:10:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oh and lets also not forget that a lot of the "humanitarian activists" who went to Afghanistan to "help" with their invaluable and irreplaceable "assistance" were also young women. 

&lt;strong&gt;AND NOTHING&lt;/strong&gt; gets the wheels greased faster &lt;strike&gt;and political boners harder&lt;/strike&gt; than the idea of a bunch of gun wielding savages from a 'lesser' dogma preventing cutie-pie well-to-do girls who come from happy Christian home who are being prevented from eating and shitting properly&#8212;men dig that crap. and politicians are mostly men. it's a silly damsel in distress parable.

those sailors would stand a much better chance if they had stopped off in Thailand first for a few "operations" to tie the crew over for the long nights at sea.

all this being said, i've got sympathy in my little toe for those guys in Somalia than i could ever muster in my entire life for those &lt;strike&gt;idiots&lt;/strike&gt; people taken hostage in Afghanistan.

i hope someone will take their (the sailors) plight seriously.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oh and lets also not forget that a lot of the &#8220;humanitarian activists&#8221; who went to Afghanistan to &#8220;help&#8221; with their invaluable and irreplaceable &#8220;assistance&#8221; were also young women. </p>
<p><strong>AND NOTHING</strong> gets the wheels greased faster <strike>and political boners harder</strike> than the idea of a bunch of gun wielding savages from a &#8216;lesser&#8217; dogma preventing cutie-pie well-to-do girls who come from happy Christian home who are being prevented from eating and shitting properly&#8212;men dig that crap. and politicians are mostly men. it&#8217;s a silly damsel in distress parable.</p>
<p>those sailors would stand a much better chance if they had stopped off in Thailand first for a few &#8220;operations&#8221; to tie the crew over for the long nights at sea.</p>
<p>all this being said, i&#8217;ve got sympathy in my little toe for those guys in Somalia than i could ever muster in my entire life for those <strike>idiots</strike> people taken hostage in Afghanistan.</p>
<p>i hope someone will take their (the sailors) plight seriously.</p>
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		<title>By: bumfromkorea</title>
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		<dc:creator>bumfromkorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 17:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES!  I completely understood that conversation!!!  Perhaps this is a sign that will motivate me to finish my French minor degree?... (3 more classes, damn it!)

Was there any reasoning behind the figure of $57,000, or was it just random stuff?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES!  I completely understood that conversation!!!  Perhaps this is a sign that will motivate me to finish my French minor degree?&#8230; (3 more classes, damn it!)</p>
<p>Was there any reasoning behind the figure of $57,000, or was it just random stuff?</p>
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		<title>By: Careb</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-112789</link>
		<dc:creator>Careb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 16:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;
the wife of one of the hostages stating “They sent a presidential envoy and the chief of the NIS (to Afghanistan) and freed them in 42 days. But why are they leaving the crew members, who btw went there to earn a living, in captivity for 150 days?”
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

sailors = poor; religion not essential to hostage taking

missionaries = middle class; wealthy church; religion critical factor in abduction

removing the obvious overtones of faith, it's like a lot of Korea, a class issue. nothing more.

and i'm quite certain that if Mr. Ahn had more wealth that would kick something into gear. but likely, the two trawlers are the only ones he owns ...

and then, lastly, there is that pesky matter of the 24 people who are not of the Han. to get involved in something potentially messy to free 4 poor boys from a poor company and &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; also attempt to free those 'other' people would be just a little more international criticism than ol' So-Ko can handle at the moment what with bending over for the Taliban &lt;em&gt;and&lt;/em&gt; Crazy Mr Kim from the North. 

deciding to "'forget' about the hostages and hope that the problem will go away" is a common theme of the ruling class &lt;strike&gt;here&lt;/strike&gt; when people of "lesser means" get in a jam.</description>
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the wife of one of the hostages stating “They sent a presidential envoy and the chief of the NIS (to Afghanistan) and freed them in 42 days. But why are they leaving the crew members, who btw went there to earn a living, in captivity for 150 days?”
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<p>sailors = poor; religion not essential to hostage taking</p>
<p>missionaries = middle class; wealthy church; religion critical factor in abduction</p>
<p>removing the obvious overtones of faith, it&#8217;s like a lot of Korea, a class issue. nothing more.</p>
<p>and i&#8217;m quite certain that if Mr. Ahn had more wealth that would kick something into gear. but likely, the two trawlers are the only ones he owns &#8230;</p>
<p>and then, lastly, there is that pesky matter of the 24 people who are not of the Han. to get involved in something potentially messy to free 4 poor boys from a poor company and <strong>not</strong> also attempt to free those &#8216;other&#8217; people would be just a little more international criticism than ol&#8217; So-Ko can handle at the moment what with bending over for the Taliban <em>and</em> Crazy Mr Kim from the North. </p>
<p>deciding to &#8220;&#8216;forget&#8217; about the hostages and hope that the problem will go away&#8221; is a common theme of the ruling class <strike>here</strike> when people of &#8220;lesser means&#8221; get in a jam.</p>
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		<title>By: seouldout</title>
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		<dc:creator>seouldout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who's next to comment, &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRNKWjk86es" rel="nofollow"&gt;Sébastien Chabal&lt;/a&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who&#8217;s next to comment, <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRNKWjk86es" rel="nofollow">Sébastien Chabal</a>?</p>
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		<title>By: Left Flank &#187; Seoul&#8217;s Geopolitics of Ransom</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/15/the-other-hostage-crisis/#comment-112783</link>
		<dc:creator>Left Flank &#187; Seoul&#8217;s Geopolitics of Ransom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Oct 2007 12:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] As three Talibs brag about how much evil South Korean ransom buys&#160;(via Lost Nomad), South Korean hostages not fortunate enough to be kidnapped in Afghanistan or to be recruited from a rich congregation in Seoul, have languished in limbo since May, 2007. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] As three Talibs brag about how much evil South Korean ransom buys&nbsp;(via Lost Nomad), South Korean hostages not fortunate enough to be kidnapped in Afghanistan or to be recruited from a rich congregation in Seoul, have languished in limbo since May, 2007. [...]</p>
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