Sorry… More Summit Notes

More summit notes. Because there’s just so much crap out there.

  • Is Kim Jong-il hitting the sauce again? Novelist Jo “We Koreans Suffered 10 Times More than the Jews” Jung-rae (I really need to stop making fun of him for that, lest readers forget he’s actually a really good novelist, regardless of his politics), who was part of the unofficial team of politicians, businessmen, cultural figures and religious leaders who accompanied President Roh up North, said Kim Jong-il appeared quite healthy. In fact, said Jo, his handshake was so firm it almost crushed his hand. But more to our interest, he said, “His voice, too, was so loud it filled up the hall. And he ceaselessly drank wine, showing off his high drinking capacity; if he wasn’t healthy, he couldn’t never do that.”
  • During a session of the National Assembly Committee on Unification, Foreign Affairs and Trade, Unification Minister Lee Jae-joung said the proposal to hold “three or four party talks” to replace the armistice regime on the Korean Peninsula was initially made by the North. When asked who the parties would be, Lee avoided specifics, saying, “It would depend on the situation, but as parties, North and South Korea would take the initiative in discussions and relevant nations would participate… Because a declaration to end the war and discussions to build a peace regime are different cases, it’s not a situation where I can clearly say.”
  • Cheong Wa Dae was a bit more specific — a presidential spokesman said during a regular briefing today that that the North recognized the South as an interested party in the armistice regime, and that “three party talks” would “naturally” include both Koreas and the United States. He said China could be included or excluded — if Beijing wanted in, it could be included.
  • Well, this might be of interest — regarding the “three or four parties,” Kyungnam University professor Kim Geun-sik, who was part of the unofficial team that went North with President Roh, said he “indirectly heard” that Kim Jong-il expressed interest in excluding the Chinese. Speaking at Pai Chai University, Kim said it was actually President Roh who “watered down” the discussion to four parties out of concern that excluding China would create a diplomatic stir. KJI was also the one who proposed regular “prime minister-level” meetings to add strength to the intra-Korean relationship, said Kim. He also noted that North Korean officials told their Southern counterparts not to use the words “reform” or “opening.” The professor explained that North Korea was asking that the South give up its intention to transform or collapse the North Korea regime and acknowledge and respect the North Korean system at a time when Pyongyang was normalizing its relationship with the United States by abandoning its nuclear program and reviving its economy through North-South economic cooperation.
  • South Korean taxpayers, rejoice! Cheong Wa Dae said South Korean taxpayers would not have to foot the bill for the intra-Korean economic projects agreed upon during the summit. During the regular briefing mentioned above, Cheong Wa Dae said these projects would be approached through private investment in which companies would invest based on profit. Upgrading the rail link between Kaesong and Shunuiju and the highway between Pyongyang and Kaesong would require state funds, but even this would be to the South’s benefit, he said, as it expand South Korea’s economic influence to Northeast Asia. The Korea Times, however, reports that bankers and analysts in South think international lending institutions will pass on these intra-Korean economic projects, and most of the costs will likely get dumped on — you guessed it — the taxpayer. The Chosun Ilbo also reports that South Korean businesses are iffy about investing in the North. I guess we’ll have to see.
  • The main opposition Grand National Party is skeptical, too, asking whether so-called “economic cooperation” is nothing more that one-way aid in disguise. The GNP also noted that any declaration to end the Korean War or economic cooperation must be predicated on North Korea giving up its nuclear program, and that the party would look into whether the issues regarding the joint declaration accorded were constitution and whether they required citizen or parliamentary approval. In particular, the GNP is concerned that a) the declaration reveals the intention to push for the creation of a low-level “federation system” on the peninsula; b) the agreement not to intervene in each other’s internal affairs is actually a promise not to raise the North Korean human rights issue; c) the creation of a joint fishing zone in the West Sea might include the intention to render powerless the NLL; d) any declaration to the end of the Korean War must be predicated on an apology from Pyongyang for invading the South, the abandonment of its nuclear program and the repatriation of abductees and POWs; and e) plans for joint use of the Han River estuary might weaken Seoul’s defensive line. Huh, maybe the GNP isn’t so happy with the summit results after all?
  • President Roh has instructed his cabinet to come up with a “roadmap” to implement his summit agreement with North Korea. “Roh stressed a road map for inter-Korean cooperation is necessary to prevent confusion for the next administration.” Gee, you think?
  • You can get a much less cynical view of the summit results via the Ministry of Unification… in English!
  • Defense Minister Kim Jang-soo apparently did raise the issue of POWs during the talks, asking his Northern counterpart if he wouldn’t mind checking if South Korean POWs were still alive in the North. He also asked him to consider mail exchanges, reunions and repatriation. His counterpart responded with a nod and nothing else. Kim also said Roh discussed the matter with Kim Jong-il.
  • Families of South Koreans abducted by the North are pissed off and holding relay hunger strikes in front of Cheong Wa Dae.
  • Some choice quotes — in English — from the Korea Times.
  • There are actually two versions of the joint declaration signed in Pyongyang, each one taking into account the slightly different terminology, spelling and points of political correctness in North and South. Kind of nifty, really.
  • Gee, someone’s a bit angry.

More later. If I feel like it.

19 Comments

  1. Paul H.
    Posted October 5, 2007 at 11:59 pm | Permalink

    “…he [KJI] ceaselessly drank wine, showing off his high drinking capacity; if he wasn’t healthy, he [could] never do that….”

    In vino veritas. Surely there must a Korean proverbial equivalent?

  2. SomeguyinKorea
    Posted October 6, 2007 at 9:58 am | Permalink

    “His voice, too, was so loud it filled up the hall. And he ceaselessly drank wine, showing off his high drinking capacity; if he wasn’t healthy, he couldn’t never do that.”

    Did it even occur to him that his wine might not even be wine at all?

  3. Wedge
    Posted October 6, 2007 at 11:21 am | Permalink

    #2: That’s what I was thinking. Welch’s, anyone?

  4. snow
    Posted October 6, 2007 at 3:10 pm | Permalink

    “His voice, too, was so loud it filled up the hall. And he ceaselessly drank wine, showing off his high drinking capacity; if he wasn’t healthy, he couldn’t never do that.”

    Hah, tell that to some of the heavy drinkers up in Northern Canada. Most are not in the best of health but they can drink almost anybody under the table. An old bush pilot buddy of my dad’s could still down a 40 of whiskey and more several days running even until near the end. He was certainly not the type to go out with a whimper. So why couldn’t an old bastard like KJI put away heavy amounts of drink, after all, he’s the leader of a country and has had anything and everything he’s wanted (girls, drink) his whole life (it’s disgusting that this piece of crap has lived better than most people, except for his probably great fear of having his head blown off-I hope he lives with that fear constantly).

  5. snow
    Posted October 6, 2007 at 3:16 pm | Permalink

    “It would depend on the situation, but as parties, North and South Korea would take the initiative in discussions and relevant nations would participate… Because a declaration to end the war and discussions to build a peace regime are different cases, it’s not a situation where I can clearly say.”

    I fear that the US will be (willingly) railroaded into all of this ahead of any substantive progress on the nuclear issue. If the US balks, it will be spun as US stubborness to ‘talk’. As usual, the US will be made to look like the bad guy unless they go along with this charade. A peace treaty and no progress on the North’s nukes? Sounds possible to me. Give away yet another bargaining chip. What else will we have?

  6. Posted October 6, 2007 at 8:47 pm | Permalink

    3-party talks towards Peace on the Peninsula don’t make any sense to me at all, no matter who the three are said to be. They must be 6-party negotiations to have any chance of an enduring effect, in a strict 2 + 2 + 2 format — SK and NK at the core really making the deal, the USA and China standing behind them as highly interested negotiators and then enforcers of the deal, and then Japan and Russia sitting in as highly interested observers, enforcers and financiers. And once the deal is made the UN could certainly have a useful role…

  7. benkaiser
    Posted October 6, 2007 at 11:46 pm | Permalink

    I m just wondering why the Chinese are almost always vilified by the Koreans?

  8. Posted October 6, 2007 at 11:53 pm | Permalink

    Are they? I haven’t heard/read so much of that. Surely less than of the Jp or the US Gov/Army… And i’ve noted quite a lot of admiration/envy of China & its culture alongside it.

    Such a long & close & complex relationship as that between Chinese and Koreans is bound to engender lots of all sorts of emotions and opinions.

  9. Posted October 7, 2007 at 12:40 am | Permalink

    Families of South Koreans abducted by the North are pissed off and holding relay hunger strikes in front of Cheong Wa Dae.

    WTF is a relay hunger strike? One imagines “Ok Jin-ho, you go on hunger strike from 12:00-1:30, I’ll take it from 1:30 - 03:00 Mal-Sook will take the next shift… That’ll show them.”

  10. Posted October 7, 2007 at 8:35 am | Permalink

    Do you have any English-language translation on the part about “He also noted that North Korean officials told their Southern counterparts not to use the words “reform” or “opening.” The professor explained that North Korea was asking that the South give up its intention to transform or collapse the North Korea regime and acknowledge and respect the North Korean system”

    This could make a big difference in my IR honors thesis…and I need all the help I can get. email me johnak at sas dot upenn dot edu pretty pretty please

  11. Posted October 7, 2007 at 9:42 am | Permalink

    For a Commie like Jo, seeing a pure Communist in his mind like Kim Jongil can be a life-changing experience. If Kim allowed Jo, he would have ….. You know what I mean.

    See Jo has not seen his countrymen suffering in the Concentration camp for just talking about Communism’s shortcommings or Kim’s family’s long dictatorship.

    All he sees is a Korean leader (whose father was a Russian Lieutent, hardly a Korean patriot) who will chase out evil foreigners.

    Jo is a still living through a boxer-rebellion of 19th century.

    When he sees his family starving to death under the Great Leader who wants people to work on Arirang performance 24/7 instead of producing cars and electronics, then suddenly he will turn int an anti-Communist with vengeance.

    Jo doesn’t know what is seeing. He probably never travelled outside Korea. He is a typical “frog in a well”. He is not much different from an average North Korean.

  12. Posted October 7, 2007 at 9:47 am | Permalink

    “roadmap” to implement his summit agreement with North Korea? In two months?

    Fucking A.

    Rho’s promise only give Kim Jongil to take SK to cleaners. Kim will say “You guys promised. So pay off. Or else…”

    If you sell something to a GodFather, he will be very angry when SK doesn’t deliver. It makes him look bad. He will feel cheated.

    Kim may order a hit on Rho’s residence. For making him look bad.

  13. Posted October 7, 2007 at 9:50 am | Permalink

    “Pay up” instead of “pay off”.

    Kim DaeJung and Rho Muheyn should sell their houses, jewels, retirement pay and what have you to pay Kim Jongil.

    They promised these monies to Kim, not Korean public.

    Koreans had enough of these jokers.

  14. Posted October 7, 2007 at 10:04 am | Permalink

    Even Kim Jongil may not understand that Rho is fucking him over by promising these wonderful things and not deliver.

    Korean congress is ready to defeat this agreement.

    No Korean company I know has come out to increase their investment in North Korea. Huyndai Asan is the only one. But, they have to do that anyway because their main business is NK tourism. Last time I checked the company was going broke anyway.

    No money.

    These things Rho promised are either pipe dreams or lies designed to make Kim look bad. A kind of con job.

    Korean Commies are cons anyway. You cannot trust any of these guys.

    When Kim finds out Rho pulled a quick one, he will demand Rho to personally live up to his end of the deal.

    Rho may have to commit suicide to atone for his sins - lying to the Great Leader of the 21st century, a demi-god.

    If he doesn’t, Kim will send his assassins to do the job. Not only Rho but his family as well.

    Rho made a big mistake. He crossed the GodFather.

  15. Posted October 7, 2007 at 10:12 am | Permalink

    What jokers like Rho and Jo do not know is that Kim is a king. He has absolute power on who lives and who dies.

    Since these losers have never lived in NK, they dream about the wonderful life of Brotherhood. And, social justice (get the rich and kill ‘em).

    They have never met a king - up to now.

    A king can kill anyone who he does not like. Even those on his side, when they fail. A king has an image to live up to.

    Rho and his cronies did something that they have no idea. They just thought a king would be happy if they bring these presents.

    Well, a king can get very angry when he realize he was conned.

  16. soondae
    Posted October 8, 2007 at 11:00 pm | Permalink

    #4 ”So why couldn’t an old bastard like KJI put away heavy amounts of drink, after all, he’s the leader of a country and has had anything and everything he’s wanted (girls, drink) his whole life (it’s disgusting that this piece of crap has lived better than most people, except for his probably great fear of having his head blown off-I hope he lives with that fear constantly).”

    Agree.

    How do the Christians explain this clown, and NK in general?

  17. Paul H.
    Posted October 9, 2007 at 12:21 am | Permalink

    “How do the Christians explain this clown, and NK in general?”

    Well, if this is a serious question, I wouldn’t use the word “clown” (a perfectly respectable profession in my book).

    Other than that: “Better to reign in hell than serve in heaven”.

  18. Posted October 9, 2007 at 2:26 am | Permalink

    “How do the Christians explain this clown, and NK in general?”

    See Romans 1:18-32 for my understanding of most of the political problems we face today, including both KJI and Senator Craig (R-ID).

    Rather than quoting Milton like Paul did (and a great quote it was!), I’d suggest a careful study of the Bible (take your pick of translations at http://www.biblegateway.com) shows even the faithful (listed in Hebrews Chapter 11) were far from perfect (Noah got drunk and misbehaved, Abraham lied about his wife, Lot got drunk and misbehaved, David committed adultery and murder, etc.). Sin exists in the world since Adam and Eve disobeyed the only rule in the garden (Genesis Chapter 3). God is merciful and allows us enough time to repent (or not) before we get the opportunity to explain ourselves (2 Peter Chapter 3)…

    Rather than worrying about how well someone else is obeying the Bible, Christians are probably better off telling folks about the good news (like Matthew 28:16-32 commands) and striving to be a good example (like Romans 12:1-2). There’s enough work there to keep anyone busy full time–at least in my life.

    And we’re not to brag about any goodness we have (Ephesians 2:8-9) because it was not our efforts…

    Okay, back to work now… ;-)

  19. soondae
    Posted October 9, 2007 at 9:38 pm | Permalink

    It was meant as a serious question, especially as some of the most vehement modern age Christian groups are in the south. And the question is not to be confined to christians only. I am sure there are many well-thought out answers, but I just have not heard them. Particulary when it comes to the suffering of the northern brethen. A guess, and my knowlege of the Old and New Testament is woefully inadequate, is that it has something to do with suffering down through three generations for the sins of a few. I’m also perplexed as to why the likes of KJI and, even more so, KIS, avowed atheists both, live(d)better lives than most people (as Snow states), if in fact there is a concerned deity watching over the show. How has this been explained off?

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