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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111753</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 02:15:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Let’s hope that Lee Myung-Bak is as pragmatic as many think he will be and will pursue a strategy that gets some return on the massive amounts of ROK’s taxpayers’ money being shoveled across the border."

Exactly what I've been talking about. A return on the investment. Funneling money into KJI's pocket is unlikely to have the desired effect of promoting unification or helping North Korean people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let’s hope that Lee Myung-Bak is as pragmatic as many think he will be and will pursue a strategy that gets some return on the massive amounts of ROK’s taxpayers’ money being shoveled across the border.&#8221;</p>
<p>Exactly what I&#8217;ve been talking about. A return on the investment. Funneling money into KJI&#8217;s pocket is unlikely to have the desired effect of promoting unification or helping North Korean people.</p>
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		<title>By: MigukNamja</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111748</link>
		<dc:creator>MigukNamja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 01:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: #17

captbbq,

That's the first cogent argument I've heard for funneling money into NK, assuming that South Korea can throw enough money and build enough Kaesongs to lay claim.

As such, the next Kaesong-type zone should be a 5-mile stretch of North Korea as it borders China.

Let's hope that Lee Myung-Bak is as pragmatic as many think he will be and will pursue a strategy that gets some return on the massive amounts of ROK's taxpayers' money being shoveled across the border.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: #17</p>
<p>captbbq,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the first cogent argument I&#8217;ve heard for funneling money into NK, assuming that South Korea can throw enough money and build enough Kaesongs to lay claim.</p>
<p>As such, the next Kaesong-type zone should be a 5-mile stretch of North Korea as it borders China.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s hope that Lee Myung-Bak is as pragmatic as many think he will be and will pursue a strategy that gets some return on the massive amounts of ROK&#8217;s taxpayers&#8217; money being shoveled across the border.</p>
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		<title>By: captbbq</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111717</link>
		<dc:creator>captbbq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the "starve it dead" strategy with North Korea is that it achieves its aim at ending the North Korean regime, at which point China rolls in in an oh-so humanitarian fashion to provide emergency governance to prevent the country from descending into anarchy. It's much easier for them to do so given their close ties and absence of a five mile mined stretch of "don't even think of crossing me " DMZ. At which point a stable Chinese puppet government is formed and unification is put off indefinitely.

In hind site of this, it would be better to feed a few babies in North Korea, those babies (unfortunately) not being human but metaphors for south Korean investments that will pay off by being little pockets of justification for South Korea to lay some sort of weak claim of right to help administer the country when it eventually does fail due to good old incompetence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the &#8220;starve it dead&#8221; strategy with North Korea is that it achieves its aim at ending the North Korean regime, at which point China rolls in in an oh-so humanitarian fashion to provide emergency governance to prevent the country from descending into anarchy. It&#8217;s much easier for them to do so given their close ties and absence of a five mile mined stretch of &#8220;don&#8217;t even think of crossing me &#8221; DMZ. At which point a stable Chinese puppet government is formed and unification is put off indefinitely.</p>
<p>In hind site of this, it would be better to feed a few babies in North Korea, those babies (unfortunately) not being human but metaphors for south Korean investments that will pay off by being little pockets of justification for South Korea to lay some sort of weak claim of right to help administer the country when it eventually does fail due to good old incompetence.</p>
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		<title>By: exit86</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111708</link>
		<dc:creator>exit86</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 14:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Am I the only person in this country (Korea) who gets the feeling this is all too good to be true?  All this stuff seems to have come on so suddenly and KJI
seems to be smiling and nodding too cordially.  I'm not understanding KJI'
s motivation here.  It all seems a bit off.  When I watched Roh and KJI walking side-by-side, I couldn't get over the differences in social status between these two Korean men.  Roh is an elected official with a permanent dorky smile who is on his way out (most likely); while KJI is very much god-like north of the border.  Every word this man says in his country is unquestionable.  everything he wants, he gets.  These are two very different men here.  I really want to get the NK media spin (the real media in NK
we can't see)on this entire business.  
Something smells fishy here . . . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Am I the only person in this country (Korea) who gets the feeling this is all too good to be true?  All this stuff seems to have come on so suddenly and KJI<br />
seems to be smiling and nodding too cordially.  I&#8217;m not understanding KJI&#8217;<br />
s motivation here.  It all seems a bit off.  When I watched Roh and KJI walking side-by-side, I couldn&#8217;t get over the differences in social status between these two Korean men.  Roh is an elected official with a permanent dorky smile who is on his way out (most likely); while KJI is very much god-like north of the border.  Every word this man says in his country is unquestionable.  everything he wants, he gets.  These are two very different men here.  I really want to get the NK media spin (the real media in NK<br />
we can&#8217;t see)on this entire business.<br />
Something smells fishy here . . . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111705</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:27:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why give so much for so little gain? Very, very little gets into the hands of the average North Korean (of the average $58 per month that workers at Kaesong receive, something like $50 goes to the government, and these few workers are vetted for 'loyalty'). Why prop up thugs who can't reform, even if they wanted to? Why not expect to receive something in return for all the giving? 

Pouring billions blindly into KJI's pockets hardly guarantees that reunification will be smooth. All these economic projects sound great, but I can't help thinking that they will be a convenient way to funnel cash to KJI and his cronies without really helping the average North Korean out in any way (and in fact hurting them as KJI will then be able to more effectively finance the stamping out of dissent). It's like pouring cash into a black hole and hoping that something good comes out of it. Why not expect to see real reforms to accompany all the free cash?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why give so much for so little gain? Very, very little gets into the hands of the average North Korean (of the average $58 per month that workers at Kaesong receive, something like $50 goes to the government, and these few workers are vetted for &#8216;loyalty&#8217;). Why prop up thugs who can&#8217;t reform, even if they wanted to? Why not expect to receive something in return for all the giving? </p>
<p>Pouring billions blindly into KJI&#8217;s pockets hardly guarantees that reunification will be smooth. All these economic projects sound great, but I can&#8217;t help thinking that they will be a convenient way to funnel cash to KJI and his cronies without really helping the average North Korean out in any way (and in fact hurting them as KJI will then be able to more effectively finance the stamping out of dissent). It&#8217;s like pouring cash into a black hole and hoping that something good comes out of it. Why not expect to see real reforms to accompany all the free cash?</p>
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		<title>By: Hatch SZ</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111704</link>
		<dc:creator>Hatch SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 13:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aid will prolong the regime and fewer people in the short term will die than before. But is a case where 70,000 people per year over the next 40 years die because of starvation or actively hostile actions of the NK government better than a case where 100,000 people on average (highly variable) die over the next ten years and then many fewer people die thereafter (due to regime change)?

Those numbers were just tossed off the top of my head, but the point is there. Kim will not reform the economy in any meaningful way.

Aid is nice, but I am for being vigilant to make sure aid gets where it needs to go and ending the regime as soon as possible.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aid will prolong the regime and fewer people in the short term will die than before. But is a case where 70,000 people per year over the next 40 years die because of starvation or actively hostile actions of the NK government better than a case where 100,000 people on average (highly variable) die over the next ten years and then many fewer people die thereafter (due to regime change)?</p>
<p>Those numbers were just tossed off the top of my head, but the point is there. Kim will not reform the economy in any meaningful way.</p>
<p>Aid is nice, but I am for being vigilant to make sure aid gets where it needs to go and ending the regime as soon as possible.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111700</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So this summit is little more than a chance to offer billions while he promises little in return other than platitudes."

Well, it is a chance for a better future for both Koreas. So what that it cost a few billions of dollars? In the bigger picture of things, it is worth it.

Even if KJI doesn't reform his economy overnight, these economic agreements will still bringing in money into the hands of the poor people of NK(though, some of it will most likely goes to the government, but still better than nothing)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So this summit is little more than a chance to offer billions while he promises little in return other than platitudes.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, it is a chance for a better future for both Koreas. So what that it cost a few billions of dollars? In the bigger picture of things, it is worth it.</p>
<p>Even if KJI doesn&#8217;t reform his economy overnight, these economic agreements will still bringing in money into the hands of the poor people of NK(though, some of it will most likely goes to the government, but still better than nothing)</p>
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		<title>By: snow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111696</link>
		<dc:creator>snow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 11:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"So, by encouraging economic development through aid and economic co-operation, SK is making sure reunification becomes a smooth transition."

That's the theory, anyway. Never mind that KJI is not interested in reforming his economy, only to have a few economic zones and other projects funneling money to him directly, while the rest of the country remains sealed off and as isolated as possible. If he actually began to reform the economy, he'd be dead meat. So this summit is little more than a chance to offer billions while he promises little in return other than platitudes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;So, by encouraging economic development through aid and economic co-operation, SK is making sure reunification becomes a smooth transition.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the theory, anyway. Never mind that KJI is not interested in reforming his economy, only to have a few economic zones and other projects funneling money to him directly, while the rest of the country remains sealed off and as isolated as possible. If he actually began to reform the economy, he&#8217;d be dead meat. So this summit is little more than a chance to offer billions while he promises little in return other than platitudes.</p>
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		<title>By: otoritakeo</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111687</link>
		<dc:creator>otoritakeo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:34:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"If SK keeps supporting NK like this, will this not prolong NK’s survival? Why is the South being so short-sighted…aside from Roh being KJI’s gimp?"

By stressing economic co-operation, I think SK wants NK to move away from the planned economic system to embrace the market economy (free economy). 

Currently, if reunification were to occur, it would be a HUGE financial and social burden on SK with the influx of immigrants, most of whom will be unskilled. Also, SK would have to build new infrastructure, educate the masses on the capitalist system, educate the masses on basic skills taken granted by the developed world, etc. etc. basically spending trillions of dollars. (Like what happened when the Berlin Wall fell- only way more)

So, by encouraging economic development through aid and economic co-operation, SK is making sure reunification becomes a smooth transition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If SK keeps supporting NK like this, will this not prolong NK’s survival? Why is the South being so short-sighted…aside from Roh being KJI’s gimp?&#8221;</p>
<p>By stressing economic co-operation, I think SK wants NK to move away from the planned economic system to embrace the market economy (free economy). </p>
<p>Currently, if reunification were to occur, it would be a HUGE financial and social burden on SK with the influx of immigrants, most of whom will be unskilled. Also, SK would have to build new infrastructure, educate the masses on the capitalist system, educate the masses on basic skills taken granted by the developed world, etc. etc. basically spending trillions of dollars. (Like what happened when the Berlin Wall fell- only way more)</p>
<p>So, by encouraging economic development through aid and economic co-operation, SK is making sure reunification becomes a smooth transition.</p>
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		<title>By: Hwarang</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/10/04/summit-final-day-notes/#comment-111686</link>
		<dc:creator>Hwarang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Oct 2007 10:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe they agreed to count North and South Korea as ONE participant.  The article also noted: "The South agreed to use the words, 'to occasionally meet,' considering the North's position that it can't use the expression 'regularly scheduled meetings' because the inter-Korean relations are not relations between two different nations."

Nevermind the fact that this argument doesn't make any sense.  It's like saying you can't regularly meet your nonexistent friend because he doesn't exist, so instead you'll only meet your nonexistent friend occasionally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe they agreed to count North and South Korea as ONE participant.  The article also noted: &#8220;The South agreed to use the words, &#8216;to occasionally meet,&#8217; considering the North&#8217;s position that it can&#8217;t use the expression &#8216;regularly scheduled meetings&#8217; because the inter-Korean relations are not relations between two different nations.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nevermind the fact that this argument doesn&#8217;t make any sense.  It&#8217;s like saying you can&#8217;t regularly meet your nonexistent friend because he doesn&#8217;t exist, so instead you&#8217;ll only meet your nonexistent friend occasionally.</p>
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