The logo for the ROKS Dokdo(pic below) has been showing up in Korean Internet sites and has caused a bit of a stir in China. The reason? The logo shows the Korean flag overlapping China on the map of NE Asia, and this has made some Chinese unhappy such as a sister publication of the People’s Daily which had this to say regarding the logo.
As a result of recent economic growth, nationalism is rising in Korea. In the logo, the Korean flag is covering China and from this, we can assume that Korea is trying to use its seapower to control the waters around NE Asia
Other Chinese personalities have chipped in by stating that they are concerned with rising nationalism in Korea, and how it is affecting its domestic and foreign policies.
Korean netizens on the other hand are applauding the logo and some are even suggesting that the angle of the ship be changed so that it also covers Japan. Others are stating that they are “offended” by the Chinese reaction and that the Chinese should mind their own business.
All in all, not a sensible move by the ROKN and it will be interesting to see whether the ROKN keeps the logo as it is or modifies it to suit Chinese sensibilites.
If the ROKN does decide to modify the logo, they may also want to edit the current motto; “Lead Fleet, Command Sea, Project Power”. The logo’s a symbol of the ROKN not thinking things through and the Konglish phrases doesn’t help matters.
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Imagine a logo for the Japanese defense fleet with a flag covering Korea. Just, for a few seconds, imagine that.
Wow… I can understand why the Chinese are offended by that.
I’m willing to give the ROK Navy the benefit of the doubt and put this in the column of sloppiness. After all, they want to have the element of the ship in there, and the Korean peninsula visible in the context of its neighbors. Where does that leave room for the flag? Top left and lower right — pick one.
The ship’s motto is sloppy too.
The Chinese are like Korean taxi drivers, recklessly flouting every rule in the book. But THEY are the first to flail their disapproval when you cut THEM off.
Them stew in it for a while.
#4,
Agree with you. Let them stew and fix it later. Also agree that it’s probably not intentional and sloppy per ROK Navy.
That is something that most Koreans are unable to do. Someone should do some social research on the subject because there must be some reason that Koreans lack empathy of this type.
That is wonderful design made by a proud Korean.
Are the Mongolians also offended?
Does the navy have a gift shop? I’d love a tshirt with this design on it. And a few in smaller sizes, for my sister’s kids.
I think they should turn the boat around, so that the back end is up at the top left-hand corner. That would make it look like it’s coming from somewhere, not coming back from somewhere. Also, they could zoom in and make Korea bigger on the map in the background and have the flag covering the East Sea/Sea of Japan as well as the rocks the bloody ship is named after.
Fixed!
#10 — Yeah, but now the helicopter is encroaching on Chinese airspace. This insult to the Proud and Noble Chinese People will not stand!
How long will it take the NORKS to sink it in battle?
Yeah, it’s kind of weird to have their flag blended into China. It insinuates that Korea is China and since most of us dumb Americans can’t find either Korea or China on a map it is very confusing!
Change it for DUMB AMERICANS now!!!!
I think the point of the logo was to demonstrate the ROKN’s intention to convert from “green water navy” (Defense of one’s own maritime territory) to “blue water navy” (sustained operation range beyond the maritime territory).
But definitely sign of sloppiness there. Maybe they can shift the map of the logo to exclude China? It’ll still show Yellow Sea, East Sea (^^), West Pacific, etc. which will fulfill the original intent (that I’ve amateurishly speculated)…
Yeah, that map should be smaller-scale, showing more of the ocean — and the flag smaller, covering sea areas only.
#10 Even worse, that helicopter seems to be heading for Vietnam!
Sorry, in reply to #11
Zonath and globalv,
You guys are failing to see the cool part of the updated pic in #10. If you drink a couple of beers and stare at the photo long enough, Japan looks like a plume of smoke coming out of the ship.
Again, drink a couple of beers first to gain full appreciation.
#18.
I haven’t had a beer but yes Japan does look like a plume of smoke coming out of the ship’s funnel.
One question though, what happened to the ship’s masts?
Good question. Blame Japan (or Hoegaarden).
And for god’s sake, get on that beer already.
#20.
Interesting concept. Blaming Japan for exerting a mysterious force which made you photochop the ships’s masts.
Iceberg
What is your nationality? I have to go in front of the embassy of your nation, chop my finger, and sent my pinky to the ambassador.
Burning the flag is optional.
Best
#22.
That’s my story and I’m sticking to it.
tomojiro,
I’m American, so rather than sending your finger to the ambassador, just serve it in a bowl of chili. That’ll garner more attention.
p.s. - I’ve moved on from Hoegaarden to Birra Moretti, a smooth Italian lager. Lovely.
“I’m American, so rather than sending your finger to the ambassador, just serve it in a bowl of chili. That’ll garner more attention.”
Thanks for the tips. It’s fascinating how each nation has its own “recipy” to handle chopped fingers…
A thoughtless designer, no doubt. Nonetheless, probably not a real good idea to heckle China the way Japan has been heckled.
There was another broo ha ha just recently when a Korean navy ship docked in a Chinese harbor. The Chinese were furious because the Korean flag on the Korean ship was taller than the Chinese flag. To them, it meant that Korea was claiming Chinese territories as their own.
While I see how a map of East Asia with countries and see look more “fitting” for a ship, it would have been much simpler to have a logo with the Korean peninsula only, much larger of course than in this logo.
Shakuhachi, in your view, why are Koreans lacking in “empathy of this type?”
What is this mysterious “East Sea” so many are referring to?
#30 - The East Sae is, of course, the easternmost sea in the world.
Notice that the Korean flag does not cover all of China. The northern part of China, including the Liaodong Peninsula, is as white as North and South Korea, which suggests that the flag was used to demarcate what Koreans believe to be their territory in northern China. However, instead of blatantly covering the Korean peninsula and northern China with the Korean flag, the Koreans seem to have tried to use subtlety by covering up, instead, what they do not believe to be their territory. Now, apparently, that tricky little plan seems to have backfired.
Moving the flag does look worse, but yeah, at the same time it’s understandable offending.
tomojiro,
Sorry I’m not too familiar with Asian/Japanese jokes, but could you explain the background to the whole pinky thing? I’m curious because it’s not the first time I’ve heard someone say it before, and I was unable to follow along in on the joke :(. I mean, I’ve heard of old stories in Japan that had a girlfriend sending her cut pinkie finger to her boyfriend/fiance because he cheated on her, is there some innuendo or history from that?
All I could find on recent events was about Japanese sending their pinkie finger to the North Korean embassy, so would I be guessing correct that it’s a joke/stereotype of Japanese people sending their pinkie fingers to embassies?
http://www.boston.com/news/wor....._in_japan/
#33 — A while back (in last two years?) I think there was one or more incidents of ROK nationals in organized public protests (in the ROK) cutting off one of their own fingers.
I think it was over the Dokdo island sovereignty issue and thus directed at Japan (or maybe over one of the visits by senior Japanese government officials to their war memorial shrine — or maybe over what a Japanese historical textbook said about WWII and/or the period of their colonial rule of Korea).
Or maybe all of the above. Perhaps one of the commenters here resident in Korea and knowing the language & local current events will amplify/correct me as needed.
Thus I read the reference to it as typifying a rather fanatically irrational level of protest over a “relatively” small issue (though I guess the issue isn’t small to the guy(s) who chose to cut off his/their fingers).
The Japanese practice of finger cutting is explained in this reference as an act of atonement, done mostly in rather unsavory social circles — but not as a protest:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yubitsume
I first saw it depicted in the 1990’s American film “Black Rain”, performed by a really bad young Japanese gangster as a false “act of contrition” to appease a traditional senior gangster — thus lulling the elder right before a pre-planned organized “hit” on him. A eye-catching new plot twist in an “action” film! (not easy to accomplish these days…)
Perhaps you saw the film too, and were as impressed as I was by the sinister way that young actor portrayed the young gangster. IMHO the scriptwriters should have been allowed to let him leave Michael Douglas writhing and pinned to that tree with a knife, while he rode triumphantly away on his Japanese motorcycle — missing digit and all.
But - how that has evolved into an act of protest I can’t say. I suspect this movie (and others depicting similar occurrences) has popularized the idea while causing it to evolve into a slightly different cultural/national context.
But — I hasten to add that it could be the Korean practice of finger-chopping could have evolved independently of the Japanese one (after all what do I know?)
Every time this subject comes up, I silently renew a vow to keep my hands jammed deep in my pockets and my eyes humbly downcast — in the event I am ever privileged to visit Korean and/or Japan.
These Koreans are unbelievable. They put their ugly national flag (which is a steal from China, by the way)on Mainland China, and they put Northeastern China and the Korean penensular as the same color implying that it’s Korean territory. What a cunning and brazen people. Mental masturbation seems to be the number 1 national pastime in Korea. But let me tell you this. You will never get one inch of Northeastern China. Keep daydreaming. It won’t happen. Not just that, even the filthy Koreas who already reside in Northeastern area will be driven out of China. Your 5th columnist will join their big flat-faced cousins in your little and lovely South Korea soon. Why don’t you start preparing the welcome party for them now?
When I first saw this thread, I thought it was going to be a much ado about nothing arguement with internet netizens leading the charge. Now that I’ve actually sean the picture in question, I can see why some people might look at it in askance. One could imagine the uproar if the Russians decided to adopt a naval ensign with all of Europe under a Russian flag. Or how annoyed the Canadians would be if the U.S. did the same.
Considering that the Chinese actually caved into Korean demands and even changed part of the Chinese language to suit Korean sensibilities (changing the Chinese name of Seoul from Hancheng to Shouer), the least the Koreans could do is reciprocate.
Holy crap. Someone slap these clowns upside the head until they stop using English everywhere for no fucking reason. And they need to make it less of an eyesore. Who’s gonna recognize what’s what on that thing when it’s shrunk down to be actually used anywhere or needs to be seen from afar?
“Not just that, even the filthy Koreas who already reside in Northeastern area will be driven out of China. Your 5th columnist will join their big flat-faced cousins in your little and lovely South Korea soon.”
While you’re at that, could you also send the NK defectors to SK? Thanks.
#15 - #25
Very typcial comments why the Marmot’s hole is so addictive.
#35 — Dirty, flat-faced Koreans, eh?
You’ve been banned.
#1,
Hit the nail right on the head. Imagine how (some) Koreans would react if the Japanese (or the Chinese) flag was similarly superimposed on Korea. I think the wise thing to do is keep the logo for a month or two and then quietly change it to something that is less controversial.
Nice one, empraptor.
I think it’s also worth wondering what would happen if it was Japan complaining about the logo and not China. China is complaining about this logo (and they should be) and people in Korea are taking notice.
The ROK also has another logo with a missile (possibly two, but the seconds course isn’t clear) flying at where Japan should be, and when people in Japan complained about it the Korean netizens started talking about 35 years of ….. you know the story. I wonder if the netizens are fighting back China’s complaints with talks of 3,000 years of colonization of Korea? Not likely.
Of course when a Korean dance team did a stint about Chinese claims to Mt. Baekdu, they apologized instantly after Chinese complaints. Yet the actual members of the Korean government for nice strolls on top of Japanese flags to celebrate the year of friendship.
I think it’s interesting that all this attention is given to when China complains about Korea’s dog shitting in her yard, but when Korea and her dog go shit in Japan’s yard and Japan complains, Korea drags the cat outside to shit in Japan’s yard too.
#1 & 41
“Imagine how (some) Koreans would react if the Japanese … flag was similarly superimposed on Korea.”
Didn’t that happen for 35 years?
wow! i would have thought most of you would hve sided with korea on this one. what happened to all the talk about sovereignty and internal affairs? that’s what you talk about when korea complains about japan and it’s claim on dokdo. where’s all that talk now? oh, that’s right; this is korea we’re talking about here. so, most of you using this issue to continue your never ending need to avenge yourself against some little korean kid. man!
‘why korea do this for china? if this japan, korea say ‘fuck you’.’ poster
the chinsese have basically been good to the koreans throughout their long history with one another. china was the source of art, culture, and technology. china assisted the koreans when their very existance was at stake. yes, their motives were selfish, but their assistance resulted in the survival of the korean people. can we say the same about japan?
korea is right to change the logo. no need to offend the chinese. and while we’re at it, how about an unequivocal announcement from seoul that a united korea would have no interest in lands north of the yalu? i’m really getting tired of trying to dislike the chinese.
Pawi
Are you a north-korean??
#8 - “Are the Mongolians also offended?”
I happen to know that the Mongolian Navy is ready to deal with any overstepping of their maritime borders - so if the Lead Fleet can find its way to Mongolian Home Waters, then the Mongolian Fleet, such as it is, is ready.
#45:
“…so, most of you using this issue to continue your never ending need to avenge yourself against some little korean kid.”
Pawi,
I have not yet commented in this thread, but may I assure you that I’ve never had trouble with “some little korean kid”, however I occasionally did have trouble with tall, strong Korean man in their 20s and 30s, bent on beating me up and clearly capable of doing so.
This has, of course, nothing to do with the ROKS Dokdo’s logo. But since you keep bringing up the topic…
“…and while we’re at it, how about an unequivocal announcement from seoul that a united korea would have no interest in lands north of the yalu?”
Not a bad idea, at all..
“their big flat-faced cousins in— South Korea”?
If so, why are the Korean dramas and celebrities so popular in the middle kingdom?
pawikirogi,
Lighten up, old fart.
No one else is taking this seriously.
Tomojiro wrote:
“Iceberg….what is your nationality? I have to go in front of the embassy of your nation, chop my finger, and sent my pinky to the ambassador….Burning the flag is optional.”
Tomojiro, I guess you were making a cynical funny observation about Korean behavior, but I for one do not know a SINGLE KOREAN who would chop off his/her finger to protest Japan’s claim on Dokdo. So why fuel the flames of generalizing a whole people, Tomojiro?
How about if some American (or Korean) was to say to you, Tomojiro:
“What is your nationality? I have to go find an underage high school girl even though I am a married man with children in my forties and keep her as my mistress on the side by giving her gifts in exchange for sexual favors.”
Now this DOES HAPPEN in Japan, quite a bit from what I understand (and based on what I know of one girl who used to be in this status in Japan)….but it does not by the entire Japanese populace.
So would my cynical remark be accurate? Or would it be INaccurate and merely paint the Japanese people in as negative a generalizing light as possible?
Now, look back on your statement. IF you were attempting to make all Koreans look overly hot-tempered and unreasonable by making your remarks, you did a good job. But would this be an ACCURATE depiction of the entire Korean people? or a misleading one?
Thanks for the clarification Paul. That scene in Black Rain did stand out strongly, and was kind of confused as the context wasn’t the same (where now it was used to protest). Yubitsume is what’s it called eh…wonder if Koreans borrowed the idea from Japan was I don’t think the Chinese have a similar custom :S.
Flat faced cousins? I learn interesting new insults(?) today too… maybe it’s that “x race can’t tell differences between y race”, but as far as I can tell, Chinese aren’t any less flat faced… only Asians in general I’ve seen that aren’t so in general are Filipinos :S
JK,I said that I would sent my pinky to the ambassador. Common yakuza (and right winger attitude to some degree) here in Japan. So yes you are right,with chopping fingers, yeah I intended to make fun about Korean nationalists and Japanese nationalists.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor.....54653.html
With burning flags, I intended to mock Chinese (and Korean) nationalists attitude.
I agree with JK in so far that vast generalisations (about whatever kind of people) should generally be avoided.
Tomojiro, our roots lie in the same city in Germany. Both of us are not too keen on certain aspects of Korean culture. We are therefore permanently at risk of falling into the generalisation trap with regard to the Koreans due to our negative experiences with some of them. We should take care to avoid painting them all with a broad brush. There are lots of Korean assholes, but not all Koreans are assholes…
JK, sorry to tell you, I dislike the stories you told us about your sexual adventures with Korean women. If a Caucasian behaved in this manner and bragged about it he would be crucified by both Koreans and Gyopo alike. But since you are of Korean origin you feel you can get away with it. Probably you really can…
I’ve noticed here that every time a Chinese makes a comment, it’s either a name who made a comment several weeks or months ago, or a completely new name.
Okay, Tomojiro, I started writing my comment before you posted yours. Thanks for the clarification…
Your welcome, Fantasy.
And now I realized that “arthjourneyman (and Paul H)” had catched my intention.
Fantasy, re: #55,
What “sexual” stories? My latest story on THIS blog was when the topic was interracial relationships and why some Korean women prefer Western men (supposedly because, as one poster put it, Western men are more “masculine”).
I decided to reply to illustrate that there are OTHER reasons besides Korean men’s supposed lack of masculinity behind Korean woman-Western male interacial relationships, and I told the story, in reply, of how I dated a Korean girl (among others) who really wanted to come to America. I mentioned a LOT of things in that story, like what she wanted, why she turned down Korean guys asking her out, her approximate age, etc. But the most attention by many readers was given to the one sentence where I said was banging her regularly. Just another detail, like her age and such, but something that I just happened to mention (then again, based on the response on this board, maybe I shouldn’t have).
The POINT of the story was that, yes, the girl turned down dates with native Korean men because she wanted to move to the US to raise her future kids there. I was an American of Korean descent so I offered her “the best of both worlds” because she herself initially had negative views on interracial relationships. Trust me, she was MORE than happy with me (in every aspect) and wanted to spend the rest of her life with me. But I just didn’t see myself with her as a husband. So I broke it off. She came to an American city with few Asians and ended up with a white guy.
Again, the POINT being was that it was not due to Korean men’s supposed lack of masculinity that caused her to get married to a white American….it was her desire to make it to the US (along with her inability to be alone for even a few months and also along with the fact that I, an American person of Korean descent, turned her down). THAT was the point…to counter the supposed claim that Korean women marry white dudes because of Korean men’s lack of masculinity.
But for whatever reason, all the attention was given to ONE sentence in my very long story, where I wrote that I was banging her regularly. Oh well. If THAT’S all you got from the story, which was a reply to someone else, then you missed the point of it.
I didn’t mean to hijack off of this Dokdo thread, but Fantasy made a claim about me which I felt I had to counter.
Been good to us? I can’t buy it, pawikirogi. My history teacher tought me the other way round of long history, FYI, Back then - students aren’t under influence of liberal or lefty teachers, a.k.a. Cheon Kyo Cho (전교조)
JK. Don’t get too offend by Tomojiro’s joke as those kind of incidents happened in 고국. His Joke was way better than some people’s attitudes here in the Hole who believe their shit doesn’t stink at all. And we’re hot-tempered in general that I believe we were influenced by Chinese.
# 59,
Evidently things have gone so off track from the original intent of the post. Seems like people are letting off steam because Rob and the ‘hole cohorts have not been a quick with the new posting updates.
Anyways, I have to agree with you 100% JK. Women are a lot more strategic when it comes to their long term relationship with men (women interested only in the short term are about as superficial as men in that department). For the most part, women as a group are not gonna seek a relationship with a guy just because he’s got blonde hair and blue eyes. They are going to seek a relationship with a guy who can help advance their future and the future of their offspring. Sound superficial? Sure, about as superficial as men oogling big/firm titties and a pretty face.
When all things are equal from a strategic perspective, you’d be suprised at the kind of choices that a blonde haired blue eyed girl would make.
Case in point…
http://www.hyphenmagazine.com/....._marr.html
http://devans-cosmos.blogspot......riend.html
I find this all kinda funny actually. imagine the new seal of Mexican fleet had a big Mexican flag superimposed on the United States, noone would give two hoots. The reason is obvious.
But for the Chinese to get worked up over this… it can only mean that there are actually people in mainland China who fears South Korea. This is what’s so funny. So far South Korean government bent left and right to appease chinese mainland government time and time again. Either this floating helicopter pad is really an impressive piece of hardware or they really are hurt watching Yungaesomun. A massive 1 billion peopled economy with hundreds of hydrogen bombs getting worked up over this…
Do they really think that the new generation of Korean youngsters will roll into Beijing in the new K-2 tanks in a bid to liberate Gando? The balance of power is so skewed it’s not even funny.
# 62,
You’d be suprised how immature and sensitive Chinese netizens can be. I encountered this first hand during the great Koguryo Wikipedia debates, where you had comments by Chinese apologists say things like, “I can’t believe you are using the Korean Romanization of Chinese characters for the capital of Gaoguli. It should be Pinyin Romanization style!”
Then Korean netizens would say equally childish things such as, “Hae Mosu was the 1st Dangun of Buyeo, not a sky diety. The Samguk Yusa is wrong and more recent works buy Korean historians is more accurate.”
Pure insanity…
To the contrary, I think commentators like Bill O’Reilly, Lou Dobbs, and their viewers would thunder yet another anti-illegal immigrant tirade.
To the contrary, I think commentators like Bill O’Reilly and Lou Dobbs would thunder on about illegal immigrants to the loud applause of their viewers.
Mexico doesn’t need a fleet to invade the US; their ground campaign is working superbly.
Paul,
As a resident of OC and Los Angeles, I’m in the front lines. Mexico’s reconquista of the Southwest is grossly exaggerated.
Be a little more broad minded fella. The ethnic Chinese that live in Singapore and Malaysia think of themselves as Chinese, this is true. But do they think of themselves as citizens of the PRC?
wangkon, I am in the front lines currently doing pediatrics rotation in a major US city.
I think the stat guys and the scientists are right.
You white people are going to be outnumbered in 50 years.
Grossly. No contest.
In a way, it’s a good thing. These kids are US born, US citizens, and it keeps the white people’s interests in check with a rising population which equals to a vote in the polls that simply cannot be ignored.
You probably think I am an idiot.
It might be true.
the logo is used only in Korea. I don’t see what the big deal is.
They’ll never have the guts nor the numbers to do a Goguryo to the North or do a Baekjae to the East and West.
The above statement is something the Chinese hope that will be erased from history forever.
Shilla Korea also wishes to justify it’s 1500 years of history of playing frog-in-the-well-suits-Korea-best doctrine.
2/3 of the 3 Han nations expanded outward. Only Shilla Korea insisted on the being in the peninsula. This doomed Korea forever.
Now, talking about Goguryo is simply nationalistic masturbation. They’re never going to get it. It just makes them feel more powerful.
Hey, great logo! Hope to get a tee shirt for myself before I leave. If history is any guide, a Korean Army will someday invade and conquer China, perhaps in another 1000 years or so. (to be followed by the Vietnamese a thousand years later?) Hardly anything to lose sleep over. Oh, WJK: White people don’t have interests, any more than brown, black or yellow do. Americans have interests. Hasn’t the Obama candidacy taught you guys anything?
http://blog.naver.com/kws814?R.....0006464683
this song fits our Han, very well.
Beautiful song for a beautiful mind.
I find that very hard to believe. Nevermind that your posts are not indicative of someone highly educated, you are way too busy spewing your streams of consciousness on nearly every thread to to be a med student.
sonagi, it’s true.
I am a med student.
3rd year.
If that bothers you, I just shrug.
What are you gonna do?
If anyone thinks Korean netizens are bad, then you should realize how bad the Chinese are. They are 10 X worse. What’s worse, they are really ignorant.
Some of the funny things that the Chinese got worked up over South Korea.
1)South Korea stole Chinese flag.
2)South Korea’s LG stole design from Chinese company (LG’s Chocolate phone)
3)South Korea claims Confucious as a Korean
4)South Korea claims soy bean milk as Korean.
5)Everybody’s poor in South Korea because most of them can’t afford to eat meat. Meat is outrageously expensive. Most of them can’t eat proper meals.
6)Korean dramas are all lies. Korea is a poor country, they can’t even afford to eat meat.
7)Korea teaches in schools that all of China belongs to Korea.
8)Korea rips off Chinese pop culture.
9)Koguryo is Chinese, Koreans are falsifying history.
10)Korea claims Chinese characters were invented by Koreans.
11)Koreans steal the Dragon Boat festival as Korean.
12)Koreans steal Chinese lunar festival as theirs.
on and on and on and on…so forth and so forth…..
One thing’s clear to me, Chinese really have a hard on for Korea. I don’t think South Korea has had this much attention from any country in its brief history.
CM
Just for imagination, just for experiment.
Change all “China” and “Chinese” to “Korea” or “Korean”, and “South Korean” to “Japanese”.
Just for imagination. You would understand how some netizens on the east side of the west se…., sorry east side of the East sea is feeling.
Give it a try.
Strange - sad, really - how many people in both China and South Korea seem to believe that ancient kingdoms, food, festivals, art, and other things that pre-dated modern borders by centuries can somehow be the exclusive property of one modern country. (Naturally, their own country’s property!)
1)Japan stole Korean flag.
2)Japan’s Sony stole design from Korean company (Sony Erikson phone)
3)Japan claims Confucious as a Japanese
4)Japan claims soy bean milk as Japanese.
5)Everybody’s poor in Japan because most of them can’t afford to eat meat. Meat is outrageously expensive. Most of them can’t eat proper meals.
6)Japanese dramas are all lies. Japan is a poor country, they can’t even afford to eat meat.
7)Japan teaches in schools that all of Korea belongs to Japan.
8)Japan rips off Korean pop culture.
9)Koguryo is Japanese, Japanese are falsifying history.
10)Japanese claim Korean characters were invented by Japanese.
11)Japanese steal the Dragon Boat festival as Japanese.
12)Japanese steal Korean lunar festival as theirs.
on and on and on and on…so forth and so forth…..
There you go Tomojiro.
# 68,
The negative relationship between nationality and ethnicity, in my opinion, is overrated. America is an experiment in voluntary assimilation. Civilizations such as China, Rome and Persia were experiments in forced assimilation and all have failed to one degree or another. America? Vastly more successful- so far.
# 69,
Well, because of Silla we ended up one way. If were were Kogoryoian, then we’d be more Manchuria. Remember, Koguryo actively sought to integrate and assimilate the Tungus Mohe tribes. Given how many Tungus and Mongolic tribes migrated into Manchuria, I think our “Koreaness” would have been influenced to degrees it would be difficult to predict. Baekje? We’d be more Japanese-like, but then the Japanese would be more Korean-like. Now imagine that…
# 72,
Sonagi, I don’t think the real question is if wjk is an internist or not, but whether or not you’d feel comfortable with him being the 2am internist in the ER if it was you that was ambulanced to his hospital.
# 74,
I think the Chinese have got to accept one of these days that there are purely aspects of Chinese culture and then there are other things that are belong to East Asian culture as a whole. This would be culture, beliefs and symbols from Daoism, Buddism and Confucianism. The Chinese have to have the maturity and openmindedness to understand that these are universal East Asian philosophies, the heritage of which is to be shared by East Asian nations, be it Vietnam, Japan or Korea. Does the Old Testament only belong to the Jews? Are Roman characters only beholding to Italy? The fact of the matter is that the rest of Europe and the Near East as made such huge contributions to monotheistic thought and the letters, that it can no longer be called a Jewish religion or a Roman alphabet system only.
America, more successful than Rome? Are we talking about the Roman Republic and Empire that lasted how many hundreds of years longer than the entire history of European civilization on the American continent? Mmmmmmkay.
# 79,
The only thing that Rome has over the U.S. at this point is longevity. America is just as rich, just as powerful and just as culturally influential as the Roman Empire during Marcus Aurelius’ time. The U.S. invented the Internet, sent a man to the moon and gave the world practical nuclear power (for destructive and non-destructive purposes). The U.S. pretty much has the World Bank and the IMF under its thumb. What monetary unit does everyone compare themselves to? The dollar. Who can bring 24k men on the ground, at least one aircraft carrier and two wings of bombers to any part of the world in 72 hours? The U.S.
How long will all this last? Maybe 5 years maybe 50. I dunno…
#67:
“The ethnic Chinese that live in Singapore and Malaysia think of themselves as Chinese, this is true. But do they think of themselves as citizens of the PRC?”
WangKon,
I lived in S’pore in my teenage years - you are right, the Chinese there do not presently want to be citizens of the PRC. But that is so because both S’pore and M’sia are way richer and more developed than the PRC. This constellation may, however, change in the years to come. Let us wait and see how this will affect attitudes down there…
#68:
“I think the stat guys and the scientists are right.
You white people are going to be outnumbered in 50 years.
Grossly. No contest.”
WJK might well be correct here.
But why is he addressing WangKon with “You white people…” ?
I was labouring under the impression that WangKon is a Gyopo…
# 66:
“Mexico doesn’t need a fleet to invade the US; their ground campaign is working superbly.”
I do not mind the latino people in the US - but I do mind the fact that large areas of the US seem to become factually Spanish-speaking. That’s what worries me. The situation calls for the introduction of English as the only National Language, i.e. the only language which is permitted to be used in OFFICIAL and LEGALLY BINDING communications. Language use for private purposes should, of course, remain the free choice of the individual…
#70:
“White people don’t have interests, any more than brown, black or yellow do. Americans have interests. Hasn’t the Obama candidacy taught you guys anything?”
That’s the way I see it, as well.
Fantasy,
Yo soy “gyopo” vivo en los Estados Unitos en la ciudad de Los Angeles. Hablo Espanol porque muchos latinos viven en Los Angeles tambien. Soy preparacion justa para el futuro!
tomojiro,
hahaha. i know what you mean, but the parallel breaks when you consider than Korea never invaded and colonized China.
Korea is far more Sinophillic than Japan was ever Koreaphillic, but I guess that’s open to debate.
You are preparation? I thought you were a person. Maybe you mean “Estoy preparando…”
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