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	<title>Comments on: Korea, Myanmar and A Curious State of Affairs</title>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111371</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:13:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"...That’s worse than I had heard before..."

I'm almost as astonished to see that during the day today (Monday US time) there has been absolutely zippo about this particular report of massive deaths by a defecting intelligence officer of the miltary regime -- on US cable news channels (CNBC, FOX, Headline News, CNN, MSNBC -- I usually have ne of them on). 

You might want to check to see if on-line NYT or WaPo is covering it if you have fast broadband; I may get to it eventually however my old slow computer with dial-up is not as nimble.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;That’s worse than I had heard before&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m almost as astonished to see that during the day today (Monday US time) there has been absolutely zippo about this particular report of massive deaths by a defecting intelligence officer of the miltary regime &#8212; on US cable news channels (CNBC, FOX, Headline News, CNN, MSNBC &#8212; I usually have ne of them on). </p>
<p>You might want to check to see if on-line NYT or WaPo is covering it if you have fast broadband; I may get to it eventually however my old slow computer with dial-up is not as nimble.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111366</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:33:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That's worse than I had heard before Paul.  Burma is the &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/world/asia/01cnd-asia.html?" rel="nofollow"&gt;real blood-for-oil scenario&lt;/a&gt; -- not Iraq.  
So it seems that India, France, China and maybe Japan are interested in the natural resources of Burma but it was suggested to me that Korea gave them Daewoo arms technology as a China proxy so as to hide Chinese influence as well as make nice with China so as to promote Korean interests in North Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s worse than I had heard before Paul.  Burma is the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/02/world/asia/01cnd-asia.html?" rel="nofollow">real blood-for-oil scenario</a> &#8212; not Iraq.<br />
So it seems that India, France, China and maybe Japan are interested in the natural resources of Burma but it was suggested to me that Korea gave them Daewoo arms technology as a China proxy so as to hide Chinese influence as well as make nice with China so as to promote Korean interests in North Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111351</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:58:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As of Monday 1 October US time, here's an astonishing (if true) report from a UK newspaper:

"Thousands of protesters are dead and the bodies of hundreds of executed monks have been dumped in the jungle, a former intelligence officer for Burma's ruling junta has revealed.

The most senior official to defect so far, Hla Win, said: "Many more people have been killed in recent days than you've heard about. The bodies can be counted in several thousand....

Reports from exiles along the frontier confirmed that hundreds of monks had simply "disappeared" as 20,000 troops swarmed around Rangoon yesterday to prevent further demonstrations by religious groups and civilians.

Word reaching dissidents hiding out on the border suggested that as well as executions, some 2,000 monks are being held in the notorious Insein Prison or in university rooms which have been turned into cells.

There were reports that many were savagely beaten at a sports ground on the outskirts of Rangoon, where they were heard crying for help. 

Others who had failed to escape disguised as civilians were locked in their bloodstained temples..."

Wow.  Suddenly (if this report is accurate) -- a Burma/North Korean comparison is looking much more apt. 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=484903</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As of Monday 1 October US time, here&#8217;s an astonishing (if true) report from a UK newspaper:</p>
<p>&#8220;Thousands of protesters are dead and the bodies of hundreds of executed monks have been dumped in the jungle, a former intelligence officer for Burma&#8217;s ruling junta has revealed.</p>
<p>The most senior official to defect so far, Hla Win, said: &#8220;Many more people have been killed in recent days than you&#8217;ve heard about. The bodies can be counted in several thousand&#8230;.</p>
<p>Reports from exiles along the frontier confirmed that hundreds of monks had simply &#8220;disappeared&#8221; as 20,000 troops swarmed around Rangoon yesterday to prevent further demonstrations by religious groups and civilians.</p>
<p>Word reaching dissidents hiding out on the border suggested that as well as executions, some 2,000 monks are being held in the notorious Insein Prison or in university rooms which have been turned into cells.</p>
<p>There were reports that many were savagely beaten at a sports ground on the outskirts of Rangoon, where they were heard crying for help. </p>
<p>Others who had failed to escape disguised as civilians were locked in their bloodstained temples&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow.  Suddenly (if this report is accurate) &#8212; a Burma/North Korean comparison is looking much more apt. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=484903" rel="nofollow">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag....._id=484903</a></p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111155</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 22:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone had the bright idea of looking for satellite evidence of the abuses (makes you wonder about what else goes on around the world that is silently observed by spy satellited and then ignored by our governments).

http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/28/myanmar.satellites.ap/index.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone had the bright idea of looking for satellite evidence of the abuses (makes you wonder about what else goes on around the world that is silently observed by spy satellited and then ignored by our governments).</p>
<p><a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/09/28/myanmar.satellites.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://edition.cnn.com/2007/WO.....index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: RickSwerve</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111061</link>
		<dc:creator>RickSwerve</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 07:11:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may want to change eminent, in your line, 

"There are signs that the use of deadly force against the people are eminent."

to "imminent."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may want to change eminent, in your line, </p>
<p>&#8220;There are signs that the use of deadly force against the people are eminent.&#8221;</p>
<p>to &#8220;imminent.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: bulgasari</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111044</link>
		<dc:creator>bulgasari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Or, for that matter, how constrained ones actions are when the target of criticism is North Korea, and ones ruling party and progressive civic groups have tremendous political capital invested in portraying Pyongyang as misunderstood brothers rather than brutal tyrants&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Good point. You can always count on the progressives never to see the parallels in the two situations; however terrible the violence in Kwangju was, the system they're supporting is much, much worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Or, for that matter, how constrained ones actions are when the target of criticism is North Korea, and ones ruling party and progressive civic groups have tremendous political capital invested in portraying Pyongyang as misunderstood brothers rather than brutal tyrants</p></blockquote>
<p>Good point. You can always count on the progressives never to see the parallels in the two situations; however terrible the violence in Kwangju was, the system they&#8217;re supporting is much, much worse.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111042</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 05:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#28,

WJK is right.  Those monks are just for show, to give the impression that North Korea has such a thing as freedom of religion.  I believe they also have a church that serves the same purpose.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#28,</p>
<p>WJK is right.  Those monks are just for show, to give the impression that North Korea has such a thing as freedom of religion.  I believe they also have a church that serves the same purpose.</p>
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		<title>By: R. Elgin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111023</link>
		<dc:creator>R. Elgin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Chiamatt" you fail to make the distinction between bullets and web searching.  Daewoo handed over armament technology to people who are using it to kill, google and yahoo -- churls though they be -- are of information which probably does not kill (I hope).  There is nothing Communist about a government having the power to exert control over business through the use law or threat of enforcement.

Yes, even my own country of origin engages in questionable activities.  I can neither make monkeys or train them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Chiamatt&#8221; you fail to make the distinction between bullets and web searching.  Daewoo handed over armament technology to people who are using it to kill, google and yahoo &#8212; churls though they be &#8212; are of information which probably does not kill (I hope).  There is nothing Communist about a government having the power to exert control over business through the use law or threat of enforcement.</p>
<p>Yes, even my own country of origin engages in questionable activities.  I can neither make monkeys or train them.</p>
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		<title>By: chiamattt</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/26/korea-myanmar-and-a-curious-state-of-affairs/#comment-111022</link>
		<dc:creator>chiamattt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:21:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“chiamattT” do you actually believe that any government will have no active role or voice in the larger business concerns that large industries — ones that are so closely aligned with national concerns and image — engage in?

If what you say is true, why doesn't the US government force yahoo and google (both american companies, and powerful industry leaders) to stop filtering and censoring search content the repressive Chinese government wants them to hold back?

Isn't what you say - that governments hold sway over corporations - kinda communist?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“chiamattT” do you actually believe that any government will have no active role or voice in the larger business concerns that large industries — ones that are so closely aligned with national concerns and image — engage in?</p>
<p>If what you say is true, why doesn&#8217;t the US government force yahoo and google (both american companies, and powerful industry leaders) to stop filtering and censoring search content the repressive Chinese government wants them to hold back?</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t what you say - that governments hold sway over corporations - kinda communist?</p>
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		<title>By: wjk</title>
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		<dc:creator>wjk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in all seriousness, I see that there's a monk with a wedding ring, and a full set of unshaven hair.

Very weird.

A girl with a full set of hair in a colorful handbok, with a US $1 in her hand, selling trinkets and souvenirs to the South Koreans.

Actually, it's not weird.

There is NO freedom of religion in North Korea.

That should be elementary knowledge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in all seriousness, I see that there&#8217;s a monk with a wedding ring, and a full set of unshaven hair.</p>
<p>Very weird.</p>
<p>A girl with a full set of hair in a colorful handbok, with a US $1 in her hand, selling trinkets and souvenirs to the South Koreans.</p>
<p>Actually, it&#8217;s not weird.</p>
<p>There is NO freedom of religion in North Korea.</p>
<p>That should be elementary knowledge.</p>
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