“That’s because racism is natural,…”

While I, as a non-white European, generally agree with the course the discussion here takes (and also agree with most of #19), I do not believe that the problems in Europe really have much to do with the age-old American favourite topic called RACE.

Immigrants from East Asia, South East Asia, and also from parts of South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa usually fare quite well in Europe. Areas with a high concentration of these immigrants are not usually unsafe. The real problem is not with immigrants of a particular race but with those of a particular belief, i.e. Islam. Strict adherence to islamic values prevents the integration of the believers into ANY society which is not fully devoted to the same values…

I don’t think it’s heavy-handedness towards its immigrants that makes the US system work better than that in Europe as you suggest. I’d say there seems to be very little social pressure with so many illegals running around all over the place. If anything, I think it has more to do with the US’s relatively open economic system that offers more opportunities to almost anyone with drive and ambition.

The US tends towards economic freedom whereas Europeans tend towards egalitarianism, meaning better social systems for immigrants in Europe but fewer economic opportunities.

Multiculturalism seems to have failed in Europe. Instead of creating one big happy multiculti family all sitting around the campfire singing Kumbaya, it seems to have produced ghettos of unemployed immigrants who resent the society at large while the majority resents the immigrants as freeloaders and as being hostile against the values of the adopted society (not that the situation in the US is wonderful, but it does seem better than that in Europe).

That’s because racism is natural, just as greed is natural. What do we do? Capitalism takes advantage of the natural inclination to greed and makes it work relatively effectively for a wide range of people. How can we use the natural inclination for racism to make a more harmonious society? Instead of pretending that racism doesn’t or shouldn’t exist, could we channel it to improve the situation for society overall?

“The Arabs don’t think much of work either…” Dumbass generalization from a guy who usually comes across as being pretty bright.

Thanks for the compliment, and the criticism.

I can only call ‘em as I see ‘em. The fact is, Europe is experiencing a problem — indeed, the possible extinction of their civilization — due to Arab immigration which the United States does not face. The United States can accept and absorb Arab immigrants and turn them into, well, Americans, while Europe for some reason cannot. For the reasons why I’d have to ask our friend dda, who is French although you would not know it from his idiomatic command of English and Korean (and Chinese, and…)

Arab immigrants to Europe have higher rates of unemployment (like three times higher), and stay on the overgenerous public dole interminably. The stupid European social model incentivizes them to do so. If you can’t assimilate them, to invite them over and pay them not to work, but rather to plot war against you seems like a really stupid idea to me.

Check out this provocative piece in Foreign Affairs by Brookings Institution analyst Robert S. Leiken. Now, it’s well-known that Brookings is a xenophobic, racist think tank of the far right. What’s that? Oh, my bad: It’s the Democratic Party’s progressive think tank.

The most popular name for baby boys in Brussels, Amsterdam, Malmö, and London is now “Mohammed”. When all the young men are of this alien culture, and all the Europeans are old, that’s when the new order takes control — which points to civil war in Europe in the next 20 years. Since that’s the war my children will have to fight, I am concerned.

By the way, France and Britain are armed with nuclear weapons. We Americans really don’t want Islam taking control of either place.

“The Arabs don’t think much of work either…”

Gee… mmm… You do realize that sounds a bit… You know.

True? Accurate? Realistic? What’s teh word you lookin’ for?

what if his son-in-law-to-be speaks French?

Not exclusive mutually with the previous proposition: she could bring a French-speaking muslim African girlfriend home, right?