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	<title>Comments on: Note from Afghanistan on the hostage situation</title>
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	<pubDate>Wed,  9 Jul 2008 08:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Griego</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106330</link>
		<dc:creator>Griego</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 12:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"They don’t know how to win “hearts and minds” because they know so little about the hearts and minds they are trying to win"

Wang, you are obviously created from a civilized society or you wouldn't have the ability to think like that. It is precisely the ability of "tolerant" societies to tolerate the intolerable that make them so dangerously susceptible to their own demise. There are places in this world, Afghanistan being the prime example, where digression toward the mean of their population reveals the type of barbaric behavior illustrated in these kidnappings and murder. 

This type of behavior doesn’t need to be “understood,” it needs to be eradicated. You assume because you hold a certain set of beliefs, for example that life is valuable, that everyone must hold those values dear as well. This is not the case. It is the ultimate western arrogance to assume that all people are really good, and within every people group there must be a little bit of what they hold dear in their hearts as well. 

In the movie “Full Metal Jacket” an Army officer is berates a Marine saying “..We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out.” This is the ultimate self destructive hubris; to assume that inside these uneducated and barbaric people there is a good decent person that we need to try to understand. In reality, theirs is culture of murder, abject cruelty, and defies almost every worthy value that most modern civilizations try to promote.

They don’t need to be understood. We need to understand the world that produces these kind of murders better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;They don’t know how to win “hearts and minds” because they know so little about the hearts and minds they are trying to win&#8221;</p>
<p>Wang, you are obviously created from a civilized society or you wouldn&#8217;t have the ability to think like that. It is precisely the ability of &#8220;tolerant&#8221; societies to tolerate the intolerable that make them so dangerously susceptible to their own demise. There are places in this world, Afghanistan being the prime example, where digression toward the mean of their population reveals the type of barbaric behavior illustrated in these kidnappings and murder. </p>
<p>This type of behavior doesn’t need to be “understood,” it needs to be eradicated. You assume because you hold a certain set of beliefs, for example that life is valuable, that everyone must hold those values dear as well. This is not the case. It is the ultimate western arrogance to assume that all people are really good, and within every people group there must be a little bit of what they hold dear in their hearts as well. </p>
<p>In the movie “Full Metal Jacket” an Army officer is berates a Marine saying “..We are here to help the Vietnamese, because inside every gook there is an American trying to get out.” This is the ultimate self destructive hubris; to assume that inside these uneducated and barbaric people there is a good decent person that we need to try to understand. In reality, theirs is culture of murder, abject cruelty, and defies almost every worthy value that most modern civilizations try to promote.</p>
<p>They don’t need to be understood. We need to understand the world that produces these kind of murders better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ledtim</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106258</link>
		<dc:creator>Ledtim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28rhetoric%29" rel="nofollow"&gt;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(rhetoric)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28rhetoric%29" rel="nofollow"></a><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_</a>(rhetoric)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul H.</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106244</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul H.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 09:23:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"....I think nations like the U.S. do so badly in fighting insurgency movements in 3rd world countries...."

At least we are willing to fight.  That's more than you can say for some countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;.I think nations like the U.S. do so badly in fighting insurgency movements in 3rd world countries&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>At least we are willing to fight.  That&#8217;s more than you can say for some countries.</p>
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		<title>By: soondae</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106193</link>
		<dc:creator>soondae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 05:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hadn't the Korean government explicitly warned its citizens of the danger involved in visiting Middle Eastern war zones after the execution of Kim Song-il in Iraq several years ago?  I was under the impression that it had.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hadn&#8217;t the Korean government explicitly warned its citizens of the danger involved in visiting Middle Eastern war zones after the execution of Kim Song-il in Iraq several years ago?  I was under the impression that it had.</p>
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		<title>By: lirelou</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106186</link>
		<dc:creator>lirelou</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 03:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good response to your post. I believe both Khan and events underscore the fact that the "Taliban" is hardly a united force operating under a single code of discipline. Thus each faction's actions are colored by local (tribal) precepts. There is a Shura that states: "Be kind to women and children, and God will surely be pleased with you." Yet women in the muslim religion are subject to the same punishments referred to by Sanshinseon, i.e., stoning for not being virgins, for being caught in adultery, etc. And, as in Margaret Hassan's case, they can be specifically targeted for death, likely for suspicion that she was serving western intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good response to your post. I believe both Khan and events underscore the fact that the &#8220;Taliban&#8221; is hardly a united force operating under a single code of discipline. Thus each faction&#8217;s actions are colored by local (tribal) precepts. There is a Shura that states: &#8220;Be kind to women and children, and God will surely be pleased with you.&#8221; Yet women in the muslim religion are subject to the same punishments referred to by Sanshinseon, i.e., stoning for not being virgins, for being caught in adultery, etc. And, as in Margaret Hassan&#8217;s case, they can be specifically targeted for death, likely for suspicion that she was serving western intelligence.</p>
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		<title>By: The_William_G</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106181</link>
		<dc:creator>The_William_G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 02:13:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I don’t believe Daud Khan is a native Korean. He must be a foreign journalist. The article is well-written and quite fair. I did not sense any sort of rabid nationalism or anti-American sentiment. Thus, I do not believe a Korean could have written that email.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Nothing like reading someone's bigotry first thing in the morning...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I don’t believe Daud Khan is a native Korean. He must be a foreign journalist. The article is well-written and quite fair. I did not sense any sort of rabid nationalism or anti-American sentiment. Thus, I do not believe a Korean could have written that email.</p></blockquote>
<p>Nothing like reading someone&#8217;s bigotry first thing in the morning&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Passions</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106173</link>
		<dc:creator>Passions</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2007 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't believe Daud Khan is a native Korean. He must be a foreign journalist. The article is well-written and quite fair. I did not sense any sort of rabid nationalism or anti-American sentiment. Thus, I do not believe a Korean could have written that email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe Daud Khan is a native Korean. He must be a foreign journalist. The article is well-written and quite fair. I did not sense any sort of rabid nationalism or anti-American sentiment. Thus, I do not believe a Korean could have written that email.</p>
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		<title>By: sanshinseon</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106169</link>
		<dc:creator>sanshinseon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:57:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sure, radical-jihadist Muslims will easily kill women, for a variety of religion-based reasons.  Moses had plenty of women excecuted for violating his "laws", read the Bible.  Nothing new there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sure, radical-jihadist Muslims will easily kill women, for a variety of religion-based reasons.  Moses had plenty of women excecuted for violating his &#8220;laws&#8221;, read the Bible.  Nothing new there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: virtual wonderer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106167</link>
		<dc:creator>virtual wonderer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 23:51:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Although I agree with almost everything he/she says, I can't agree with this==

"I don’t know who sent the 23 people to Afghanistan, but it was the responsibility of the Korean government... Korean embassy in Kabul to inform the group about the Afghan society, the sensitive areas and the risks involved with group traveling and journey in the southern zone of the country."

Doesn't the Korean government already warn citizens from going to Afghanistan?  Isn't this a common knowledge?  I mean, would the New York City Hall also be responsible to inform visiting tourists from jogging at 3 am in the central park?

"It has efficiently fulfilled its responsibility because a government and a state must be responsible to save the lives of its citizens."

Why should the government spend tax payer money to save people who want to die?  Why should the Korean government essentially endorse Christian missions?

Already the Taleban is claiming Korean government didn't fulfill their part of the deal.  I wonder if this has made Korea a terror target now.

In response to this debacle, there will be great pressure to prevent any and all Korean nationals from Afghanistan. Even Christian groups who have been working intelligently will feel the heat. What about Korean members of NGOs like Doctors without Borders? Will they have to pack up and go home too?

It's difficult for me to have a sigh of relief at this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I agree with almost everything he/she says, I can&#8217;t agree with this==</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t know who sent the 23 people to Afghanistan, but it was the responsibility of the Korean government&#8230; Korean embassy in Kabul to inform the group about the Afghan society, the sensitive areas and the risks involved with group traveling and journey in the southern zone of the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>Doesn&#8217;t the Korean government already warn citizens from going to Afghanistan?  Isn&#8217;t this a common knowledge?  I mean, would the New York City Hall also be responsible to inform visiting tourists from jogging at 3 am in the central park?</p>
<p>&#8220;It has efficiently fulfilled its responsibility because a government and a state must be responsible to save the lives of its citizens.&#8221;</p>
<p>Why should the government spend tax payer money to save people who want to die?  Why should the Korean government essentially endorse Christian missions?</p>
<p>Already the Taleban is claiming Korean government didn&#8217;t fulfill their part of the deal.  I wonder if this has made Korea a terror target now.</p>
<p>In response to this debacle, there will be great pressure to prevent any and all Korean nationals from Afghanistan. Even Christian groups who have been working intelligently will feel the heat. What about Korean members of NGOs like Doctors without Borders? Will they have to pack up and go home too?</p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult for me to have a sigh of relief at this.</p>
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		<title>By: Sonagi</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/07/note-from-afghanistan-on-the-hostage-situation/#comment-106146</link>
		<dc:creator>Sonagi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Sep 2007 20:53:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Being a woman and a naturalized dual citizen of Iraq didn't spare Irish-born Margaret Hassan a videotaped execution.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4019809.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Being a woman and a naturalized dual citizen of Iraq didn&#8217;t spare Irish-born Margaret Hassan a videotaped execution.</p>
<p><a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4019809.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4019809.stm</a></p>
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