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		<title>By: gbevers</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/04/hsbc-announces-keb-deal/#comment-105296</link>
		<dc:creator>gbevers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Sep 2007 02:44:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What has Lone Star done wrong, besides make a good investment in a country that does not seem to like foreign companies to make good investments?

In a KBS news report, &lt;a href="http://news.kbs.co.kr/article/economic/200709/20070904/1419966.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;HERE&lt;/a&gt;, Kim Gi-jun, the head a Korean banking and economic research center, said the following:

&lt;blockquote&gt;"By announcing that she had reached a sales agreement with HSBC, Lone Star is ignoring (defying) our government authorities and courts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

How is reaching a sales agreement ignoring Korean authorities and courts? Does Mr. Kim think Lone Star should sit around with a thumb up her butt while waiting for Korean authorities to figure out how they can screw her?

The news report also suggests that if Korean authorites cannot find dirt on Lone Star, then they will go after HSBC.

&lt;blockquote&gt;HSBC is now being investigated by the Financial Supervisory Service to see if there is a problem with the operation of its Internet banking service.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

What's funny is that in its attempt to try to screw Lone Star delaying the sale of her shares in Korea Exchange Bank (KEB), the Korea government has not only screwed up the chances for a Korean-owned bank (KB) to acquiring KEB, she has unintentionally helped Lone Star get a better price for her shares in KEB since expected changes in the financial market make KEB shares more valuable today than they were last year. In fact, even though HSBC is paying a premium for Lone Star shares, the Hong Kong bank may think she is getting a bargain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What has Lone Star done wrong, besides make a good investment in a country that does not seem to like foreign companies to make good investments?</p>
<p>In a KBS news report, <a href="http://news.kbs.co.kr/article/economic/200709/20070904/1419966.html" rel="nofollow">HERE</a>, Kim Gi-jun, the head a Korean banking and economic research center, said the following:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;By announcing that she had reached a sales agreement with HSBC, Lone Star is ignoring (defying) our government authorities and courts.</p></blockquote>
<p>How is reaching a sales agreement ignoring Korean authorities and courts? Does Mr. Kim think Lone Star should sit around with a thumb up her butt while waiting for Korean authorities to figure out how they can screw her?</p>
<p>The news report also suggests that if Korean authorites cannot find dirt on Lone Star, then they will go after HSBC.</p>
<blockquote><p>HSBC is now being investigated by the Financial Supervisory Service to see if there is a problem with the operation of its Internet banking service.</p></blockquote>
<p>What&#8217;s funny is that in its attempt to try to screw Lone Star delaying the sale of her shares in Korea Exchange Bank (KEB), the Korea government has not only screwed up the chances for a Korean-owned bank (KB) to acquiring KEB, she has unintentionally helped Lone Star get a better price for her shares in KEB since expected changes in the financial market make KEB shares more valuable today than they were last year. In fact, even though HSBC is paying a premium for Lone Star shares, the Hong Kong bank may think she is getting a bargain.</p>
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		<title>By: red sparrow</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/04/hsbc-announces-keb-deal/#comment-105282</link>
		<dc:creator>red sparrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 23:59:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>dlatn, you really are a lousy troll.

Go away to learn your craft. Then get back to us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dlatn, you really are a lousy troll.</p>
<p>Go away to learn your craft. Then get back to us.</p>
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		<title>By: dlatn</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/04/hsbc-announces-keb-deal/#comment-105171</link>
		<dc:creator>dlatn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm one to look to the future that wishes HSBC and 외환 the best luck going forward, it truly appears to be a marriage well made, given their respective operations. Only a cynic would say HSBC is in it for the Kurdish retail savings market.
As for Lone Star...
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FUCK OFF !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m one to look to the future that wishes HSBC and 외환 the best luck going forward, it truly appears to be a marriage well made, given their respective operations. Only a cynic would say HSBC is in it for the Kurdish retail savings market.<br />
As for Lone Star&#8230;<br />
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<p>FUCK OFF !</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/04/hsbc-announces-keb-deal/#comment-105098</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 10:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to the Korean press, this is about Lone Star trying to get out of paying taxes on the profit, not the Korean government trying to block the sale.  Seems ridiculous. How can they evade taxes if they haven't sold the company yet?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to the Korean press, this is about Lone Star trying to get out of paying taxes on the profit, not the Korean government trying to block the sale.  Seems ridiculous. How can they evade taxes if they haven&#8217;t sold the company yet?</p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 07:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I'm quite sure that Lone Star is going to make out all right. But like I said, the profit is only real if the asset is actually sold. The risk managers have assigned a probability to that, presumably the highest one. 

But they've also assigned probabilities to (a) Lone Star has to keep paying interest for another 3 years before it can sell; (b) Lone Star goes under and its assets get swallowed up in years of legal wrangling; (c) the sale process drags on into the next global recession, driving down the price, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I&#8217;m quite sure that Lone Star is going to make out all right. But like I said, the profit is only real if the asset is actually sold. The risk managers have assigned a probability to that, presumably the highest one. </p>
<p>But they&#8217;ve also assigned probabilities to (a) Lone Star has to keep paying interest for another 3 years before it can sell; (b) Lone Star goes under and its assets get swallowed up in years of legal wrangling; (c) the sale process drags on into the next global recession, driving down the price, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/04/hsbc-announces-keb-deal/#comment-105070</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It wasn't just that Lone Star made an investment nobody else wanted; they were literally &lt;b&gt;begged&lt;/b&gt; by the Seoul government to do it. No good deed goes unpunished.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It wasn&#8217;t just that Lone Star made an investment nobody else wanted; they were literally <b>begged</b> by the Seoul government to do it. No good deed goes unpunished.</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 05:12:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's too bad Lone Star can't simply be admired for making good on an investment that NOBODY ELSE at the time was willing to make.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s too bad Lone Star can&#8217;t simply be admired for making good on an investment that NOBODY ELSE at the time was willing to make.</p>
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		<title>By: Brendon Carr</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/09/04/hsbc-announces-keb-deal/#comment-105065</link>
		<dc:creator>Brendon Carr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 04:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don't forget there has been some profit-taking in the interim. In February, Lone Star voted its shares in favor of a dividend to shareholders of KEB, yielding US$445 million.

In June, Lone Star sold 13.6 percent of KEB on the open market, yielding US$1.28 billion -- total US$1,725,000,000 so far, with the controlling 50.1% block to HSBC expected to yield another US$6.3 billion (in June Reuters was valuing that same stake at US$4.75 billion so there's already been a nice bump).

Lone Star will have invested US$1.4 billion (you're probably right it's mostly borrowed), paid carrying costs of US$800 million in interest, plus its US$100 million "donation to society" and tens of millions in legal fees, and &lt;b&gt;still&lt;/b&gt; made a very handsome profit through its four-year investment in KEB. Now HSBC is going to pony up US$6.3 billion for the controlling stake in KEB. Let’s say US$1 billion in debt remains — that will give Lone Star a US$5.3 billion profit.

Not bad for US$800 million spent carrying the note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t forget there has been some profit-taking in the interim. In February, Lone Star voted its shares in favor of a dividend to shareholders of KEB, yielding US$445 million.</p>
<p>In June, Lone Star sold 13.6 percent of KEB on the open market, yielding US$1.28 billion &#8212; total US$1,725,000,000 so far, with the controlling 50.1% block to HSBC expected to yield another US$6.3 billion (in June Reuters was valuing that same stake at US$4.75 billion so there&#8217;s already been a nice bump).</p>
<p>Lone Star will have invested US$1.4 billion (you&#8217;re probably right it&#8217;s mostly borrowed), paid carrying costs of US$800 million in interest, plus its US$100 million &#8220;donation to society&#8221; and tens of millions in legal fees, and <b>still</b> made a very handsome profit through its four-year investment in KEB. Now HSBC is going to pony up US$6.3 billion for the controlling stake in KEB. Let’s say US$1 billion in debt remains — that will give Lone Star a US$5.3 billion profit.</p>
<p>Not bad for US$800 million spent carrying the note.</p>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
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		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 02:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be so interesting if we could follow the money -- and not just the politics -- on this one. But Lone Star's accounts are not public, and so, we just guess. I guess that:

Lone Star used at least 90% leverage to buy its stake in KEB, spending $1.4 billion in Oct 2003, now 4 years ago. I guess that it had to offer, say, 15% interest to raise that leverage.

That's over $200m in interest that Lone Star has had to pay out each year. After 4 years we're nearing a billion, which is nearing half the profit on an investment that has tripled since acquisition. Profit that only exists, mind you, if the asset can actually be sold.

They probably had to borrow short-term money to even make those interst payments, so running their losses up even further. And then, boom! Subprime time. And no one will lend high-risk money anymore. LS really needs to unload this baby. The people who paid for it want their money back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be so interesting if we could follow the money &#8212; and not just the politics &#8212; on this one. But Lone Star&#8217;s accounts are not public, and so, we just guess. I guess that:</p>
<p>Lone Star used at least 90% leverage to buy its stake in KEB, spending $1.4 billion in Oct 2003, now 4 years ago. I guess that it had to offer, say, 15% interest to raise that leverage.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s over $200m in interest that Lone Star has had to pay out each year. After 4 years we&#8217;re nearing a billion, which is nearing half the profit on an investment that has tripled since acquisition. Profit that only exists, mind you, if the asset can actually be sold.</p>
<p>They probably had to borrow short-term money to even make those interst payments, so running their losses up even further. And then, boom! Subprime time. And no one will lend high-risk money anymore. LS really needs to unload this baby. The people who paid for it want their money back.</p>
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