Update: It seems that ’ol Yousaf (whose name is disturbingly similar to that of my undergrad mascot (#4)) can’t crow enough about the Taliban’s ‘victory’ over Korea. From CNN:
Taliban spokesman Qari Yousef Ahmadi vowed to abduct more foreigners, reinforcing fears that South Korea’s decision to negotiate directly with the militants would embolden them.
“We will do the same thing with the other allies in Afghanistan, because we found this way to be successful,” he told the Associated Press via cell phone from an undisclosed location.
That quote is such a strong indictment of the Roh administration’s deal with the Taliban that I almost suspect it was planted. I mean, yeah the Taliban are a bunch of murderous boy-buggers (see below), but this kind of in-your-face trash talking right after a deal is just bad form.
Original post: Get your barf bags ready.
The Korea Times has just printed a letter from the Taliban to the Korean people.
Here are a couple of choice parts:
Now that we have released the remaining seven captives, we wish to tell the Korean people that we have no enmity toward you.
Well, that’s a relief. I guess those two bullet-ridden bodies were just an accident.
Your government is also partly responsible for the killing of the two Koreans, because, being a partner of the Afghan and American government, it should have forced the two to accept our demands in order to ensure the peaceful release of the hostages.
Chung Dong-young will have a field day with that one.
I know I souldn’t have to write this but there are enough confused people out there that I think I have to do so: The only people responsible for the kidnapping of the 23 Koreans and the murder of two of them are the Taliban. They are not some random force of nature but human beings who exercise moral responsibility for their own actions. The deliberate taking and killing of civilian hostages is a crime in any tradition, including that of Islam.
Read the whole thing if you have the stomach for it.
If this letter does not get a few companies of Korean special ops to Afghanistan, I don’t know what will.
To Qari Yousaf Ahmadi: If you can take some time from murdering Korean civilians, straping bombs on six-year-olds and buggering little boys, please feel free to kiss my ass.
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Napalm is too gentle for these fucks.
But North Korean rhetoric and propaganda has been no less outrageous than this and it gets lapped up pretty regularly, even outside of the peninsula.
The Korea Times had no business running this — unless their intent was to incite revulsion.
Well, Qari Yousaf Ahmadi has certainly convinced me.
After all, the Korean government wouldn’t have negotiated with terrorists since everybody knows that such a policy would be a grave mistake, so the Taliban must be the legitimate government of Afghanistan, which means that Qari Yousaf Ahmadi is correct to imply that the Korean government is the real terrorist force for killing those two hostages who were guests of the Taliban, and the fact that the Taliban have no enmity toward the Korean people or the Korean people’s terrorist government simply proves what wonderful people the Taliban are and that they will continue to resist being terrorized by nurses, and aid workers, and oversize Buddhist statues even if such resistance means that they will have to write other letters like this one to all the terrorist governments throughout the world to reassure these governments and their people that the Taliban bear them all no ill will despite all the evil that the Taliban can perceive in their infidel souls.
Qari Yousaf Ahmadi is one helluva public-relations expert!
Jeffery Hodges
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I found your link to Boys of the Taliban interesting, although I didn’t agree with a lot of it. Radical Islam only encourages homosexuality insofar as it removes women from the social landscape.
There are plenty of examples of homosexuality in non-islamic societies.
Ancient Sparta for one: the spartiates took on boys who acted as personal “squires” to them, for want of a better word. They, ahem, carried their spears. Indeed in greek societies at the time, boy-love was often celebrated in poetry etc. The spartans were incredibly miltant people; they were only allowed to visit their wives very occasionly. Interestingly, however, women weren’t demonized. They were allowed to roam about naked and were encouraged to compete in athletics (also naked) along with their male counterparts. Later, when the wars of the time whittled away the male populace, the women largely took over the affairs of the state.
There’s another example that comes to mind: The North Korean military. If you read Under the Loving Care of the Fatherly Leader, you’ll find several references to homosexuality in the miltary from defectors. One defector estimated about 50% of men use each other for pleasure, but hastily added that it wasn’t like homosexuality in america.(?)
The Korean government’s moves amount to essentially funding and supporting the Taleban, and have unfortunately inadvertently sealed the fate of the final German hostage still held by the Taleban.
Andy,
Spare us your misguided vitriol. First of all, the only people responsible for this incident was those fucking idiots that went into a warzone. That the taliban deserves loathing and that you wish a bunch of macho commandos would go in there to punish them, is not just a red herring, it’s naive to an extreme. And for Christ’s sake, the KT is a government mouthpiece, supported financially by the information ministry. Do you really not understand why this piece was printed?
“Foreign troops led by the United States, have occupied our country. They are attacking our people and killing our women, children and the elderly. Your government, whether it knows it or not, is also part of the international Coalition led by the United States, and a partner in the forceful occupation of our land and the killing of our people.
Like every action has a reaction, so the kidnapping was the reaction to the force used against our people and our country, because your country has also sent its troops here.”
Seems Korea learned its lesson without the embarrassment of 9-11.
I was going to make comment about homosexual autoasphyxiation in sub-Saharan Africa and its ties to neo-conservatism in eastern Canada, but hoju saram beat me to it.
“There are plenty of examples of homosexuality in non-islamic societies.
Ancient Sparta for one: the ”
You know you’re reaching when the best example you can think of is from 5000 years ago.
Anyhow, the article isn’t trying to say that there aren’t gay pride parades in the west; he’s trying to say a brutal form of pedophilic rape is prevalent in arab culture. I would like you to say that you do not believe brutal pedophilic rape is not prevalent in arab culture, giving logic, examples, sources, Hoju.
Try to stick to within the last 100 years, too.
In an alternate universe:
Pres. Noh: Are those freed hostages back on Korean soil?
Aide: Yes, sir, they arrived at Incheon five minutes ago.
Noh: OK, now’s the time to implement Operation Bamiyan.
Aide: Operation Bamiyan, sir?
Noh: Yes, tell the engineering unit at Bagram they aren’t going anywhere. Next, tell Special Warfare Command to get one of their brigades ready to move ASAP, ROKAF to get a KF-16 squadron and flight of C-130s ready and the army to spool up some CH-47s and UH-60s. It’s time to blow those 7th Century towelheads back to the Stone Age!
errr….would like you to say you don’t believe brutal ped. rape is prevalent….
Hugh:
You know you’re reaching when the best example you can think of is from 5000 years ago.
Close, but you’re about 2,500 years off. Also, you forgot to mention the example I wrote about North Korea. Today.
I would like you to say that you do not believe brutal pedophilic rape is not prevalent in arab culture, giving logic, examples, sources, Hoju.
Why would you like me to say that? More importantly, why would I want to say that? I’ve heard of straw men arguments, but never I’ve never had someone else ask me to build one for them.
Anyway, just for the heck of it, how about the catholic church?
Let’s not get hung up on that writer’s views of Taliban boy-buggery, just know it is another part of their little world.
Food for your thoughts:
Could it be that the Korean government signed such a damaging agreement with the Taliban because it wants to makes things difficult for the next president?
Hoju, the whole point of that article is the prevalence of gay rape in arab culture. YOU tried to strawman it by saying their is a gay tradition in the west too.
My challenge to you was just, if you don’t believe in the point of that article then stay on topic and disprove it. Waxing historical about sparta and NK and the C.church has NOTHING to do with the article.
Ah, Andy’s right in #11, too. Forget about it.
Much as High’s link was sideline to the main post, so was my main point:
Radical Islam only encourages homosexuality insofar as it removes women from the social landscape.
I gave examples to show that in other cultures, at other times, where women are removed from the social landscape, gay rape, pedophilia, homosexuality abounds as well. The author seems to suggest at times that Islam, in some sort of spiritual, congenital sense is responsible for it (judging by his quotes from the Koran).
I also never disagreed that there was a prevalence of gay rape in arab culture - thats why I didn’t think it necessary to disprove it, like you asked me to!
Anyway, it was off-topic, I apologise. moving on.
#8 towelheads? Leaving that out might have made your comment funny. Instead you come off sounding like a racist.
#17: I’m sorry, that should have been “gentle, misunderstood victims of the oppressive Eurocentric world order.” That’s what happens when you fail Political Correctness 101.
“First of all, the only people responsible for this incident was those fucking idiots that went into a warzone.”
Bull-f***ing-shite. Talk about blaming the victim. The Taleban bear all the responsibility for taking and murdering hostages.
#8 You got it!
#16 Spare me, grow a pair of grapes!
#16 You play with the bull, you get the horns. They had no right to court danger like they did. They are lucky they survived. Korea now is a laughing stock for capitulating with terrorists. That bell can never be un-rung. I feel embarrassment for all Koreans because of it.
Like Minneapolis St.Paul International Airport?
mjw wrote in comment #5:
In light of the recent release of the hostages, let us review what happened at Entebbe Airport, Uganda in 1976.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5101412.stm
Well, now that the Taliban has resumed shipments of hostages to Korea, the fact that the first two shipments contained bone fragments could be used by the Korean government as a pretext to renege on the deal and send in combat troops.
Curious to learn what the rank and file Korean reaction to the letter is.
#23,
Col. Netanyahu was Israel’s former Prime Minister Netanyahu’s older brother.
@#24:
Cute, Ut.
I just can’t fathom why someone would reach this conclusion. Yes we all have rights and particularly the right of self determination. We have the right to do dangerous things, and we must live with the consequences.
First and foremost it was the Talibans fault for taking hostages, followed by the governments for bothering to negotiate despite having released themselves from any responsibility to protect them in warning them not to go there.
#28 Do you believe your own bullshit? If they have the right to do stupid things, don’t expect the US or Korean governments to bail you out. Your logic is fucked up.
Uhhh… that’s basically what he said. Why are you paraphrasing? Someone’s reading comprehension is fucked up.
#30 read more closely dickhead.
Railway, I believe in basic freedom. Sean Penn has the right to be an ass and stroll around Iraq before a war, but he shouldn’t expect his country to hesitate dropping a bomb on his ass were he to be used as a human shield.
If we start denying right to people for doing dangerous stuff then you start getting onto the slippery slope of: people can mountain climb, smoke, sky dive, eat fatty foods etc…
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