Comments on: At Least It Wan’t the Blue-Eyed Hongdae Devil http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/ Korea... in Blog Format Wed, 9 Jul 2008 08:13:44 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: Railwaycharm http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104877 Railwaycharm Mon, 03 Sep 2007 15:30:13 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104877 I too am truly sorry for the innocent and their families. I too feel relieved that it was not an English teacher or soldier who committed the crime. I have been around long enough to know that the barbarians are the de-facto sink for all things distasteful too Koreans. Face it, it is fact. I too am truly sorry for the innocent and their families. I too feel relieved that it was not an English teacher or soldier who committed the crime. I have been around long enough to know that the barbarians are the de-facto sink for all things distasteful too Koreans. Face it, it is fact.

]]> By: dlatn http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104526 dlatn Sat, 01 Sep 2007 06:14:22 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104526 You're right dda on all counts. I claim no higher perspective than others here, just my own. However, the majority of "white" comment-whores appearing less like a stereotype and more like a coagulation -- they have issues they have yet to perceive. I still liked this line though. The natives are restless. Paranoid freaks. You’re right dda on all counts. I claim no higher perspective than others here, just my own.
However, the majority of “white” comment-whores appearing less like a stereotype and more like a coagulation — they have issues they have yet to perceive.
I still liked this line though.

The natives are restless.

Paranoid freaks.

]]> By: dda http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104493 dda Sat, 01 Sep 2007 01:21:53 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104493 임수 aren't you stereotyping here, too? Who said all white people in Korea didn't understand their in laws? Or even have in-laws, for that matter? And criticizing doesn't mean not understanding either... 임수 aren’t you stereotyping here, too? Who said all white people in Korea didn’t understand their in laws? Or even have in-laws, for that matter? And criticizing doesn’t mean not understanding either…

]]> By: dlatn http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104488 dlatn Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:15:30 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104488 The paranoia and insecurity of many of the expatriate posters on this blog probably stems from a failure to fully understand their adopted land, and hence comfortably adapt. We see this in the continual racist stereotyping, prejudicial attitudes, condescending manner and general projections of ones unease with oneself. If I had to visit the in-laws every weekend and have to listen to them babble on about me in a foreign language I couldn't understand I'd probably get paranoid too. This failure to adapt also precipitates anger toward the Kyopo, who the non-ethnically Korean expatriate presumes to enjoy a less alienated existence in Korea, leading to jealousy and bitterness. All in all, this blog was a great larf and I can't wait until the next sound of drums and chanting in the villages keeps this lot awake at night. The natives are restless. The paranoia and insecurity of many of the expatriate posters on this blog probably stems from a failure to fully understand their adopted land, and hence comfortably adapt. We see this in the continual racist stereotyping, prejudicial attitudes, condescending manner and general projections of ones unease with oneself.
If I had to visit the in-laws every weekend and have to listen to them babble on about me in a foreign language I couldn’t understand I’d probably get paranoid too.
This failure to adapt also precipitates anger toward the Kyopo, who the non-ethnically Korean expatriate presumes to enjoy a less alienated existence in Korea, leading to jealousy and bitterness.
All in all, this blog was a great larf and I can’t wait until the next sound of drums and chanting in the villages keeps this lot awake at night. The natives are restless.

]]> By: mins0306 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104486 mins0306 Fri, 31 Aug 2007 23:21:56 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104486 I find it strange that expats would be nervous about the incident. First of all, the Korean media, which feeds on sensationalism, wasn't making a big deal out of this incident, nor linking it to foreigners. Also, as Koreans, my wife and I never assumed for a second that the crimes were carried out by foreigners. Nor did any of the Koreans that we know. Koreans didn't give much thought to the matter, and those that who did talk about it assumed that it was done by some sicko(Korean) sex predator. My condolences to the families of the young women and may the souls of the young women rest in peace. I find it strange that expats would be nervous about the incident. First of all, the Korean media, which feeds on sensationalism, wasn’t making a big deal out of this incident, nor linking it to foreigners.

Also, as Koreans, my wife and I never assumed for a second that the crimes were carried out by foreigners. Nor did any of the Koreans that we know. Koreans didn’t give much thought to the matter, and those that who did talk about it assumed that it was done by some sicko(Korean) sex predator.

My condolences to the families of the young women and may the souls of the young women rest in peace.

]]> By: Robert Koehler http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104305 Robert Koehler Fri, 31 Aug 2007 10:27:34 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104305 <blockquote>Just curious. Do you feel this kind of relief every single time you see a crime committed by Koreans?</blockquote> When it happens in Hongdae or Itaewon, yeah.

Just curious. Do you feel this kind of relief every single time you see a crime committed by Koreans?

When it happens in Hongdae or Itaewon, yeah.

]]> By: ziffel http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104291 ziffel Fri, 31 Aug 2007 08:16:05 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104291 When I read about this morning, "relieved" wasn't exactly the reaction I had. Admittedly, perhaps in the back of my mind somewhere there was the shared thought that this would be an absolute firestorm if the guys were foreigners. But mostly I just recoiled at the pointless horror of it all, the thought of what these girls went through, and what their families must be going through now. This was just horrific and tragic, and to the extent that one immediately views this through an expat prism (not an accusation directed at anyone in particular), well, seems kind of cold, cynical, and self-indulgent. When I read about this morning, “relieved” wasn’t exactly the reaction I had. Admittedly, perhaps in the back of my mind somewhere there was the shared thought that this would be an absolute firestorm if the guys were foreigners.

But mostly I just recoiled at the pointless horror of it all, the thought of what these girls went through, and what their families must be going through now.

This was just horrific and tragic, and to the extent that one immediately views this through an expat prism (not an accusation directed at anyone in particular), well, seems kind of cold, cynical, and self-indulgent.

]]> By: tbonetylr http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104279 tbonetylr Fri, 31 Aug 2007 05:00:26 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104279 Check out the picture of the man leading the murderer. It looks queer to me. The law enforcement officer of some sort is feeling the murderers arm as if they were brothers walking down the street. https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/08/31/200708310054.asp Check out the picture of the man leading the murderer. It looks queer to me. The law enforcement officer of some sort is feeling the murderers arm as if they were brothers walking down the street.

https://www.koreaherald.co.kr/SITE/data/html_dir/2007/08/31/200708310054.asp

]]> By: dlatn http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104274 dlatn Fri, 31 Aug 2007 04:12:12 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104274 I hope you paranoid dimwits are not caught smoking marijuana in Korea, for then your delusions may come true. Feeling relieved indeed... I hope you paranoid dimwits are not caught smoking marijuana in Korea, for then your delusions may come true.
Feeling relieved indeed…

]]> By: dissidentdave http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104271 dissidentdave Fri, 31 Aug 2007 03:59:29 +0000 http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/31/at-least-it-want-the-blue-eyed-hongdae-devil/#comment-104271 I think the reasons for any relief felt about these murders are this: 1) Had the perpetrators been non-Koreans, there would be a huge uproar about it in the Koren press and amongst Korean netizens. As it is, this incident will most likely be completely forgotten by most of the media and K-netizens by dinner tonight. If non-Koreans had killed those women, then candlelight vigils would be being held already, as has already been alluded to, and we would be subjected to hearing about it on a daily basis well into next year. 2) There is a tendency amongst Koreans to think that Koreans are incapable of such atrocities, that such actions are only committed by foreigners. When it comes to light that Koreans have done something as horrible as this, especially for the alleged dumbass reasons these murders were committed, it brings to light to the mainstream press and everyday Korean that, indeed, Koreans are capable of being as murderous as the well of the uncivilised world is. Of course, a crime is a crime and whosoever commits it does not any more or less heinous make it, but that's just my humble, Westernised opinion. My personal reaction to the news that Koreans did this was not necessarily relief, but I can certainly see why non-Koreans living here feel relief. I think the reasons for any relief felt about these murders are this:

1) Had the perpetrators been non-Koreans, there would be a huge uproar about it in the Koren press and amongst Korean netizens. As it is, this incident will most likely be completely forgotten by most of the media and K-netizens by dinner tonight. If non-Koreans had killed those women, then candlelight vigils would be being held already, as has already been alluded to, and we would be subjected to hearing about it on a daily basis well into next year.

2) There is a tendency amongst Koreans to think that Koreans are incapable of such atrocities, that such actions are only committed by foreigners. When it comes to light that Koreans have done something as horrible as this, especially for the alleged dumbass reasons these murders were committed, it brings to light to the mainstream press and everyday Korean that, indeed, Koreans are capable of being as murderous as the well of the uncivilised world is.

Of course, a crime is a crime and whosoever commits it does not any more or less heinous make it, but that’s just my humble, Westernised opinion.

My personal reaction to the news that Koreans did this was not necessarily relief, but I can certainly see why non-Koreans living here feel relief.

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