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		<title>By: Durbin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/28/who-are-these-guys/#comment-103576</link>
		<dc:creator>Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:39:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15 -- “In the Shadow of the Moons: My Life in the Reverend Sun Myung Moon’s Family” by Hong Nansook (1998) — Moon’s daughter-in-law’s exposé on the internal hypocrisy and bizarre dealings of the True Family. --

Nansook is one of the great heroines of our time, though few know this. She at least slowed the Moon juggernaut which is growing in influence beyond what anyone would have dreamed 30 years ago. The press is conditioned to just laugh at him and doesn't cover it though. Moon's organization has changed a lot in the last 5 years, a lot.

Moon now openly brags about being involved in the "six way talks" and he is. Background on some of that here:

http://www.mediachannel.org/views/dissector/affalert356.shtml

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=9868

You can find some excerpts from Nansook's book here:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif148.html

this video interview with Nansook is cut short:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdvQGD5Lnsc

but here is how it closes:

Mike Wallace: [Nansook] has just completed a book, "In the Shadow of the Moon's". Why are you telling this story?

Nansook Hong: Because I feel that I was duped.

MW: Duped?

NH: Duped. I feel I was conned. And have a certain naïve, I think, idealism that I wanted to work for God and do think a lot of people have that and a lot of organizations like Moon's, do take full advantage of those people and I was one of them. 
 
MW: Nansook still believes in God but she has a new way of looking at Rev. Moon.

NH: I did come to the conclusion that Rev. Moon just cannot be the Messiah.

MW: What you're saying is that he's a phony. 

NH: A con man.

MW: The Rev. Sun Myung Moon is a con man?

NH: That's the conclusion I came with, living with their family for 15 years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15 &#8212; “In the Shadow of the Moons: My Life in the Reverend Sun Myung Moon’s Family” by Hong Nansook (1998) — Moon’s daughter-in-law’s exposé on the internal hypocrisy and bizarre dealings of the True Family. &#8211;</p>
<p>Nansook is one of the great heroines of our time, though few know this. She at least slowed the Moon juggernaut which is growing in influence beyond what anyone would have dreamed 30 years ago. The press is conditioned to just laugh at him and doesn&#8217;t cover it though. Moon&#8217;s organization has changed a lot in the last 5 years, a lot.</p>
<p>Moon now openly brags about being involved in the &#8220;six way talks&#8221; and he is. Background on some of that here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.mediachannel.org/views/dissector/affalert356.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.mediachannel.org/vi.....t356.shtml</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=9868" rel="nofollow">http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=9868</a></p>
<p>You can find some excerpts from Nansook&#8217;s book here:<br />
<a href="http://www.rickross.com/reference/unif/unif148.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.rickross.com/refere.....if148.html</a></p>
<p>this video interview with Nansook is cut short:<br />
<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdvQGD5Lnsc" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdvQGD5Lnsc</a></p>
<p>but here is how it closes:</p>
<p>Mike Wallace: [Nansook] has just completed a book, &#8220;In the Shadow of the Moon&#8217;s&#8221;. Why are you telling this story?</p>
<p>Nansook Hong: Because I feel that I was duped.</p>
<p>MW: Duped?</p>
<p>NH: Duped. I feel I was conned. And have a certain naïve, I think, idealism that I wanted to work for God and do think a lot of people have that and a lot of organizations like Moon&#8217;s, do take full advantage of those people and I was one of them. </p>
<p>MW: Nansook still believes in God but she has a new way of looking at Rev. Moon.</p>
<p>NH: I did come to the conclusion that Rev. Moon just cannot be the Messiah.</p>
<p>MW: What you&#8217;re saying is that he&#8217;s a phony. </p>
<p>NH: A con man.</p>
<p>MW: The Rev. Sun Myung Moon is a con man?</p>
<p>NH: That&#8217;s the conclusion I came with, living with their family for 15 years.</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/28/who-are-these-guys/#comment-103299</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 06:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#15,


http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/s-2a.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#15,</p>
<p><a href="http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/s-2a.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.geocities.com/craigmaxim/s-2a.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: abcdefg</title>
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		<dc:creator>abcdefg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn't say that this consistency is excluded in Christianity. My point ws that such a norm isn't always practiced. Good try though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t say that this consistency is excluded in Christianity. My point ws that such a norm isn&#8217;t always practiced. Good try though.</p>
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		<title>By: Ut videam</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/28/who-are-these-guys/#comment-103243</link>
		<dc:creator>Ut videam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 21:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21 -
&lt;blockquote&gt;Of course, consistent Christians would be praising God for Katrina too. And in the case of the missionary hostages, perhaps you ought to praise God for the executions that took place.&lt;/blockquote&gt;
 &lt;em&gt;Then Job rose up, and rent his garments, and having shaven his head fell down upon the ground and worshipped, And said: Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away: as it hath pleased the Lord so is it done: blessed be the name of the Lord.&lt;/em&gt; (Job 1:20–21)

But why let a few little 'facts' get in the way of another chance to heap condescending derision on believers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#21 -</p>
<blockquote><p>Of course, consistent Christians would be praising God for Katrina too. And in the case of the missionary hostages, perhaps you ought to praise God for the executions that took place.</p></blockquote>
<p> <em>Then Job rose up, and rent his garments, and having shaven his head fell down upon the ground and worshipped, And said: Naked came I out of my mother&#8217;s womb, and naked shall I return thither: the Lord gave, and the Lord hath taken away: as it hath pleased the Lord so is it done: blessed be the name of the Lord.</em> (Job 1:20–21)</p>
<p>But why let a few little &#8216;facts&#8217; get in the way of another chance to heap condescending derision on believers?</p>
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		<title>By: abcdefg</title>
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		<dc:creator>abcdefg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:42:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Good!! Praise God!!!!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

You ought to be praising Don instead if you wish to get the attribution correct. (Don = 돈)

I was watching a news segment recently about the people whose homes were destroyed by Hurricane Katrina. The segment was particularly about 1 guy who's been going around helping people restore their houses so that they can live in them again. He's the guy footing in the man-power, hammering away at walls, bringing in the planks and nails, etc. volunteering his time and money for free. During the clip, one lady attributes the fortune of being able to return to her home to God... while standing right next to the person who rebuilt her home. The interviewer had to nudge the lady to expand her praise to include the guy who rebuilt her home. 

Of course, consistent Christians would be praising God for Katrina too. And in the case of the missionary hostages, perhaps you ought to praise God for the executions that took place. I'm pretty sure the missionaries feel exactly that way - or will, but only once they return to Korea, if they ever do. If you see a problem with this logic, then congratz. 

About the subject at hand, I've read somewhere that there is such a thing as caucasians who are homeless in Seoul. I'm not sure if they really exist, but, erm, how interesting if they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Good!! Praise God!!!!</p></blockquote>
<p>You ought to be praising Don instead if you wish to get the attribution correct. (Don = 돈)</p>
<p>I was watching a news segment recently about the people whose homes were destroyed by Hurricane Katrina. The segment was particularly about 1 guy who&#8217;s been going around helping people restore their houses so that they can live in them again. He&#8217;s the guy footing in the man-power, hammering away at walls, bringing in the planks and nails, etc. volunteering his time and money for free. During the clip, one lady attributes the fortune of being able to return to her home to God&#8230; while standing right next to the person who rebuilt her home. The interviewer had to nudge the lady to expand her praise to include the guy who rebuilt her home. </p>
<p>Of course, consistent Christians would be praising God for Katrina too. And in the case of the missionary hostages, perhaps you ought to praise God for the executions that took place. I&#8217;m pretty sure the missionaries feel exactly that way - or will, but only once they return to Korea, if they ever do. If you see a problem with this logic, then congratz. </p>
<p>About the subject at hand, I&#8217;ve read somewhere that there is such a thing as caucasians who are homeless in Seoul. I&#8217;m not sure if they really exist, but, erm, how interesting if they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Durbin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Durbin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 19:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pony tails do not sound like Moon's organization but the "fundraising drive to build a Bridge of Peace from Asia to Alaska" is very likely a Moon operation. Though he wasn't the first, Moon came up with that bridge/tunnel plan to make his followers see him as a visionary and give the press something to laugh about as Moon and his family traveled around the world promoting his last stand, the culmination of his life's planning, the Universal Peace Federation. The UPF was created when the UN would not follow his proposal - presented by the Philippines - to add a superior theocratic body to the UN structure. Moon has said for decades that he intends to change the UN and he is working to do just that, while the press laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pony tails do not sound like Moon&#8217;s organization but the &#8220;fundraising drive to build a Bridge of Peace from Asia to Alaska&#8221; is very likely a Moon operation. Though he wasn&#8217;t the first, Moon came up with that bridge/tunnel plan to make his followers see him as a visionary and give the press something to laugh about as Moon and his family traveled around the world promoting his last stand, the culmination of his life&#8217;s planning, the Universal Peace Federation. The UPF was created when the UN would not follow his proposal - presented by the Philippines - to add a superior theocratic body to the UN structure. Moon has said for decades that he intends to change the UN and he is working to do just that, while the press laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: sewing</title>
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		<dc:creator>sewing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 17:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't know about these guys...I don't live there, and haven't seen them.

The most interesting panhandler I've ever seen was a caucasian Buddhist monk (with red garb...Tibetan Buddhist?) who stood for years on one particular street corner in downtown Vancouver, with a wooden bowl in hand.  Just stood there stoically, and never said a word.  Then just like that, he was gone, never to reappear.  My best, most optimistic guess is that he was raising plane fare to fly to...where?  India?  Nepal?  Bhutan?  China!?...and live out the rest of his life in a monastery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t know about these guys&#8230;I don&#8217;t live there, and haven&#8217;t seen them.</p>
<p>The most interesting panhandler I&#8217;ve ever seen was a caucasian Buddhist monk (with red garb&#8230;Tibetan Buddhist?) who stood for years on one particular street corner in downtown Vancouver, with a wooden bowl in hand.  Just stood there stoically, and never said a word.  Then just like that, he was gone, never to reappear.  My best, most optimistic guess is that he was raising plane fare to fly to&#8230;where?  India?  Nepal?  Bhutan?  China!?&#8230;and live out the rest of his life in a monastery.</p>
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		<title>By: JK</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 14:32:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear blog editors.

I can't comment on certain threads....like the one about the hostages possibly being released.  Can you fix this please?

As for the hostages, let me be the FIRST one on this blog to have a completely positive thing to say about their upcoming release:  

Good!!  Praise God!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear blog editors.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t comment on certain threads&#8230;.like the one about the hostages possibly being released.  Can you fix this please?</p>
<p>As for the hostages, let me be the FIRST one on this blog to have a completely positive thing to say about their upcoming release:  </p>
<p>Good!!  Praise God!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: whitey</title>
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		<dc:creator>whitey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:48:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see these guys in the early evening at City Hall station.  I don't like the looks of them and so steer clear.  They don't seem to bother whiteys, just young Koreans.  

I don't like the looks of them.  

I don't think they are Canadians because they are not wearing dorky-looking big backpacks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see these guys in the early evening at City Hall station.  I don&#8217;t like the looks of them and so steer clear.  They don&#8217;t seem to bother whiteys, just young Koreans.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t like the looks of them.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think they are Canadians because they are not wearing dorky-looking big backpacks.</p>
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		<title>By: mcnut</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 12:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>and the number one reason you dont give money to people begging because most are full of crap!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and the number one reason you dont give money to people begging because most are full of crap!</p>
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