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	<title>Comments on: Reasonable Take on the Lone Star Saga</title>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/27/reasonable-take-on-the-lone-star-saga/#comment-103112</link>
		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>yeah, it was a little different, eh, national security, wot, wot?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yeah, it was a little different, eh, national security, wot, wot?</p>
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		<title>By: congee</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/27/reasonable-take-on-the-lone-star-saga/#comment-103110</link>
		<dc:creator>congee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Aug 2007 00:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does anyone remember the ruckus in the US last year over the P&#38;O and Dubai Ports World deal?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does anyone remember the ruckus in the US last year over the P&amp;O and Dubai Ports World deal?</p>
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		<title>By: TomCoyner</title>
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		<dc:creator>TomCoyner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 13:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, the problem with this analysis is, as reasonable as it may be, such reason seems to have been largely ignored by the political forces working on the FSS.  National populism appears to being gradually fanned to a determined crescendo come this December's presidential elections.  

I'm making this statement from purely circumstantial observations.  But I think my hunch could be on target.

In other words, I would be very surprised if this is resolved within this calendar year -- the political factor is too important to allow it to be quietly resolved, so long as it has the potential to serve as a fulcrum just prior to election day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, the problem with this analysis is, as reasonable as it may be, such reason seems to have been largely ignored by the political forces working on the FSS.  National populism appears to being gradually fanned to a determined crescendo come this December&#8217;s presidential elections.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m making this statement from purely circumstantial observations.  But I think my hunch could be on target.</p>
<p>In other words, I would be very surprised if this is resolved within this calendar year &#8212; the political factor is too important to allow it to be quietly resolved, so long as it has the potential to serve as a fulcrum just prior to election day.</p>
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		<title>By: gbevers</title>
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		<dc:creator>gbevers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wedge,

You are right about that Chosun article.  The writer is shamelessly trying to feed all the ridiculous fears and stereotypes that many Koreans have about foreign companies in Korea. It is disgusting, yet I think the article is a much better example of the stereotypical view Koreans have of Lone Star and similar foreign companies in Korea than the one that Robert has posted. 

The Chosun writer seems to be saying, "How dare a foreign company stand up for their rights! The company should quietly take it up the butt and gratefully to the people giving it the shaft."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wedge,</p>
<p>You are right about that Chosun article.  The writer is shamelessly trying to feed all the ridiculous fears and stereotypes that many Koreans have about foreign companies in Korea. It is disgusting, yet I think the article is a much better example of the stereotypical view Koreans have of Lone Star and similar foreign companies in Korea than the one that Robert has posted. </p>
<p>The Chosun writer seems to be saying, &#8220;How dare a foreign company stand up for their rights! The company should quietly take it up the butt and gratefully to the people giving it the shaft.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Wedge</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/27/reasonable-take-on-the-lone-star-saga/#comment-103076</link>
		<dc:creator>Wedge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 09:33:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The above article certainly beats this one done up by Chosun editorial writer Hee-young Song, with numerous falsehoods and a very childish tone:

http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2007/08/24/2007082400965.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above article certainly beats this one done up by Chosun editorial writer Hee-young Song, with numerous falsehoods and a very childish tone:</p>
<p><a href="http://news.chosun.com/site/data/html_dir/2007/08/24/2007082400965.html" rel="nofollow">http://news.chosun.com/site/da.....00965.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MigukNamja</title>
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		<dc:creator>MigukNamja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:18:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: Sperwer #3:

From the translation of the article itself:

&lt;i&gt;If they approve the sale, they risk being accused by the press, by anti-foreign investor NGOs and some lawmakers of “selling the nation.”&lt;/i&gt;

a.k.a. - "treason"

Many Koreans have at worst a fixed-pie way of viewing things : if a foreigner (one of "them") makes money, that means the Korean(s) "us" had to &lt;b&gt;lose&lt;/b&gt; money or at least lose out on making all of the money.

Many other Koreans have only a marginally better. They have a 1-sided view when it comes to trade : it's OK for foreigners to "invest" in Korea...they just have to keep all of their investment in 우리나라. Hence, the free flow of capital only applies in one direction : in.

However, I'm hoping one day, the clear majority of Koreans will agree that a bigger pie for Korea is a bigger pie for Korea, whether the foreigner made their slice of the pie bigger in the process or not. In other words : it doesn't matter nearly as much if your business partner profited or not as much as if you profited or not.

From what I understand, KEB very quite well under the guidance of Lone Star. Had Lone Star run the company into the ground (or at least driven down the value), defrauded the Koreans, and then pulled out, it would be completely different. However, none of that happened. KEB is much better off after Lone Star than before !

So, the complaining that Lone Star *gasp* "took more money out of Korea than it brought in !" reeks of nationalistic persecution of foreign investors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: Sperwer #3:</p>
<p>From the translation of the article itself:</p>
<p><i>If they approve the sale, they risk being accused by the press, by anti-foreign investor NGOs and some lawmakers of “selling the nation.”</i></p>
<p>a.k.a. - &#8220;treason&#8221;</p>
<p>Many Koreans have at worst a fixed-pie way of viewing things : if a foreigner (one of &#8220;them&#8221;) makes money, that means the Korean(s) &#8220;us&#8221; had to <b>lose</b> money or at least lose out on making all of the money.</p>
<p>Many other Koreans have only a marginally better. They have a 1-sided view when it comes to trade : it&#8217;s OK for foreigners to &#8220;invest&#8221; in Korea&#8230;they just have to keep all of their investment in 우리나라. Hence, the free flow of capital only applies in one direction : in.</p>
<p>However, I&#8217;m hoping one day, the clear majority of Koreans will agree that a bigger pie for Korea is a bigger pie for Korea, whether the foreigner made their slice of the pie bigger in the process or not. In other words : it doesn&#8217;t matter nearly as much if your business partner profited or not as much as if you profited or not.</p>
<p>From what I understand, KEB very quite well under the guidance of Lone Star. Had Lone Star run the company into the ground (or at least driven down the value), defrauded the Koreans, and then pulled out, it would be completely different. However, none of that happened. KEB is much better off after Lone Star than before !</p>
<p>So, the complaining that Lone Star *gasp* &#8220;took more money out of Korea than it brought in !&#8221; reeks of nationalistic persecution of foreign investors.</p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 04:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Smoke and mirrors.  The issue is, on whose behalf and to what end?

This article begs the question "If the matter is as easy as the writer suggests, then why have both KB and DBS failed to be consummated?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Smoke and mirrors.  The issue is, on whose behalf and to what end?</p>
<p>This article begs the question &#8220;If the matter is as easy as the writer suggests, then why have both KB and DBS failed to be consummated?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ut videam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ut videam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:52:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a minor usage quibble... the headline should read,

&lt;strong&gt;Reasonable Take &lt;em&gt;on&lt;/em&gt; the Lone Star Saga&lt;/strong&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a minor usage quibble&#8230; the headline should read,</p>
<p><strong>Reasonable Take <em>on</em> the Lone Star Saga</strong></p>
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		<title>By: austin</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/27/reasonable-take-on-the-lone-star-saga/#comment-103055</link>
		<dc:creator>austin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:32:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All these discussions about foreigner this, foreigner that, are really irrelevant.
Some time ago I was lambasted by someone here as racist as I commented that the average foreigner is a better Korean resident than the average Korean (just my opinion from observing behaviour).
The issue for Korea is the quality and ethics of management of companies. What is more desirable? A company in Korea run by crooks (but Korean crooks), or same company run by non Koreans who have higher standards.
The same applies to individuals. The issue should be, are foreigners making a positive contribution to Korea?
The anti foreigner line is pursued by those who fail to see the big picture.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All these discussions about foreigner this, foreigner that, are really irrelevant.<br />
Some time ago I was lambasted by someone here as racist as I commented that the average foreigner is a better Korean resident than the average Korean (just my opinion from observing behaviour).<br />
The issue for Korea is the quality and ethics of management of companies. What is more desirable? A company in Korea run by crooks (but Korean crooks), or same company run by non Koreans who have higher standards.<br />
The same applies to individuals. The issue should be, are foreigners making a positive contribution to Korea?<br />
The anti foreigner line is pursued by those who fail to see the big picture.</p>
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