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	<title>Comments on: Marmot’s Open Thread #17</title>
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		<title>By: tz247</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/25/marmot%e2%80%99s-open-thread-17/comment-page-1/#comment-103094</link>
		<dc:creator>tz247</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They changed the F2 visa requirements a couple of years ago (Sept 2005) so that you no longer had to obtain an additional E2 visa to work. Now you can pretty much work where ever you want whenever you want. You don't even have to sign a contract if you don't want to, although with some places, especially hagwons, you may want to just to protect yourself if there are any disputes. Essentially, with an F2 visa you have all the rights of a Korean. If you live here for more than 2 years, you can now apply for F5 visa which, after 3 years of residency, according to the documentation I found out the Immigration website, allows you to even vote for government officials.

For way more information than I can type here, go to http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html
Along the top, click on "information" and then "publications" and then download the PDF document "Guidebook for  Foreign Spouses of Korean Nationals". The English portion of the guide starts on page 61. Information on the F5 visa can be found on page 75 of the guide.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They changed the F2 visa requirements a couple of years ago (Sept 2005) so that you no longer had to obtain an additional E2 visa to work. Now you can pretty much work where ever you want whenever you want. You don&#8217;t even have to sign a contract if you don&#8217;t want to, although with some places, especially hagwons, you may want to just to protect yourself if there are any disputes. Essentially, with an F2 visa you have all the rights of a Korean. If you live here for more than 2 years, you can now apply for F5 visa which, after 3 years of residency, according to the documentation I found out the Immigration website, allows you to even vote for government officials.</p>
<p>For way more information than I can type here, go to <a href="http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.immigration.go.kr/indeximmeng.html</a><br />
Along the top, click on &#8220;information&#8221; and then &#8220;publications&#8221; and then download the PDF document &#8220;Guidebook for  Foreign Spouses of Korean Nationals&#8221;. The English portion of the guide starts on page 61. Information on the F5 visa can be found on page 75 of the guide.</p>
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		<title>By: Hugh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 06:26:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be a full lunar eclipse visible in the Seoul area Tuesday night.  Meaning, if it is not cloudy, you can see the moon turn blood red for a while.  Convince your friends you have demonic powers! 

Binoculars pic of last lunar eclipse as seen from Seoul, 2004:
https://www.space.com/imageoftheday/image_of_day_040511.html

The eclipse will actually begin before Moonrise in the Seoul area.

Moonrise:  7:05 pm Seoul time - eclipse approaching peak
7:22 pm :  peak of lunar eclipse
9:36 pm : end of lunar eclipse.

Binoculars are recommended if you have 'em.  Let's hope for a cloudless sky...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be a full lunar eclipse visible in the Seoul area Tuesday night.  Meaning, if it is not cloudy, you can see the moon turn blood red for a while.  Convince your friends you have demonic powers! </p>
<p>Binoculars pic of last lunar eclipse as seen from Seoul, 2004:<br />
<a href="https://www.space.com/imageoftheday/image_of_day_040511.html" rel="nofollow">https://www.space.com/imageoftheday/image_of_day_040511.html</a></p>
<p>The eclipse will actually begin before Moonrise in the Seoul area.</p>
<p>Moonrise:  7:05 pm Seoul time - eclipse approaching peak<br />
7:22 pm :  peak of lunar eclipse<br />
9:36 pm : end of lunar eclipse.</p>
<p>Binoculars are recommended if you have &#8216;em.  Let&#8217;s hope for a cloudless sky&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/25/marmot%e2%80%99s-open-thread-17/comment-page-1/#comment-103059</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 03:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Otherwise, you still have to leave the country to obtain a new E visa.&lt;/blockquote&gt;I am a living testimony to the contrary -- albeit with help from lawyers. But still, it *is* possible...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Otherwise, you still have to leave the country to obtain a new E visa.</p></blockquote>
<p>I am a living testimony to the contrary &#8212; albeit with help from lawyers. But still, it *is* possible&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: kafka2k</title>
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		<dc:creator>kafka2k</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Aug 2007 02:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I think that you can just renew an E-2 when you change jobs nowadays."

This is only true if you work for a city or federal government, such as public school or City Hall.  Otherwise, you still have to leave the country to obtain a new E visa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think that you can just renew an E-2 when you change jobs nowadays.&#8221;</p>
<p>This is only true if you work for a city or federal government, such as public school or City Hall.  Otherwise, you still have to leave the country to obtain a new E visa.</p>
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		<title>By: soondae</title>
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		<dc:creator>soondae</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 12:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also appreciate the information regarding the F 2 visa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also appreciate the information regarding the F 2 visa.</p>
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		<title>By: tbonetylr</title>
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		<dc:creator>tbonetylr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 08:50:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't care if sport athletes are targeted by police in criminal activities (whether that's what happened or not), especially football ones who have ties with Georgia. 

Vick memorables used in creative ways...

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=20070824/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_chewed_cards&#38;prov=ap&#38;type=lgns 

I wonder if Vick (Virgina Tech. grad.) is a swell fella of Herschel Walkers (University of Georgia grad)?

Herschel Walker once lived across from me in an apartment (Irving TX). I shouldn't say lived because the place was really used his love shack. He once brought his child/baby there with his lover (he is/was a married man at the time) and I took a picture of him. He saw the flash through the window and he started beating on my door. He then called the police as he had friends working at the cop shop.

I called my buddies and he started in on us from my 1st lever porch. He challenged the 3 of us to go to his health club and fight.

I wrote the TV show 'Pardon the Interruption' on ESPN (they didn't respond), but Herschel Walker moved soon after. I'm sure ESPN tipped him of my writing. I think my writing went something like... How can Herschel Walker claim he is a holy man (I think he speaks/spoke/preaches/preached at a Baptist church) while frolicking with a gal (white with fake tits) while married?

Herschel Walker has/had a 'W' shaped house living next to none other than Dr. Phil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t care if sport athletes are targeted by police in criminal activities (whether that&#8217;s what happened or not), especially football ones who have ties with Georgia. </p>
<p>Vick memorables used in creative ways&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=20070824/ap_on_sp_fo_ne/fbn_vick_chewed_cards&amp;prov=ap&amp;type=lgns" rel="nofollow">http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/ne.....;type=lgns</a> </p>
<p>I wonder if Vick (Virgina Tech. grad.) is a swell fella of Herschel Walkers (University of Georgia grad)?</p>
<p>Herschel Walker once lived across from me in an apartment (Irving TX). I shouldn&#8217;t say lived because the place was really used his love shack. He once brought his child/baby there with his lover (he is/was a married man at the time) and I took a picture of him. He saw the flash through the window and he started beating on my door. He then called the police as he had friends working at the cop shop.</p>
<p>I called my buddies and he started in on us from my 1st lever porch. He challenged the 3 of us to go to his health club and fight.</p>
<p>I wrote the TV show &#8216;Pardon the Interruption&#8217; on ESPN (they didn&#8217;t respond), but Herschel Walker moved soon after. I&#8217;m sure ESPN tipped him of my writing. I think my writing went something like&#8230; How can Herschel Walker claim he is a holy man (I think he speaks/spoke/preaches/preached at a Baptist church) while frolicking with a gal (white with fake tits) while married?</p>
<p>Herschel Walker has/had a &#8216;W&#8217; shaped house living next to none other than Dr. Phil.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/25/marmot%e2%80%99s-open-thread-17/comment-page-1/#comment-103007</link>
		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is something for people who've lost their job -- my wife used it once, but it was limited in time, like three months or so, and she didn't get much money [it was based on the official salary, which, in many Korean SMEs is way smaller than the real one, so that everybody pays less tax]. Besides, my wife was running stir crazy after a month anyway :)

Here's &lt;a href="http://www.labor.or.kr/wwwboard/wnkg/emp-6.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;more information on 실업수당&lt;/a&gt;:

(1)구직급여의 수준: 실직전 급여기초임금일액의 50%를 지급하며 여기서 급여기초임금일액이란 이직일을 기준으로 산정한 평균임금을 의미합니다. 즉 평균임금의 50%를 지급하며 급여기초임금일액의 최고·최저기준을 정해놓고 1일평균임금이 7만원이상이면 7만원(따라서 구직급여 최고액은 1일 35,000원임)으로 실업자의 임금이 최저임금에 미달하면 최저임금을 적용합니다.

(2)지급기간: 피보험기간 및 이직시의 연령에 따라 60일∼210일간 지급합니다. 피보험기간 1년이상∼ 3년이상∼ 5년이상∼ 10년이상
연령 3년미만 5년미만 10년미만
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25세미만 60일 60일 90일 120일
25세∼30세 60일 90일 120일 150일
30세∼50세 90일 120일 150일 180일
50세이상 및 120일 150일 180일 210일

So at best you get 50% of your former salary for 7 months... Not much indeed.

The severance pay is not intended to cover for job loss, rather it's one of the two retirement pension schemes, along with the National Pension Fund, which many foreigners -- many at least in number of nationalities -- are not eligible to. For instance, people from countries that pay a salary-like amount every month until the recipient dies, and sometimes half that amount to the spouse after the recipient's death [that'd be my parents' case], which is quite more generous than Korea's scheme, are not eligible. So all the money I contributed 172,000 krw every month for many years, is lost... When I compare this with HK, I realize Korea has still a long way to go...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is something for people who&#8217;ve lost their job &#8212; my wife used it once, but it was limited in time, like three months or so, and she didn&#8217;t get much money [it was based on the official salary, which, in many Korean SMEs is way smaller than the real one, so that everybody pays less tax]. Besides, my wife was running stir crazy after a month anyway <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.labor.or.kr/wwwboard/wnkg/emp-6.html" rel="nofollow">more information on 실업수당</a>:</p>
<p>(1)구직급여의 수준: 실직전 급여기초임금일액의 50%를 지급하며 여기서 급여기초임금일액이란 이직일을 기준으로 산정한 평균임금을 의미합니다. 즉 평균임금의 50%를 지급하며 급여기초임금일액의 최고·최저기준을 정해놓고 1일평균임금이 7만원이상이면 7만원(따라서 구직급여 최고액은 1일 35,000원임)으로 실업자의 임금이 최저임금에 미달하면 최저임금을 적용합니다.</p>
<p>(2)지급기간: 피보험기간 및 이직시의 연령에 따라 60일∼210일간 지급합니다. 피보험기간 1년이상∼ 3년이상∼ 5년이상∼ 10년이상<br />
연령 3년미만 5년미만 10년미만<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
25세미만 60일 60일 90일 120일<br />
25세∼30세 60일 90일 120일 150일<br />
30세∼50세 90일 120일 150일 180일<br />
50세이상 및 120일 150일 180일 210일</p>
<p>So at best you get 50% of your former salary for 7 months&#8230; Not much indeed.</p>
<p>The severance pay is not intended to cover for job loss, rather it&#8217;s one of the two retirement pension schemes, along with the National Pension Fund, which many foreigners &#8212; many at least in number of nationalities &#8212; are not eligible to. For instance, people from countries that pay a salary-like amount every month until the recipient dies, and sometimes half that amount to the spouse after the recipient&#8217;s death [that'd be my parents' case], which is quite more generous than Korea&#8217;s scheme, are not eligible. So all the money I contributed 172,000 krw every month for many years, is lost&#8230; When I compare this with HK, I realize Korea has still a long way to go&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zonath</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zonath</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 06:21:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Such as the Korean welfare system is, it’s certainly better than some other third world countries. Are there unemployment benefits here?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not that I've ever heard of -- and certainly not for foreigners...  That's pretty much what the severance pay system is supposed to take care of, despite being a piss-poor substitute with far too many loopholes.  But hey, at least taxes are hella low.  I've also never heard of any actual welfare system in South Korea -- does one really exist? I'm not entirely sure that there &lt;i&gt;is&lt;/i&gt; a system to leech off of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Such as the Korean welfare system is, it’s certainly better than some other third world countries. Are there unemployment benefits here?</p></blockquote>
<p>Not that I&#8217;ve ever heard of &#8212; and certainly not for foreigners&#8230;  That&#8217;s pretty much what the severance pay system is supposed to take care of, despite being a piss-poor substitute with far too many loopholes.  But hey, at least taxes are hella low.  I&#8217;ve also never heard of any actual welfare system in South Korea &#8212; does one really exist? I&#8217;m not entirely sure that there <i>is</i> a system to leech off of.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
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		<dc:creator>dda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#22&lt;blockquote&gt;I guess we’d have to ask some real mafia folk. Can any of the Italian-American mobsters on this blog clear that up?&lt;/blockquote&gt;And tell us what happened to Jimmy Hoffa -- Senior, 'cuz we know &lt;a href="http://www.teamsters.org/" rel="nofollow"&gt;where Junior is&lt;/a&gt;. :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#22<br />
<blockquote>I guess we’d have to ask some real mafia folk. Can any of the Italian-American mobsters on this blog clear that up?</p></blockquote>
<p>And tell us what happened to Jimmy Hoffa &#8212; Senior, &#8216;cuz we know <a href="http://www.teamsters.org/" rel="nofollow">where Junior is</a>. <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Maddlew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Maddlew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Aug 2007 05:12:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow! Thanks everyone. It sounds like despite the personal varying gradients of difficulty, it is in fact worth while. I will get it one way or another. I just wasn't aware of the benefits. Sounds worthwhile. 
Muchisimas gracias!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow! Thanks everyone. It sounds like despite the personal varying gradients of difficulty, it is in fact worth while. I will get it one way or another. I just wasn&#8217;t aware of the benefits. Sounds worthwhile.<br />
Muchisimas gracias!</p>
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