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		<title>By: Baek du boy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-102021</link>
		<dc:creator>Baek du boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:11:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YoungRocco2,

Source is AMAK - Asset Management Association of Korea/자산운용협회</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YoungRocco2,</p>
<p>Source is AMAK - Asset Management Association of Korea/자산운용협회</p>
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		<title>By: Baek du boy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-102020</link>
		<dc:creator>Baek du boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YoungRocco2,

Source is AMAK - Asset Management Association of Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YoungRocco2,</p>
<p>Source is AMAK - Asset Management Association of Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: Baek du boy</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-102019</link>
		<dc:creator>Baek du boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Aug 2007 23:08:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YoungRocco2,

Source is AMAK - Asset Management Association of Korea.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YoungRocco2,</p>
<p>Source is AMAK - Asset Management Association of Korea.</p>
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		<title>By: YoungRocco2</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-101611</link>
		<dc:creator>YoungRocco2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:27:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, Baekdu, where did you get your figures?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, Baekdu, where did you get your figures?</p>
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		<title>By: YoungRocco2</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-101610</link>
		<dc:creator>YoungRocco2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Aug 2007 04:13:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Austin, you've contradicted yourself. 

First, you claimed that Koreans want to avoid taking responsibility for the financial system here in Korea. In essence, you claimed that foreigners have little to do with financial issues in Korea. However, you then turnaround  and claim that excess liquidity in Korea is caused by the Yen Carry trade, in essence, pinning the problem of liquidity on low interest rates set by Japan's central bank. You went from blaming the Bank of Korea to blaming the Bank of Japan in one post. You're obviously confused. 

In your newest litany of nonsense, you've also claimed that Korea has too much American currency. Austin, Austin, Austin, you still don't get it do you? Korea most certainly needs American currency if it is to avoid a run on its currency by speculators. Korea also needs to stockpile this currency in case of a stampede toward lower risk assets. i.e. dollar denominated treauries. Last, but not least, because the Yen and Yuan are so cheap, U.S. currency is needed to maintain export price competitiveness. Again, this is all econ 101, but of course, I wouldn't expect you to understand. 

Empty apartments, Austin? That's the whole point! That's the reason the Government is trying to tamper down speculation. The government knows that housing prices are not indicative of demand for living space, but are driven by speculation. This is exactly why the government is raising interest rates. 

There are a variety of other problems in your post, Austin:

1.  You've fantasized a conspiracy between the Chaebol and the Bank of Korea to provide liquidity in the market, but then you attribute excess liquidity to the Bank of Japan. 

2. You confuse the Bank of Korea with secondary Banks. (Secondary banks owned by the Chaebol, not the Bank of Korea, are commonly cited as responsible for excessive loans to cheabols and the collosal amount of debt owed by the Chaebol at the end of the 1997 Asian meltdown.) 

3. You confuse a flat home market with a collapse of the housing market. 

4. You claim that high interest rates do not effect the money supply. (Everyone knows that interest rates and the money supply are inversely related, Austin. Well, everyone except you) 

5. You claim that market in Korea will "collapse" in two years, even though Korea recently achieved record exports. (With an overvalued currency to boot!)  

6. You've changed your argument from, "Korea hasn't learned anything from 1997 and blames foreigners too much" to "The Korean economy will collapse in two years!" Austin, stick to your thesis. You can't change it all willy-nilly.

Austin, you don't know squat about market principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Austin, you&#8217;ve contradicted yourself. </p>
<p>First, you claimed that Koreans want to avoid taking responsibility for the financial system here in Korea. In essence, you claimed that foreigners have little to do with financial issues in Korea. However, you then turnaround  and claim that excess liquidity in Korea is caused by the Yen Carry trade, in essence, pinning the problem of liquidity on low interest rates set by Japan&#8217;s central bank. You went from blaming the Bank of Korea to blaming the Bank of Japan in one post. You&#8217;re obviously confused. </p>
<p>In your newest litany of nonsense, you&#8217;ve also claimed that Korea has too much American currency. Austin, Austin, Austin, you still don&#8217;t get it do you? Korea most certainly needs American currency if it is to avoid a run on its currency by speculators. Korea also needs to stockpile this currency in case of a stampede toward lower risk assets. i.e. dollar denominated treauries. Last, but not least, because the Yen and Yuan are so cheap, U.S. currency is needed to maintain export price competitiveness. Again, this is all econ 101, but of course, I wouldn&#8217;t expect you to understand. </p>
<p>Empty apartments, Austin? That&#8217;s the whole point! That&#8217;s the reason the Government is trying to tamper down speculation. The government knows that housing prices are not indicative of demand for living space, but are driven by speculation. This is exactly why the government is raising interest rates. </p>
<p>There are a variety of other problems in your post, Austin:</p>
<p>1.  You&#8217;ve fantasized a conspiracy between the Chaebol and the Bank of Korea to provide liquidity in the market, but then you attribute excess liquidity to the Bank of Japan. </p>
<p>2. You confuse the Bank of Korea with secondary Banks. (Secondary banks owned by the Chaebol, not the Bank of Korea, are commonly cited as responsible for excessive loans to cheabols and the collosal amount of debt owed by the Chaebol at the end of the 1997 Asian meltdown.) </p>
<p>3. You confuse a flat home market with a collapse of the housing market. </p>
<p>4. You claim that high interest rates do not effect the money supply. (Everyone knows that interest rates and the money supply are inversely related, Austin. Well, everyone except you) </p>
<p>5. You claim that market in Korea will &#8220;collapse&#8221; in two years, even though Korea recently achieved record exports. (With an overvalued currency to boot!)  </p>
<p>6. You&#8217;ve changed your argument from, &#8220;Korea hasn&#8217;t learned anything from 1997 and blames foreigners too much&#8221; to &#8220;The Korean economy will collapse in two years!&#8221; Austin, stick to your thesis. You can&#8217;t change it all willy-nilly.</p>
<p>Austin, you don&#8217;t know squat about market principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Hatch SZ</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think in this instance, dumping just means getting rid of a lot in a short period of time, rather than the import/export definition of selling below cost.</description>
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		<title>By: Linkd</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-101371</link>
		<dc:creator>Linkd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Korea had a $16b trade surplus last year, that's the difference between exports and imports. The exports earned dollars, the dollars were brought back here and exchanged for won. That's an increase in won liquidity. Extra liquidity causes inflation, no debate about that. The liquidity can be sterilized by the government buying up the won through issuance of bonds, but bonds have to pay interest, so there's a limit to how much the government is willing to sterilize. Hence the loosened regulations allowing Koreans to invest more money overseas (including buying real estate). It gets the government off the hook to sterilize all the dollars. There's no story here, this has been going on all over Asia for years.

The world's stock markets had a bad few days last week, all on account of US sub-primes. Korea was included. There's no story here, either.

America invests money on behalf of the whole world. Public funds, private funds, governments and individuals give money to Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Vanguard and others to invest on their behalf. Saying that the US was the big seller is misleading, to be sure, but that's the Korean media as usual, no story here.

Korean household debt is at an all-time high, almost 40mil won per household. Biggest growth has come from people taking mortgages to invest in real estate. Real estate hasn't collapsed, but it has leveled off (see the link in the previoius thread about the "pyung"). The BOK wants that trend to stop, so it raised rates to slow down household borrowing, mindful of the 2002-2003 credit card debacle. But the BOK is "run by idiots", and this move is of course too little too late. The world's financial markets have got much bigger problems to work through now than the mortgage gluttony of Korea's amateur property speculators. No story here, either.

August being a slow news time, let's blame America for something. Now THAT's a story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Korea had a $16b trade surplus last year, that&#8217;s the difference between exports and imports. The exports earned dollars, the dollars were brought back here and exchanged for won. That&#8217;s an increase in won liquidity. Extra liquidity causes inflation, no debate about that. The liquidity can be sterilized by the government buying up the won through issuance of bonds, but bonds have to pay interest, so there&#8217;s a limit to how much the government is willing to sterilize. Hence the loosened regulations allowing Koreans to invest more money overseas (including buying real estate). It gets the government off the hook to sterilize all the dollars. There&#8217;s no story here, this has been going on all over Asia for years.</p>
<p>The world&#8217;s stock markets had a bad few days last week, all on account of US sub-primes. Korea was included. There&#8217;s no story here, either.</p>
<p>America invests money on behalf of the whole world. Public funds, private funds, governments and individuals give money to Morgan Stanley, Goldman Sachs, Vanguard and others to invest on their behalf. Saying that the US was the big seller is misleading, to be sure, but that&#8217;s the Korean media as usual, no story here.</p>
<p>Korean household debt is at an all-time high, almost 40mil won per household. Biggest growth has come from people taking mortgages to invest in real estate. Real estate hasn&#8217;t collapsed, but it has leveled off (see the link in the previoius thread about the &#8220;pyung&#8221;). The BOK wants that trend to stop, so it raised rates to slow down household borrowing, mindful of the 2002-2003 credit card debacle. But the BOK is &#8220;run by idiots&#8221;, and this move is of course too little too late. The world&#8217;s financial markets have got much bigger problems to work through now than the mortgage gluttony of Korea&#8217;s amateur property speculators. No story here, either.</p>
<p>August being a slow news time, let&#8217;s blame America for something. Now THAT&#8217;s a story.</p>
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		<title>By: dda</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-101370</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 06:23:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’ll buy you a magnum of French champagne!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Champagne *is* French, no need to qualify that word :-)

Any bubbly wine made outside the French region of Champagne is just sparkling wine.</description>
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<p>Champagne *is* French, no need to qualify that word <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Any bubbly wine made outside the French region of Champagne is just sparkling wine.</p>
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		<title>By: Sperwer</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-101364</link>
		<dc:creator>Sperwer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The amount of money Koreans are investing overseas has skyrocketed in the past 6 months since capital gains tax was removed from onshore based internationally invested mutual funds. (however if you invest directly into an offshore fund you will pay the tax which has affected many international asset managers in Korea).&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ah, another eg of how Korea levels the playing field.  Hubba Hubba!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The amount of money Koreans are investing overseas has skyrocketed in the past 6 months since capital gains tax was removed from onshore based internationally invested mutual funds. (however if you invest directly into an offshore fund you will pay the tax which has affected many international asset managers in Korea).</p></blockquote>
<p>Ah, another eg of how Korea levels the playing field.  Hubba Hubba!</p>
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		<title>By: SomeguyinKorea</title>
		<link>http://www.rjkoehler.com/2007/08/13/spot-the-idiots/#comment-101363</link>
		<dc:creator>SomeguyinKorea</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Aug 2007 04:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"As the 1997 Asian Financial crisis demonstrated, a collapse in one market can trigger corresponding collapses in others. In 1997, the origin of the collapse was Southeast Asia, "

Silly you.  Don't you know that it was the evil-American-backed IMF that caused the financial crisis of '97? ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;As the 1997 Asian Financial crisis demonstrated, a collapse in one market can trigger corresponding collapses in others. In 1997, the origin of the collapse was Southeast Asia, &#8221;</p>
<p>Silly you.  Don&#8217;t you know that it was the evil-American-backed IMF that caused the financial crisis of &#8216;97? <img src='http://www.rjkoehler.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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